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Buick Verano

ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 1,540
edited December 2013 in Buick
Buick has announced the upcoming availability beginning in the 2012 model year of a new compact sedan, the Verano, available with a 2.4L DI 4-cylinder or a 2.0L turbocharged 4-cylinder.

2011 Buick Regal Turbo, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

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  • overbrookoverbrook Posts: 275
    I think people were pleasantly surprised by this model. It looks better than we expected it to and it should perform well with the 2.4L engine. Can't wait to sit in one.
  • Love the pics released this week! Sharp little car that should help Buick move forward. The $22K base price almost sounds too good to be true!
  • tx_gtotx_gto Posts: 1
    I drove a turbo Regal last weekend and was not impressed with the performance of that engine. Also the seats are short, with little support for your legs (kind of like sitting on the edge of a chair) I am 5'9", 150 pounds so am not a big guy. My wife noticed the same thing on the passenger side. I like the concept of a small upscale car and the Verano looks pretty good. I am assuming the turbo motor would move the lighter car with a bit more authority. I am not sure why that 2.0 L is limited to 220hp in the Buick. Didn't it produce 260hp in the Cobalt SS and Solstice GXP? I also drove a turbo Sonata and with +270hp it was much more nimble. BTW, I drove a Lacrosse V-6 and it was superb. It's just more car than I need.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,706
    Concerning the Cruze(I was checking for data on the upcoming Verano and noticed this)
    NOTE : The EPA database is wrong. It says 94+16. Which is still 110 and should be mid-size. Their site says quite plainly:

    Compact 100 to 109
    Mid-Size 110 to 119

    Actual data directly from GM:
    94.6 Cubic Ft. (interior)
    15.4 Cubic Ft. (trunk)
    (link)
    http://media.gm.com/content/media/us/en/news/news_detail.brand_gm.html/content/P- - ages/news/us/en/2010/Jun/0603_cruzepricing

    Officially it is exactly 110.0 according to GM. GM seems to be happy to market it as a compact, though. But it's not.

    Edmunds should at least change its data to reflect this error. Edmunds has enough clout in the industry so that if anyone questioned it, they would be forced to also change their data as well.

    ie - "how come Edmunds has it wrong?" Then they check the EPA data and GM's data and see that it's really mid-size according to the actual numbers.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,706
    I got feedback from Edmunds - they apparently correctly classify it as mid-size. Nice to know that people here check the data more carefully than other sites (apparently do ) :)

    It's likely that GM has a marketing reason to call it a compact car and is getting the EPA to look the other way.

    As for the Verano itself, it looks like you're trading a bit over a cubic foot of room inside for trunk space. The Regal is only 14.2 cubic ft, which is dangerously small. IMO, the Verano is poised to make the Regal completely useless. Virtually the same space inside, but costs less and is 400lbs lighter.

    Losing weight cannot be under-stated here. It affects literally everything and the lighter that a car is (within reason) the better everything works. Less stress on components as well. Better MPG. Better handling. Better acceleration. No need for a turbo.

    I can't wait for it to come out. I think it will be a game changer for GM.
  • Not really. Driving a Cruze is a compact experience. Add a sunroof (as some do) and lose 2 cubic feet of interior volume. Add a spare tire (as many do) and lose 1 cubic foot of interior volume.

    The Cruze is a big compact. The Nissan Sentra is rated at 110 cuft, the Hyundai Elantra is 112 cuft as is the Kia Forte: 112 cuft. None of these cars are marketed as mid-size sedans because they're not. The market class is compact, EPA numbers aside.

    The Verano can be a winner for Buick if they keep the base price at $22K. Good looking little compact. The slightly larger console will knock the Verano down to 109 cuft and that's before a sunroof and spare tire are added taking it to 105 cuft. Shoulder room, hip room and leg room put all these cars in the compact class.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,419
    The Cruze and Verano have unusually large trunks for their size. The Regal will hardly be rendered useless. First of all, a 14.2 cf trunk is a very reasonable size for a mid-size car. Up until recently, many in the class were often closer to 13 cf. Using your logic, the Regal should render the Lacrosse completely useless, as the Regal's trunk is bigger than the one in the Lacrosse.

    Not everyone is concerned with having a huge trunk. Some people would buy the Regal over the Verano for the added safety factor of more length and weight. There is probably a bit more elbow room in a Regal. They will handle differently. And the Regal will have more prestige, whatever that is worth. Others will prefer the style of the Regal over the Verano. It is still true that it is easier to add style and presence to a larger platform, other factors being equal (which they never are!).

    I suspect that the Verano will do well for Buick here (it is already an important model in China), but it is unlikely to be a game changer. Crossovers and trucks are still the sweet spot of the market. Small cars are a growing presence, but are still not selling like hotcakes. Given the anticipated rise in gas prices, the Verano projected mpg would have to be a whole lot better in order for people to flock to it for that reason. Compact sedans across the board are becoming progressively quieter and better equipped, because that is what people want, regardless of size. The Verano is a good effort for Buick, and is another part of rebuilding the brand here.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,576
    Got a call from my local dealer that they are in now. Will go give it a test drive within a couple of weeks. Hoping this will be the car on the other side of our garage by this time next year! :)

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • Let us know what you think Sandman. The Verano came in a bit pricer than I expected (leaving room for discounting). I'd love to try one out with the turbo next year.

    And yes, adding Verano to the drop-down menu would be a welcome addition.
  • We've already submitted a request for the Verano to be added to the drop-down options.

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  • dodgeman07dodgeman07 Posts: 573
    edited December 2011
    I took my new 2011 Lacrosse in to the local Buick dealer for her first oil change today.

    They had 2 new 2012 Veranos sitting unlocked on the lot. One was an SD1 (the base) with the only option being red crystal paint at $325 + $885 destination putting it right at $23,800 MSRP.

    A very nice car. Solid feeling doors and an interior fit for an Audi A4. It seems much more upscale than the Cruze. EPA numbers of 21 City / 32 Hwy / 25 Combined came in a touch better than anticipated. This trim has everything I would want. The sliding armrest a very good feature and the cloth/leatherette seats offered firm support. A lot here for the money with the 2.4L 4-cyl and 6-sp auto plus a 7 color touch radio with Intellilink, 18" alloys and fog lamps all standard.

    The SL1 (leather group) would be a tougher sell for me. It has $5,100 added to the sticker for a $28,900 MSRP. It had a sunroof, spoiler, red paint, and upgraded 18" alloys in addition to leather-heated seats, Bose Audio, leather-heated steering wheel and Passive Entry w/Push Button Start.

    I was most impressed with the SD1 and would love to drive one when the 2.0L Turbo is available next summer.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,896
    I would look for that SL1 to be around $26k-$27k street price when the turbos arrive. That may be the time to move on one if the normally aspirated version fits the bill.
  • dodgeman07dodgeman07 Posts: 573
    edited December 2011
    I agree a $26k price would be competitive on the loaded model. That might put the base SD1 around $21k - a great price for that car.

    I have the same engine in my '11 Lacrosse and am very happy with it. It makes plenty of power from 3,000 rpms on up and delivers decent mileage. I have averaged nearly 25mpg in mixed driving over the first 4 months. The turbo will be worth a look though.

    Before I bought my Lacrosse I drove several compact and midsize models. If the Verano had been available last summer, it would have been a "must drive".

    I almost bought a '12 Focus Hatchback. I really sharp car but a touch too "sports car like" for my middle-age bones. ;)
  • dodgeman07dodgeman07 Posts: 573
    edited December 2011
    .......I forgot.

    The Verano has a lot more curb appeal (to me) than the Cruze. It looks like a larger car too. I checked the dimensions and the Verano is nearly 3" longer and 1" wider than the Cruze.

    :D
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,419
    2.9" of extra length isn't really a significant difference, and neither is the 0.7" of extra width, but they did put it to good use in making the car look a bit more substantial than the Cruze.
  • 3" of length is quite a bit and very noticeable, particularly on a compact car.

    I was surprised at how much more "physical presence" the Verano has over the Cruze (and many other market-class compacts).

    My sister/brother-in-law recently bought a 2012 VW Jetta TDI and I was shocked at how much larger it looks than others in the class.

    The Verano is even bigger than their new Jetta. Except in price! ;)
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,419
    The Jetta is exactly the same length as my 2011 Volvo S60 (182"). The S60 has a longer wheelbase and is wider, so it looks bigger than similar sized cars like the Jetta and the Cruze. The Jetta adopted a bit of the Audi look, and that adds to its own in-the-metal presence. However, it is actually longer than the BMW 3 sedan and the Mercedes C Class sedan.

    I did say the Verano looks bigger than the others. It is just that 2.9" added to the nose can happen with a modest styling change, such as the 2010 Fusion over the 2009. A grill change or bumper change can easily swallow that much extra length. Styling can add or detract from perceived size. Who would initially think that a Chrysler 300 is shorter than Lincoln MKS? The Lincoln is a bigger car, but somehow more truncated looking.
  • Anyone purchased one? We are trying to see how much discount we can get on this car. We took it for a test drive and fell in love. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks.

    Jen :shades:
  • No.

    Waiting for lease info to be released and for the local dealership to get a few more in stock. Would like to check it out.
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