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  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 790
    What was Buick thinking with that name...Verano?

    The only thing I can think of when I see/hear that name is the godawful 2004-2006 Suzuki Verona (aka- Daewoo Leganza with a Suzuki emblem glued on the front and back)!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Maybe that explains why so many car companies use numbers for car names... hard to find good names these days. Like... what's an "elantra"? Or "sentra"?? At least "corolla" means something, but I wonder how many people could say what it means w/o looking it up? Civic... now that's a good name I think.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,733
    edited January 2011
    The issue I have is that some of the cars are being unfairly compared to much smaller vehicles as a result. The Ford and the GM aren't compacts any more and surprise - they tend to win handily against most of the smaller and often less well built vehicles in the same tests.

    At 3300 lbs, the Cruze is not compact in my book, or if it is, it's the biggest whale of a compact ever made. To me, weight is the main determiner. A compact car should be under 3000lbs as well. This is far more important than the actual size of the sheet metal that they add or subtract at the front and rear of the car. (you'll note that side by side, the Regal and Cruse have essentially identically sized center sections)

    P.S. And the Civic, even the smallest interior sedan with sunroof is just a little over 100 cubic ft combined trunk and interior, so it's legitimately a compact car. It's also between 600 and 700 lbs lighter than the Cruze.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    edited January 2011
    The Focus isn't a compact any more? You could have fooled me. By interior room, by size, by weight, the Focus that is for sale in the USA today sure seems like a compact car.

    Honda says the Civic EX has a curb weight of 2820 with the AT. The comparable-trim Cruze 2LT with AT weighs 3102 pounds according to Chevy. That's a difference of less than 300 pounds... not 600-700 pounds. And if you check the EPA site for 2011 Sub-Compact cars, you will find the Honda Civic there. But I'll bet most people don't consider the Civic to be a sub-compact, but a compact. Just as they would consider the Cruze and Focus to be compacts.

    I think you are making this WAY too complicated.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,733
    I was basing the comments on the Verano, which is a restyled Cruze.(figured the two where roughly similar) Apparently there is a 200lb difference.
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 790
    At 3300 lbs, the Cruze is not compact in my book, or if it is, it's the biggest whale of a compact ever made. To me, weight is the main determiner. A compact car should be under 3000lbs as well.

    Actually, the Cruze 2LT weighs in at 3,104lbs, but it's in good company-

    Mazda3 s Grand Touring 4-door AT- 3,098lbs
    Mitsubishi Lancer GTS CVT 4-door- 3,076lbs
    Volkswagen Jetta SEL 4-door AT- 3,109lbs
    2012 Ford Focus Titanium 4-door- 3,015lbs
    Subaru Impreza 2.5i 4-door AT - 3,119lbs (impressive considering the AWD hardware)

    For the purposes of this forum, discussing and comparing cars that most buyers will cross-shop with one or more 'true' compact models is reason enough to include them! Very few consumers disqualify models of similar size because of a few hundred pounds or a few cubic feet of interior space.
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 790
    Maybe that explains why so many car companies use numbers for car names... hard to find good names these days. Like... what's an "elantra"? Or "sentra"?? At least "corolla" means something, but I wonder how many people could say what it means w/o looking it up? Civic... now that's a good name I think.

    The alpha, numeric, and alpha/numeric designations are really becoming annoying; even more so if they replace a perfectly decent REAL name (as in a word, whether real or pulled out of a hat)!

    Honda has been the most consistent non-luxury brand with their names. CIVIC has worked perfectly for 38 years or so and the same is true of ACCORD for 34 years. Too bad they didn't use that wisdom with their co-workers at Acura! Tossing the 'LEGEND' and 'INTEGRA' names to the gutter was so stupid that even (old) GM execs wouldn't do it!!! From a personal perspective, I'm glad that the 1996 and subsequent RL models didn't wear the LEGEND name in North America. None of the cars have been worthy of it! But it seemed like an insane business decision considering the reputation and dedicated following that each model had earned in only 10 years! But now model names are the least of their worries...their new "corporate face" (aka- The Beak!) is the auto world's version of Joan Rivers....NEVER stare directly at it and walk away slowly....

    The absolute worst with the alpha model designations has to be Lincoln! Their underwhelming products don't help matters either. But who the hell knows the difference between a MKS, MKT, MKX and MKZ....WTF???

    I give Mazda some slack for their decision to use mono-numeral designations. At least they had a history of using numeric names (323, 626, 929). Apparently they got lazy and decided that the single digit would suffice!?! I have wondered if conventional, memorable names would have a positive impact on their slower sellling models...the Mazda2 and Mazda6, in particular. Mazda's use of the lower case "i" and "s" to designate sub-models/trim levels is an unforgivable sin, though! =
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Yeah, whoever came up with car names like "328ix" should be banned from the automotive world. Those kind of names obviously don't work in the long run. ;)
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    Using "i" and "s" is an unforgivable sin...really? Why would you care whether they use that or something like S, SE, LE ? :confuse:
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    I always wondered what "LE" meant. Limited Edition? Luxury Edition? Laughingstock Edition?? :confuse:
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 790
    Do I detect a hint of sarcasm??? =)

    BMW and Mercedes were using alpha-numerics decades before everyone started copying them! Besides, most BMW and MB owners refer to their car simply by the 'series' or 'class'- (3-series, E-class).
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 790
    Using "i" and "s" is an unforgivable sin...really? Why would you care whether they use that or something like S, SE, LE ?

    Because I always hate writing out the full model name of my car- Mazda3 s Touring 5-door and the lower-case 's' looks odd, when it could just as easily be 'S'. Automatic spelling checks always want to capitalize it also...i

    It's unforgivable because I'm OCD and it bugs me... =)
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    Mulitilink suspension . What a difference than a torson Beam. I think Vw is in troble matching this new Optima. :)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Optima is a mid-sized car, not a compact by any stretch of the imagination.
  • Is this the mid-size sedan comparison thread? :(

    So what's the best car in this group? Gotta be the 2012 Focus right? :P
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    If you say so. Hard to compare a car that isn't available to the public to all those that are, though.
  • I have a 2005 Ford Focus manual transmission. The reverse is no longer working i was having trouble with the other 5 gears but they are now working. But the reverse just will not go into gear it will pop over into 4th. please help :)
    thank you
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,824
    This is a comparisons discussion to talk about the advantages/disadvantages of a variety of compact sedans. Your post is more on-topic in the Focus Transmission Problems discussion - you're more likely to get responses there.

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  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    Alot of people are waiting for the Focus HB before buying a Fiesta.
    Have you checked out what Hyundai plans for 2012 Accent, Volster and Elantra. I think So. Korea is on the ri.se.
    I'm waiting for the VW Polo,but each day the compacts are getting loaded up. They ought to be with gas so high. Most of the compact cars are upgrading to heated seats,moonroofs ,grab bars,Bluetooth and consoles. :shades:
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    So my Golf isn't a compact. It sure feels like it.
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