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Chrysler 300M

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  • splattsplatt Posts: 328
    if you find it locally I'd be interested to know as well. I was looking at their site and not only is it easy to install, if it really does what they say, why not? As for measuring in your car, I think you'd need some specific equipment to measue hp/torque. Still, all in all, sounds doable. Especially if I get the gas mileage increase. I'm driving 70m/day and that would pay off big time...
  • drpixeldrpixel Posts: 256
    I don't drive at all during the week...commute into Noo Yawk, but it couldn't hoit to get better gas mileage I agree. In theory, it looks like it will do what is says it will do......hmmmm.think the CLub would foot the bill for an $80 piece of metal?.....(wink).....
    Doc
  • russklassrussklass Posts: 389
    You don't say how long you plan to keep the car, but here goes:

    Tires: Unless you have PHP/PHG you don't need V-rated tires.

    They will wear out much faster than OE tires. I had Michelin XGT V-4 tires on my '99 and was very pleased with them. DO get them properly balanced on a Hunter GSP9700...here's the link:

    http://www.gsp9700.com/pub/search/findgsp9700.cfm

    Brakes: If you were happy with the original brakes, why not stay with the Chrysler replacements?
  • sdmike2sdmike2 Posts: 2,909
    I've seen those infomercials as well. They say that creating a votex allows air to flow through your intake faster. The dyno that they showed the HP gain on went from 200 to about 220...which is a 10% gain. They didn't, however, show what they did to the engine to achieve this. ;)

    Here's my question...if the air is flowing in a circle caused by these fins, it seems to me that it would have to travel further. If it has to travel further it seems that it would get to the engine slower, not faster. I must be missing some law of physics. Also, in their informercial they show a clear tube with a "propeller" in it and put an air source on top of the tube. The propeller doesn't spin. Then they put one of these $75 pieces of tin between the air source and the tube and the propeller starts turning. Well gentlemen, wouldn't a propeller turn when air is blown across its surface normally? I give you the example of a pinwheel, a beanie cap, a windmill, a ceiling fan, a propeller, etc.. Why did this one stay still while air flowed over it then spin when the air "vortex" was applied. Easy, the sumbitch must have been FLAT! So, it makes a flat propeller spin by spinning the air. So??

    Maybe if I get a Tornado, those fuel line magnets, and an under-dash swamp cooler I'll be able to get 300hp and 50mpg! Better yet, I'll run premium gas in it and apply vaseline to make my plenum smoother and become INVISIBLE!!!
  • jona57jona57 Posts: 190
    Thanks all for your advice and sympathies. I spoke with the other guy's insurance firm this afternoon & they are apparently accepting fault. Their adjuster is to get with me tomorrow to get things started. In reality, I am totally grateful that no one was injured and all involved (inc. the other driver, police officer, body shop, & insurance people) have been upstanding and very cooperative.
    On a lighter note, I was joking with my wife this evening about today's whole episode 'cause yesterday she was giving me grief about who would get the first stone chip or door ding on the shiny new M. I started BS'ing about the female officer who responded to the accident scene-playing up the cute, blonde, divorced, "wouldn't leave me alone" thing- how she thought I was handsome, how she would find an excuse to call, etc, etc.. My wife's pretty cool & thought this whole bit was funny as hell. During this bull session after dinner, the phone rings & as sure as Daimler bought Chrysler --it's the same female officer asking to speak with me! Seems she needed a bit of follow-up info for her report, but my wife starts cracking up to the point I can hardly keep from laughing on the phone with this piece (er- I mean peace!) officer.
    Crass & politically incorrect story for sure, but it broke-up the tension on an otherwise sh**tty day.
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    Nissan redesigned Altima for 2002 and made it look like 300M. AND they brag that it is cab forward and that why it is so roomy.
  • 300michael300michael Posts: 1,815
    I made one a while back to test the theory, and no pain, no gain was the answer. Think of it this way the vines cause the air to create a vortex in the intake tube, OK I can buy that. As the air goes on its marry way making it's way through the bends on it way to the Throttle body. Suddenly it hit the TB butterfly valve and, that so called vortexed air slames into it. If there was a vortex created it is now stopped. Grab a tuna can and make you own to try it, it ould probably be better then the bought one.
  • 300michael300michael Posts: 1,815
    The tissue (rear) is not in question as to it's purpoise. The Clip (mine is gone (broken off to fit my Navigation Remote))can hold check books, (sun)glasses, and even you dayplanners.
  • 300michael300michael Posts: 1,815
    Nice job, Scotian. I am working on having my filter (cone type) located where the Plemun was. Which will fit in a 6X6X10 inch box. I am going to try (although I love the look of the lexan) stainless steel firstThat way the air from my hood scoop has a much shorter distance to travel. I plan to use a sheet of alumimun for a heat shield near the cats. The side benfit is that I gain all that space where the old air box was for some of my electronics, and compressors. If I need to I can install a second battery there also.
    Keep up the good work.
  • sdmike2sdmike2 Posts: 2,909
    Boy was that a pretty car. Very M-like front end, especially the headlights. The cars look like they were separated at birth, with the ES leaning a bit more to the luxury side and the M to the performance side. Maybe that's why they're both "300s". ;)

    Problem is the price. The base car with cloth seats is already 31k. There are two option packages, a 3k package that upgrades to leather seats, CD Changer and HIDs, and a 7k package that has everything the 3k package does plus a premium audio system, heated seats and navigation system. So to compare to my 300M that I paid $28k+ for (with a 34k+ sticker) the ES would cost at least $6k and possibly $9k more.
  • sdmike2sdmike2 Posts: 2,909
    Very funny! Now if you can just give that female officer a reason to call back AGAIN. That ought to have you guys shooting root beer out your noses. ;)
  • scotianscotian Posts: 1,064
    Yes, a hood scoop is always best.
  • mine will be for sale soon :)

    it will already be functional, meaning there will be a tract under the hood that leads to the airbox from the scoop.
  • sdmike2sdmike2 Posts: 2,909
    Just watched the full infomercial, and i'm still not convinced. However, they DID show a shop test of HP on a dyno before and after installation. I just went to their web site and there is one for the M. It's part number KI-75. it's $69 plus $11shipping (inflated shipping charges also chap my hide). The site is http://www.tornadofuelsaver.com . It also has a link to view the video on-line.
  • scotianscotian Posts: 1,064
    Can you send me a pic of the underside of your hood so I can see where exactly this tract goes?
  • splattsplatt Posts: 328
    sdmike, no please, tell us how you really feel! :D Well, I looked at the infomercial as well. I don't know. Sure, I'm always leary of anything that has to have an infomercial (not a good sign ;) but... I drive a lot of miles, and if it really did save on gas mileage, then it would be worth it to me just for that. But would it?

    inquiring minds......

    as for the armrest - boy am I dissapointed! With what was going on under there I imagined it to be much more of a useful contraption than a pack of tissues and a pen :D
  • drpixeldrpixel Posts: 256
    Not having the tool/mechanical gene DNA strand, I can't help myself sometimes..I see something with a blinking LEd light, or some new gizmo (informercial food slicer....flip-down paint edging tool...Didee-7 spot remover, etc...) I get this urge to buy it/them!

    I too saw the dyno test, etc. sdmike2 said"...They didn't, however, show what they did to the engine to achieve this. ;"..., I can only go on what I saw on the infomercial. can basically understand the facts he so eloquently stated/reamed me out with (!), but even if it gave me a couple more miles to the gallon wouldn't it be worth it just for that?

    I looked for a 300m version, but did not see it listed...but thanks for the part number. The website also stated it could be purchased at auto specialty stores--PepBoys, R&S Strauss. If they do have it, I think I'm gonna give it a shot. I will utilize the lastest technology for anaylsis of gas mileage (calculator...) and report back to y'all.

    Now, what'd I do with that DiDee-7 spot remover?.....

    See youse in the chatroom tonight!

    Doc
  • splattsplatt Posts: 328
    drpixel at tornadofuelsaver.com they have it listed for the 300M, at tornadoair.com they don't (looks to be same exact site, just different layout/pics). However, at the tornadoair it's the same part that is lited for the concorde/lhs (6cyl/3.5). I imagine that is it, though I would like to see it at a local pepboys first - especially because if I don't like it I can return it ;)
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    so what if it shapes the air stream into the whirl? Very soon the air passes through a whole bunch of pipes that will make it all turbulent again.
  • I have NEVER seen anything that was worth buying on an infomercial...the purpose of the infomercial is to get the word out on a product that would already be known by word of mouth IF the product was any good.

    I generally give infomercials the same credibility as a story in the National Enquirer...
  • grunschevgrunschev Posts: 106
    Have you calculated the payback using different mpg increases? If you get 2mpg savings, it'll take you about 12k miles to get the payback. You're looking for about a 10% savings, though, which seems pretty high. With a 3% savings your payback is more like 36k miles.

    Here's an alternate suggestion: make a slight change in your driving habits and save the 3% without any out of pocket costs. This saves you the $80 and you get better mileage.

    Igor
  • drpixeldrpixel Posts: 256
    Splatt....thanks for the info....the regular website contains a small banner in yellow that says :

    Work gloves must be worn when handling and installing the unit.
    KEEP AWAY FROM CHILDREN


    I would guess this little sucker is probably has some sharp edges. I called the local PepBoys hear me..they said they hadn't gotten them in-yet. Don't know if they ARE or aren't getting them, but I try again another time. Why pay $7.95-$8.95 S & H if I could get it locally, and be able to return the dee-vice.... I'm also going to try the local Strauss Auto store and the site says its available at Tire Centers...

    ruski Crap?...maybe, but suppose it DOES do what it says it will? As long as I could return it to the store, it would be worth a shot in the air intake tube, ay?

    Again, I'm obviously NOT mechanically inclined, but I think I could handle this; and I think its at least worth the effort. Maybe its all smoke and mirrors, but...

    Doc
  • drpixeldrpixel Posts: 256
    hmmmm...were you poking fun at me? If I remember correctly, the 'propeller' that is on the ifomercial was shaped something like a bow tie-- X, and was not flat like a beanie propeller -----.
    I would guess that any air passing through/around a propeller/whatever should have moved.
    In any case, I think its worth a shot.
    My driving habits--which for me means not jumping on the gas when the light turns green-- really wouldn't figure into the equation. I have yet to get eMily over 80 mph. I'm just trying to see if I can improve my gas mileage a bit. I think the tests they ran and posted on their site would be verifiable, or else why would they post them, right?
    'Crap', maybe, but I'm willing to try.....
    just my .000002 ¢ worth!
    Master Mechanic Doc
  • sdmike2sdmike2 Posts: 2,909
    I wasn't poking fun at you...just the infomercial. :) Maybe you can take advantage of the Club's offer for a test car and have them pick up the cost of some real dyno testing for this thing. That would answer the question once and for all...for the M at least.
  • scotianscotian Posts: 1,064
    My dome light kept going on last night as I was driving, and I'm pretty sure I figured out what's wrong.

    In my aftermarket car alarm/mess of wires, I have a closed loop sensor unit attached to the V1. If the V1 is yanked out, a ground is disconnected, which causes a second wire to ground, which causes the alarm to be triggered. I also have this second ground/trigger signal connected to the driver door ajar signal to set the OEM alarm off. This also turns on the dome light, of course, as well as the red dash light, which also happened as I drove.

    I'll have to get a new closed loop sensor, which consists of resistors and transistors. This one (DEI 502T) lasted over a year. The first one I bought from Autotoys.com was awful-- it randomly grounded the trigger wire.
  • Sounds like you have it figured out! Before you buy a new closed loop sensor, you may want to verify that it is not a light switch problem. I had a 98 Intrepid that periodically turned on the dome light. It took me a while to discover that the dash light switch had some play and would sometimes complete a circuit without being touched. I believe others have had the same problem with the 300M...
  • russklassrussklass Posts: 389
    Loved the cop story...sorry about the accident!
  • splattsplatt Posts: 328
    boy you've got a lot going on there :) I have my V1 direct connected, but don't have a thrid party alarm (btw, what's the advantage over the standard one?) It was easy to install - I put the V1 right over the rear-view mirror, and left enough slack to move it around some if I wanted. Ran the cord under the roof trim, and down the door trim to the fuse box. Voila! Don't have the remote piece, but don't really need it. You can't see the detector from outside the car. It took so little time I was surprised :D

    Also, that eram looks neat, except it sounds pretty loud from the vid clip...

    drpixel I got an email back from the tornado people in regards to the version for the M.

    "Absolutely! The TORNADO for your vehicle is a part ki-75. For additional
    information and a free brochure please provide your full name and address."

    If you get one let me know how it goes.
  • Seems Dodge is indeed makeing the Intrepid RT a cop car. Seen it on the news pages of car and driver, & road & track. I must have seen a prototype a few months ago pull over a car.

    The 300M seems to be the fastest car at high speeds them most of it's competers. In my seach for another car, I see alot of them have better 0-60 numbers, but onwners complain about a lack of punch at high speed. After 70 it takes forever to get past 100. This includes the CL/TL-S, Maxima, LS, & GTP. Intresting. The 300M's high speed ability always impressed me. It is a great car for crusing HW's.
  • JUNK!!! PERIOD!!!
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