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Chrysler 300M

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  • 300mmm300mmm Posts: 27
    Well my second shot at ordering and ' 02 300m (dealer made a mistake on the first try) has come in! This time it came with all options I ordered (Lux Grp, PHP, Side Air bags and Moon Roof) but not the chrome wheels! They told me last time they couldn't order this group of options with the chrome wheels and I suspect they'll do so again. Does anyone know the story here? Can't you get this set of options with the chrome? Does anyone have lux and php on an '02 with chrome wheels. Frankly it's not a make or break for me but I hate waiting 10 weeks and not getting what I ordered. What's up with that?
  • jona57jona57 Posts: 190
    300mmm

    It is my understanding from the info on Edmunds (usu. more up to date than Chrysler's own web site!) that chromes are indeed available with the PHG/Lux Gp/Side airbags/Moonroof. Great combo choice- exactly how my Garnet 01 M is equipped! My guess would be there is some supplier delay somewhere & some uneducated soul just gave the go ahead to build your 1st order figuring the customer (you) would take it anyway-chromes or not. My advice is to stick to your guns- tell the dealer you will only accept EXACTLY the car you want. This is what I had to do to get my M the way I wanted it, although in my case they kept trying to get me to accept a NON-PHG car. (BTW- the chromes are a good deal, and the full-size spare is a great deal- I got it and have used it already)

    Good luck!

    Jon
  • sdmike2sdmike2 Posts: 2,909
    Based on everything I read there's no reason why you can't get chrome wheels with that group. In fact, that's how my '01 is outfitted. Tell them they have one more chance or you'll go somewhere else. There is no reason to settle for less than you want. I agree with jona that the chrome wheels, including spare, are a great deal.


    http://www.ritchiefamily.com/300m.htm

  • mikeyjohnmikeyjohn Posts: 365
    I was at my local DC dealer in the last few months and was comparing my 01M to the 02M and the 02M's had the chrome wheels. The only difference between the two years is that the center section of the wheel was flat and on mine they were curved. It is also noted that otto put in a very long post on the way the cars were built, and they came off the same assembly line. I was also at another dealer last week and saw a 02M that had the flat look to the wheels, but this car did not have the PHP. I also read somewhere that a DC dealer had taken the wheels off an M and was selling them separately. I would not deal with an outfit like that, and we are lucky as there are lots of DC dealers who want your money and are willing to treat the cutomer with respect. On the other hand there are those others!!!!!!!!!!!
  • ottowrkrottowrkr Posts: 778
    Yes the chrome is available with PHP and or LUX package. Do they have a M with the chrome? if they do change them.If chrome is not a big deal for you tell them you want a discount off the one that came in with no chrome( make them think you had to have the chrome). If not go to another dealer , dealers cant give the M away these days. Guess thats why we are off for two weeks on layoff starting tomorrow.

    Going to Detroit this Wed, autoshow .anybody else??
  • russklassrussklass Posts: 389
    If you go Wed you will be early, very early, as the public cannot enter until Saturday.
    We will be there Sunday.
    E-mail me (address on profile) if you will be there this weekend.
  • 300mmm300mmm Posts: 27
    Thanks everybody, pretty much confirms my belief. Since we sat down and he showed me his "invoice" and we specifically tacked on the $ for the chrome, I can't imagine my 5* still expecting the same price. I'll probably just take it and save the bucks. Hopefully I'll be giving my Mpressions of my first 300 next week.

    Thanks again!
  • russklassrussklass Posts: 389
    The photos of the Luxury Group kit on the Joshua site are of my car. The superimposed woodtrim.com graphics are Joshua's doing.

    http://www.woodtrim.com/catalog_detail.cfm?prod=3860

    I have been very happy with this kit.

    Don't worry about missing the 20% off sale, they have one every month...sometimes asking for free shipping works too.

    The kits are, in fact, manufactured in, and shipped from, Mexico.
  • sdmike2sdmike2 Posts: 2,909
    Go run the options and numbers for your car through www.carsdirect.com. It will tell you the MSRP and their price for the chrome wheels so you can make sure you don't get screwed. If I were you I wouldn't trust this dealer further than I could throw him since you were fed a pile of crap about the availability of wheels. They're liars. In fact, unless they can beat the carsdirect price by at least a few hundred $$ you should get it at carsdirect. No hassle.
  • sdmike2sdmike2 Posts: 2,909
    I just ran through some numbers on carsdirect and got the following results. A fully loaded M, less smokers group and cold weather group, has a MSRP of $33,495 and a dealer invoice of $31,691. There is a $1,000 rebate in effect into March, and the CarsDirect price for this car is $30,741. If you subtract the rebate from the invoice you'll get $30,691, so their selling price is $50 over dealer invoice. Just so you don't feel bad for the dealer, keep in mind that they get "dealer holdback" which is 3% of the invoice price. In this case the participating carsdirect dealer will make the $50 plus holdback of about $950. They also get to try to make money on a trade, financing, add-ons etc.

    Carsdirect's price for the chrome wheels was $690, and their price for the full sized chrome spare was $354. Therefore, "your" car without the chrome or full sized spare would cost about $29,700 from Carsdirect. Don't pay any more than that at your dealer. In fact, go run the numbers on-line and tell your dealer that just for being stupid they have to beat the price by at least $300. lol
  • achanceachance Posts: 106
    Awhile back there was a site called midnightmoose that I learned about on this site, and which was good for 300 lights. The site hasn't worked in a while. Anyone know what happened to them? If they're gone, anyone know a good source?
  • bigmike5bigmike5 Posts: 960
    Well, on Friday afternoon I spent a half hour talking with the local tire store manager about the 245/45-17 Dayton Daytona tires he mounted on my 7" stock rims. He was absolutely definitive, not withstanding the recommended rim sizes on the manufacturer's chart, that there will be no problems with that size tire on that stock rim. I guess I will keep them--God, they do make the car handle a lot better, and even in a ZR configuration they are quieter than the LSs were.
  • kosh_2258kosh_2258 Posts: 338
    As long as the wheels aren't charged on the sticker just be sure the agreed price comes down by an equal amount at the very least.

    I wouldn't let on that the wheels aren't an issue. Make a big deal out of it. If they give you the same story about not being able to order the wheels with those packages, call them on it. Make an even bigger stink, demand to talk to the dealership manager or owner. By the time you're through with them you should be able to name any reasonable price to them just so they can keep the sale. Really work them on the fact that they screwed up TWICE on the same thing so what else might they screw up on?

    Many dealers wouldn't think twice about working a customer so take advantage of your knowledge and work THEM for a change. Just don't go ballistic, remain calm but very firm with them and show them you mean business. The shoes on the other foot for a change, so have some fun with it.
  • illini4illini4 Posts: 140
    Russ, you're 1 week off. The Detriot show opened to the public last Saturday. You will be going on the last day if you wait until next Sunday. I'm going tomorrow.
  • jona57jona57 Posts: 190
    Otto-

    My Garnet 2001M does indeed have chrome wheels- and an extra stock chrome wheel on my full-size spare (for not much extra $$ on the sticker!). My M also has PHG/Lux Gp/Side airbags/Moonroof/ Infinity II 4-disc CD.

    BTW- Can you shed any light on the possibility of adding the Special's performance gear ratio to a "std" 300M?

    Jon
  • ottowrkrottowrkr Posts: 778
    russklass the show opened to the public Sat Jan 12 .It runs for two weeks .for more info on the show .. http://www2.naias.com .


    jona -Sorry cant give you any info on putting the Specials gears in the regular 300. All I know is that when we build the Special we use the trans that is also used with the 2.7 engine. At first I thought they made another trans with different gearing ,but on closer inspection we only have two racks of trans on the line. So the Special and 2.7 cars use the same one. The only change is in the software used in the controller..

  • I was at my dealer on Friday, ordering my new front speaker, and saw the new Special, in silver. I like it! The aerodynamic add-ons do make the car look more aggressive, particularly in the rear (along with the dual exhaust). The interior trim is nice, and the HID lights, signal mirrors, and wheels are positive additions. Overall, if I was purchasing at this point, I'd definitely go for the Special--with the add-ons, it's an excellent value. However, since my '01 is less than ten months old, it ain't going to happen.
  • kosh_2258kosh_2258 Posts: 338
    Well all the snow HAD melted, but the weather gods dumped 4 inches of new wet, sloppy, snow on us last night.

    Unlike last time, I was prepared for this go around. I had put the Michelin Pilot Alpins on the Special Saturday. Best purchase I ever made. Man, that car moves through the snow like a hot knife through butter now.

    No noticable negative effects either. The ride hasn't changed much, the handling is still good, and out on the wet but bare pavement of the freeway the tires were quiet and smooth.

    A big thumbs up for the Pilot Alpins!
  • russklassrussklass Posts: 389
    You are both right!
    We always go MLK weekend to take advantage of the Monday holiday for the Henry Ford Museum.
    Sorry for the erronious post.
  • uxca300muxca300m Posts: 155
    I think you guys in the U..S.A are being ripped off by D.C. Consider the following. Price a 300M special base unit at http://www.daimlerchrysler.ca and it will be around $44,345.00. Now I know that the Canadian dollar is worth diddly squat but it is worth something on the international market and has a fixed exchange rate with U.S.A. banks. Now price the same 300m

    at Chrysler U.S.A. at http://www.chrysler.com in the U.S. and it's $32,595.00. To convert Canadian to U.S the factor is .63 so the $44,345 .00 in comparable real money would be

    $27,937.00. The exchange factures can be found at http://xe.com/ucc/. So if your paying $33,000 for the M U.S. your actully paying around $52,800.00 Canadian. I wonder why there is such a discrepency.
  • sdmike2sdmike2 Posts: 2,909
    maybe $5,000 to ship it from Ontario to the states. ;)
  • blondablonda Posts: 542
    Sorry for the late reply. I didn't check in this weekend. Since I work in RB and I'm out and about quite often around lunchtime, it's probably easiest to meet somewhere then. Perhaps in Carmel Mountain Ranch area (I go there alot). Just let me know when you're going to be in the area anytime between 11:30-1:30 and maybe we can coordinate, and I'll do the same.


    On another note...I know everyone wants to you to work on a Vegas meet, but I had a thought if you wanted to look into this for So CA. I live within walking distance from Carlsbad Raceway. They run open drag races every weekend and on Saturdays they start lining up at 11:00 for the gates to open at 1:00. I love looking at the variety of cars when I drive by. A few weeks ago I noticed at least 5 late model Lincoln Mark VI's lined up. Not your average drag racer. I'm assuming they were a club maybe taking the cars out for a meet and test run. Might be fun to do with the 300M's. There is a wide variety of cars...this weekend was overwhelmingly late model Camaros, but you usually see classic muscle cars, hot rod antiques, mustangs and of course lots of Rice Rockets. Only thing I can tell you need to race is some sort of "neutral safety switch" whatever that is. Here's the link if you want to check it out (if I post it right anyway)


    http://carlsbadrags.tripod.com/carlsbadrags/

  • This URL still works on my browser--don't know why you can't get it(????)
  • Did you ever get the shifter cover in wood? I have an extra one that I think you need. If you still need it - email me - shan_osborne@hotmail.com
  • blondablonda Posts: 542
    Thanks for the offer -- that would save me a lot of extra cash if I decide to go with the discount dash (as opposed to buying a new shifter assembly). I'll send you an email later today.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Ai-yi-yi, here's where I'm s'posed to mention that we all know the Membership Agreement forbids using the Town Hall for any sort of personal gain.

    Taking this conversation off-line is a really good idea.

    Thanks! ;-)

    Pat
    Host
    Sedans Message Board
  • rogor2krogor2k Posts: 385
    The URL works for me too. I just got snail mail confirmation of a 10% discount from them for 300M Enthusiasts Club members. We should have it posted on the Club web site in a few days. I'll announce it here when it's on the site. There's a discount code that you have to use.

    I inquired about true HID conversion kits for the 300M. They say thay're not currently available, but they're releasing new kits all the time. Maybe there's hope. The price on the conversion kits isn't all that bad, $450 for most kits and Club members would get 10% off that price.
  • uxca300muxca300m Posts: 155
    No, the shipping charge can't be it because I live about 30 miles from the plant and my destination charge was $900.00 Canadian. I think they just average this destination charge out. Besides if you know trucking, a trailor carrying say 10 vehicles from Ontario to California, perhaps a four day trip would not be able to charge 10 x $5,000.00 for a total of $50,000. If they can then I'm in the wrong buisness.
  • uxca300muxca300m Posts: 155
    I bought my 01 300M in November of 01. It was the dealer owners demo car and had 3000 miles on it. (Gotta say here that I wouldn't have know what a 300M was until walked into the dealership and saw it sitting on the showroom floor. ) Poor advertising by D.C. I guess.
    Anyway after two weeks of negotiation with the dealer I bought it for $35,100 Canadian which would be about $22,113.00 U.S.It came with the luxury group, chrome wheels, full sized spare,
    rain deflectors, mud guards, sun roof and rear spoiler.
  • 300michael300michael Posts: 1,815
    It is a good thing that knowlege, or enjoyment is not considered personal gain, or we would all have to quit this board:)
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