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Chrysler 300M

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  • scotianscotian Posts: 1,064
    Stay away from them. They were never hot, just advertised a lot.
  • blondablonda Posts: 542
    I don't think I could get $500 for my dog unless I charge by the pound (he weights about 110lbs)...LOL!

    Actually, I have a limit order in on some stock options and it should kick in by summer. When it does I want to take a grand and put it in the car...dual exhaust, wood dash kit, and maybe the K&N Charger...what the heck! I am however going to get those Ding Doctor guys to fix my dings in the next couple weeks (I'll let you know what they quote me).
  • bigmike5bigmike5 Posts: 960
    I saw a long infomercial on Duralube products on cable one Sunday morning, it was really fascinating to see how they tested their products with people watching. I asked about the tranny [$20] and oil [$10] additives here but no one indicated that they had tried them, so I held off. I see Duralube sponsors a NASCAR so they must have a good product, right? I may still try them when I do the tranny again at 50K miles.
  • splattsplatt Posts: 328
    Thanks for the info. I'm putting it in myself (not very hard, especially due to the fuze box placement ;) I have the hands free in, but hadn't done the antenna yet. I'll try taping it on first and see if there's any interference.

    Hopefully not :)
  • lflowerslflowers Posts: 155
    I don't think that sponsoring a NASCAR team proves your product is good, just proves your MONEY is good! Heck, Viagra sponsors a car, you gonna try that?
    I'm just kidding...I don't know anything about Duralube products. I'm sure you know more, since I haven't even seen the infomercial (I try very hard to avoid watching those things!)

    Lynn Flowers
    McKinney, Texas
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    Just got my driver's license this afternoon and drove the M home. All I can say, is that I'm not impressed. Granted, I've only ever driven this and the 00' Mercury Sable driver ed car, but this car wasn't too great. At 50+mph, the steering wheel vibrates noticably and at any speed, the accelerator is bad. It just feels so soft and springy, and to get the car to move, you have to push it, farther and farther and farther. Both of my parents have said this about the car quite often and now I see what they mean. Going 40mph, I had to push it in more and more and more and got nothing. Our Voyager was the same was from a stop.

    Not bad to drive, just not that great. But then again, I've only really driven 2 cars!

    See yah!
  • blondablonda Posts: 542
    That doesn't sound like an M to me. I think ya got a lemon.
  • Your 300M may be a bit beat up or, as blonda suggests, a lemon. The more likely reality is that you've experienced a Ford/Mercury "trick" to make people think their less powerful cars are actually kind of hot.

    What Ford (and, hence, Mercury) does in many of its models is set up the gas pedal to provide an initial fast, nonlinear engagement of the throttle. In effect, a small amount of pedal movement yields a greater application of throttle. This is done to create the illusion of greater engine power. In fact, they're often no faster (or even slower) than cars that don't employ this little bit of trickery. They don't necessarily do this on their real performance cars, just on the more mundane models. This is actually not that uncommon a thing--other manufacturers do this with many of their less powerful cars.

    The 300M seems to exhibit a more linear application of throttle, much like some of the high performance European and Japanese cars. The power's there, but the car requires you to tell it what you want.

    As for the steering wheel vibration, something's wrong--it could be a wheel balancing problem, an alignment issue, or even a defective tire. It can happen in any car and should be easy to diagnose and repair.
  • fastdriverfastdriver Posts: 2,273
    mikeyjohn-

    Like they say- you can get a lemon with any kind of car. So far my friends have had NO problems with their 300XG-L. Their car shifts seamlessly.

    My cousin's husband was in an accident about a month ago with his Mercedes sedan. He slide on the snow/ice and hit a tree head on and his airbag didn't deploy either. He was going fast enough for it to open. Mercedes has NO clue why it didn't deploy, but supposedly they are checking it out.

    blonda-

    Thanks. I'll e-mail them and let you know if it was bought at auction or traded. Cush in SD said no way would they have bought it. If they did get one in trade, they said they'd wholesale it.

    beach15-

    Congratulations! Drive carefully. Watch out for the OTHER guy!

    fastdriver
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    You're telling me! We were beyond the lemon stage long, long ago!

    As for the car, you're telling me that you guys don't notice slack in the gas pedal? It's surely not very responsive and feels really lose to me. And apparently I'm not nuts, because the wonderful owners of this car (who must be WONDERFUL to still have it) have talked about the same thing before, strange, because they don't like to acknowledge many problems with the M.

    And as far as driving goes, the steering isn't bad and is smoother and lighter than the Sable, but IMHO could be a little crisper or tighter. There's also too much float in the suspension for my taste. The fix? I'd say get the PHG, no question about it. In October 2000, when we we're going to buy a 00' Stone White & Lt. Pearl Beige M with the PHP, it was better on the test drive. Yeah, the ride was firmer, but it was clearly better controlled and more precise, all in all, the car felt a lot nicer. It was a difference I noticed immediately when we drove this car the next day. It seemed smoother and maybe a little quieter (not by much) but there also there also was more float and softness and it felt less sport-like.

    More and more, I wish we had bought that car. It didn't have a sunroof, but if they just would have given a little more on the trade, we would have had it. It sat on the lot until about February or March of last year and then someone bought it. I still see it everyday too. Some lady who works at a personal car home just up the road owns it. She keeps the car immaculate all the time. Every time I see it, it's always shiny and the chrome wheels look spotless. The color combo also looks nicer than what we got, especially after a year and some scratches and swirl marks.

    Just think what I might have been typing right now instead if we had gotten that 300M! Probably not the mess that I usually do!

    Now, if I could just get a job and a car...
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    Yet again, we've posted right after each other! I think it's a sign of some kind...

    Thanks for the driving tip! After the little mishap back in October, believe me, I look out for every other crazy on the road! Especially here in southern Delaware, "Land of the Stupid" as we call it!

    -beach
  • glennbpglennbp Posts: 327
    AH-HAH! Now I know where my ex-wife lives!!!
  • blondablonda Posts: 542
    That M on the Acura lot is driving you crazy isn't it?
  • fastdriverfastdriver Posts: 2,273
    blonda-

    NO MORE! They just responded to my e-mail.

    "Hi Bob,

    You are correct. Both cars were"trade-ins" and they are not "HOT" market movers.

    Have a great time in your Acura 3.2CL-S!!!!

    Kathie Thompson
    Internet Department Manager
    760-737-6582
    kthompson@cushcars.com
    Have a great day!!!!
    :) :) :)"

    fastdriver
  • specialmspecialm Posts: 31
    You need to try out a 300M Special. They handle real niiice with the 18" rims and tires. And Like mboomgarden said the M's have a European type of performance feel to them. Mine winds out nice with hardly any foot into the thottle. But when I mash it she really takes off. I own a couple of muscle cars, so I know what fast is. The 300's aren't real fast but they're impressive.
  • blondablonda Posts: 542
    Must have put them out front cuz they're much, much prettier to look at. Acura's are so bland and common, ya don't even notice them.
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    Don't get me wrong, I was not a fan of the Sable at all, I really didn't like it. It was like driving some sort of truck. It wasn't all that powerful either, so it's not what's throwing off my opinion on the M. I know what having a linear and refined feel is, and the M is almost there but there's still too much slop between what the pressure applied and how the car responds. All 3 of us have the same opinion on the car.

    I do, however, like the brakes, they do have a nice, smooth, strong, linear feel to them. Forget those Buick comments a few months back, those were just overtly strong (though the trottle response was much better).

    Actually this somewhat lazy throttle is good for a new driver, as it isn't too abrupt. As for the M being beat, yes, that is exactly what it feels like. The body feels like it has really loosened up, there's various rattles, things don't sound all that nice anymore, etc., etc.. But on the contrary, we drive the thing like you would a Buick! Warm it up for 15-20 minutes every morning, don't mash the trottle, nor is there very many bad roads that it's driven on. And, to top it off, only 18,000 miles! Actually, now that I think of it, the warranty is now have gone, OH NO!!!

    Believe me, when it comes to cars, I know just about everything possible, almost to the point that it can be annoying at times! Maybe that's why I plan to become an engineer, and have already majored 2 years of high school in CADD, Computer-Aided Drafting & Design. Who knows, maybe one day in the near future, you'll be driving a car I had something to do with? Just a thought...

    -beach
  • fastdriverfastdriver Posts: 2,273
    blonda-

    Yep! That must be the reason! It has 49,316 miles. It's a 1999 and they're asking $19,995! Interested? ;-))

    fastdriver
  • guesswho1guesswho1 Posts: 209
    has anyone installed one? if so fill me in.
  • rogor2krogor2k Posts: 385
    Trying to email you and your bigfoot email is bouncing. Can you send a current email address to rogor@gte.net.

    Thanks!
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    You've got to be kidding me! $20 grand for a 99' with 50k miles? First of all, it is not worth that at all. Second, if that were true, our 00' M with only 18k miles would be worth about $22-33 grand which it is not. I've asked, and the highest someone told me for a trade-in on the M is a "heavy" $15.5k. So, in other words, we'd be very lucky to get that, and our pay-off is still about $13k, so not much of a down payment on something else.


    If anyone in the Manassas, VA area are looking for a Special, here's one at a dealer. I must say, it looks really good and probably would drive a heck of a lot better than ours, but one bad M is enough! Anyway, take a look (full-size pic with window sticker):


    http://www.manassaschrysler.com/Chrysler/290132.html

  • on1wheelon1wheel Posts: 68
    today the wife closed the drivers side door and something klunked! later she rolled down the window and when she rolled it back up,it came off track.the window went clear up past the door edge!
    anyone experience this? i dont remember anyone ever mentioning it. guess i`ll tear in to the door tomarrow.last week (i think),someone posted the website with the instructions on removing the door panel.can someone repost it? i thought i had saved it,but i guess i didnt.
    i will post my findings,and remedy as soon as i find something out as to whats wrong with it!
  • sirharpersirharper Posts: 112
    More horror stories about that once-wrecked M of your parents huh?

    Do us a favor...get yourself a riced out Honda Civic and pretend it's the ultimate driving machine like the rest of the kids your age.

    BTW...2 years here...ABSOLUTELY NO UNSCHEDULED SERVICE...no vibration...no road noise (except the Borla)...no alignment problem...wipers work fine (original blades)...no leaks...NO COMPLAINTS!
  • no1trustno1trust Posts: 151
    Is there a separate topic for Duralube/Slick 50, etc., products at Edmunds? I'm still lurking to see how the 300M Special fares before I commit. I'm also a little concerned about the customer service; there's a lot of complaints about 5* "service" here. The dealerships I've been to so far around here supposedly recently lost their 5* ratings, is this a hint of things to expect? Otherwise I really love looking at and renting the 300M.
  • 300michael300michael Posts: 1,815
    I have read a few articles a while back stating that the products like slick 50, QMI, duralube and others tend to block the fine oil channels in the engine over time. This would explane how the engines could run "dry" with no oil, because of the slime that is still in the rings and such that still lubs the engine, after the oil is drained. Not to mention the oil filter will filter out most of the particles thus clogging up the filter faster. The first and last car I tried it on was my 70 Dodge Cornet.
  • 300michael300michael Posts: 1,815
    I used to add desel fuel to the engine to help clean it out, and Marvel Mystery oil to get rid of the tapping lifters. But that is the extent of the additives I have added. And only for a short time. Right now I run 5w/30 mobil oil.
  • 300michael300michael Posts: 1,815
    Most of you old kogers remember the Frantz oil filters that used toilet paper. Well they still make those and a new unit that actually pumps oil through the entire engine before starting it. The only draw back is when you switch on the ignition the pump starts pumping oil and 30 seconds the engine starts. No fast get aways.
  • sdmike2sdmike2 Posts: 2,909
    A fire. You need a fire. Or a cliff. Yeah, a cliff. That's the ticket. For some reason I think you'd find something to complain about in any car you drove. Mating that degree of criticalness (a word?) with what sounds like a lemon you have a recipe for major league trouble. Not only do I not have ANY of the defects that you have (wipers, leaks, rattles), but I have no compaints about the responsiveness of the car and the handling, and I've driven hundreds of cars. Drive yourself a couple of dozen before you pass comparative judgement. At least you'd have more than a sable to compare it to.
  • 300michael300michael Posts: 1,815
    There is a 300M engine and transmission on Ebay for $2,500 (Thats cheaper then a turbo unit). He could have droped it in the trunk and have a 500HP four wheel drive 300M:) Can someone say Vaarroooom Zoom Zoom?
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