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Chrysler 300M

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  • sdmike2sdmike2 Posts: 2,909
    no and no. I won't put one of those ugly XM antennas on my car. Maybe when they make them color matched and tiny I might consider it. I also talked to the local audio shop and we have no idea where to install it. I guess if I start spending more time on the road these issues will become less important. The sound quality on the demo system was excellent.

    Mike
  • we have GEN 3 seatbelts!!!!!!
  • sdmike2sdmike2 Posts: 2,909
    uh..I'm not sure what that means. Care to elaborate?
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,625
    Per the new issue of C & D. Basically, the article said that back in '98/99, this was one of THE cars to own. Unfortunately, time has moved forward while our beloved M really has not...
    Doesn't bother me. I still think it is one heck of a value. And as always, a looker.
    Besides the rear interior door panels a bit loose, nothing much to report. Gas mileage has improved to 22mpg-ish for my daily commute (predominately, at least) driving.
    2500 miles of warranty left...

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • mac12563mac12563 Posts: 1
    I just bought a new 300M 2002 a week ago(2/28/02) and the car seems to idle rough with the engine hot or cold. It is not as bad when the AC unit is on. I had the dealer look into this and he said that they checked the car and found no problem, but did admit the rough idle was present and this is characteristic of that motor. I find that hard to believe. Can you shed more light on this? If that is true, why is that so? Other than that I love the car!

    I appreciate any help you can give me.

    Best wishes
  • no1trustno1trust Posts: 151
    I went to check out the Cadillac CTS on Monday; I like the looks of the car (in brief, the 300M is still 1st pick IMHO). They also sported Goodyears. If people are complaining about noisy Goodyears, why can't the customer replace them w/a different brand as part of the car purchase? Has that been tried?
  • easyrider300measyrider300m Posts: 1,116
    yes, unfortunately the rough idle is a characteristic of the engine--many here have mention it--

    However I did figure out something that helps. If you are idling at a light and you see the tach idling at around 5-600, give the gas just a slight tap as you keep your foot on the brake and you will find that it settles down to about 700 rpm and engine smooths out---

    You could also put it in neutral or park if you will be idling for a long time--that also smooths out the idle.

    be sure to join the Chrysler 300M Enthusiasts Club--lots of benefits and club meets--(as well as some neat caps and shirts and soon some nice logo mats!

    Enjoy your new M!
  • mykemmykem Posts: 203
    this happened to me once, the only thing that i did was fill up at the gas station between the car being fine and the rough idle.

    it was either 'bad gas' or water, since a bottle of a gas additive helped a little, but what helped more was running it to fumes and filling up on 89 the next time (87 since).

    my rough idle hasn't happened since.

    don't know the particulars, but I hope in over a week you at least went to a gas station and refilled...

    -m
  • sel714sel714 Posts: 35
    Could you tell me which issue I just received my April issue and must have over looked it what page is it on. I am disappointed as my 99 with K&N and Borla exhaust has 0 to 60 times of 7.5 am running Michelin Pilots. I was hoping for the low 7s as I would like to have a Special sometime this year. We have just over 70000 on our M. We have had our share of problems but the wife and I really love to drive this car.
    sel714
  • kosh_2258kosh_2258 Posts: 338
    I'm assuming that the test is in the April issue of C&D. When you consider the lead time on a magazine (about 2 months) that means the test had to have been run in mid to late December.

    I remember Otto saying the cars for shows and testings were built the first two weeks in November and they didn't start shipping until mid December.

    I think it would be fair to say the Special tested was probably pretty low mileage and not fully broken in. I know that mine was tight for the first 1000 miles or so and is still loosening up at 2500mi. So that would have an effect on the performace numbers.

    Also, so far, no rough idling noted in mine - very smooth actually. It has had a steady diet of 89 since new, and 99% of the miles have been freeway speed.
  • sdmike2sdmike2 Posts: 2,909
    smooth here. '01 loaded
  • wyort1wyort1 Posts: 2
    If the "Special" was new, then it was tight. My R/T was tight until at least 5,000 miles. Seems that I read many posts from R/T sites that indicated performance increased at around that (5000) mileage. I assume that it is the same for the 300M as well because the R/T and the 300M basically share the same drivetrain, etc.

    I was surprised when reading the performance numbers on this site, because I expected the "Special" to perform better than C&D reported.

    Saw one in L.A. on a transporter in January when attending the Rose Bowl. Have to say, it is a great looking car. I looked seriously at the 300 before purchasing the R/T, but the price and dealer incentives sold me on the R/T.
  • drpixeldrpixel Posts: 256
    Some of you (?) might have gotten an email from Rogor regsrding an article he received from one of our Dutch members. Since I am Dutch by heritage--but don't speak the language, I sent it to my Uncle in California. He translated the important part (the articla also seemed to cover the Jeep Cherokee..). Here's the translation:
    =====================================================================
    "Enthusiastic owners of the Chrysler 300M in America have united themselves in an official club, "The Chrysler 300M Enthusiasts Club". The members exchange experiences of owning and driving the 300M and provide tips on maintenance, modification and upkeep of the car.
    The club also gave birth to a web site under the address www.300mclub.org
    For anyone who has a Chrysler and has warm or soft spot in his hart for a 300M in particular it would certainly be well worth the time and trouble to visit this site.
    Since its inception, there have been several hundred members that joined the club, and it was joyfully reported that one of those was from the Netherlands".
    =====================================================================

    I especially like the last two lines about 'being joyfuly reported" which really was true. Our club is a truly international one, and I'm quite proud to be associated with such a great bunch of people. The article had a screen capture of the club's homepage--way cool!

    U R G E N T


    A recent article on local Channel 7 described a problem with Generation3 seatbelts. A friend of mine here at the Bank saw the article and mentioned this to me as I walked in the door this morning. He seemed to think that the problem is with 2002 model year, but was not sure. Does anyone have any other information about this?

    Regards to all,
    Doc
  • drpixeldrpixel Posts: 256
    ..okay, back to the tips question. someone here mentioned that the existing 'brushed aluminum/stainless steel' tips that are stock are welded on (to something?..). how does a mechanically challenged individual like myself remove this/these?
    I'm leaning towards blonda's Ractive (?) shiny oval one, but also like 300Michael's Yellow Borla tips--which BTW do they come in other colors? Also saw another type on someone's M here that had a little vertical piece in the center of EACH of the two 'pipes--does this sound familiar to any of youse?
    Granted, this is NOT a big deal given what some of you have done, but for me, its a mod.

    Doc
  • smooth here also!!!!!
  • The Car & Driver article is on page 105 of April issue.

    Regarding the engine being "tight," that might be a minor factor, but not enough to convince me that the Special is anything but roughly the performance equal of the standard 300M. Modern automobiles are built to such exacting tolerances that break-in mileage isn't, in most cases, factor in performance measurements. If you look at most long-term tests, there is generally less than a .1 second variance in 0-60 times between a new car and that same car 30,000 -40,000 miles later. Variations of that magnitude are equally attributable to tire wear, track conditions, and/or air temperature.

    The more likely explanation is staring us in the face: the Special has only two more horsepower than the '99, it weighs 80 lbs. more, and the engine is working to overcome the inertia of a larger wheel/tire combination.

    I love my '01 PHG, and I'd love to have a Special, if for no other reason than the HIDs, the nice wheels, and the styling updates. But, Chrysler apparently decided not to upgrade its straight line performance this time around.
  • dkrhardydkrhardy Posts: 134
    you bet that helps, I am thinking that may be the way I wanna go. Thanks again.
  • bigmike5bigmike5 Posts: 960
    Rough idle normal?? What a bunch of hooey. I have had my M for 3 1/2 years and never had any roughness or stumbling of the engine at any time. I have been running on regular and haven't had a tune-up for 40K miles and she runs smooth as silk. Depending on where you are, cold north area?, it could be the blend of gasoline that is being used in your area. Sometimes they put weird stuff in the gas in areas like Buffalo and Cleveland for the winter months. If the problem persists I would get insistent with the dealer. Suggest trying another M in a test drive and then see what you think.
  • bigmike5bigmike5 Posts: 960
    Mike-- that post of the photo of the M with the rear roof wing was at post 14,249. Don't know how that would translate if you wanted to call it up. It was posted on a CEC wheel company site so the Lorinser wheels are all one can get info on at that site. The Lorinser site is all in German and doesn't list the M just various Mercedes class cars. Probably too expensive anyway.
  • ski1001ski1001 Posts: 27
    I have a 2000 300M and had a rought idle complaint. The dealer said that there was a TSB and he adjusted. I have had no problem since then (about a year ago). I use mid range gas always.
  • sdmike2sdmike2 Posts: 2,909
    I'm assuming that you don't want to replace your exhaust system, just the tips, right? What you'll have to do is get the existing ones cut off either with a torch or a hack saw, and new ones welded on for you. Don't clamp them. Unless you have a welder in your garage you're going to require assistance from Midas or someone similar. :)

    Now, I don't remember if the stock system has one or two pipes running from the last muffler to the cut-out. If it's two you won't be able to use the tip that nc300m used. You'll have to find two smaller tips...one for each pipe...to fit in the cut-out. Also, the tips that michael uses are Monza Pacesetter tips, not Borla, and they only come in yellow. However, if you search around you can find similar in other colors (I've seen red and blue) by other manufacturers.

    Mike
  • lflowerslflowers Posts: 155
    I happened to be watching Primetime last night on ABC when they did a report on Chrysler Gen 3 seat belts. The problem they detailed is that the release button on the buckles just protrudes too high above the body of the buckle. This allows flying hands, elbows, etc. to accidentally release the belt during an accident. Not good! I looked at my 2000 M this morning and it has the Gen 3 for sure.The only possible saving grace in the M is that, for the front seat occupants, the location of the buckle between the seat and the console would make it difficult to hit accidentally. Not true for the rear seats however. I'm very concerned about my grandkids riding in the back seat now.
    Chrysler is denying that this is a problem at all, but an independent testing lab that ABC employed found that the Gen 3 belt failed the standard auto industry test 100% of the times they tried it. Chrysler has stopped using this belt on some of their vehicles, but still use it on others and still deny any problem. According to the ABC News website, these belts ARE still used on all 300Ms, even the 2002!
    I intend to look into what replacement belts might work for the back seat belts in my car. I'm not willing to wait to see if Chrysler does anything about this problem, not with my grandkids lives possibly at at stake! If I find any replacement belts that will work, I'll post the info.

    Lynn Flowers
    McKinney, Texas
  • sdmike2sdmike2 Posts: 2,909
    If you find a better picture I'd like to see it. I went to that site posted and saw the small picture, but going to the Lorinser site doesn't show a single thing about 300M accessories...only MB.
  • sdmike2sdmike2 Posts: 2,909
    I especially like the part where DC claims the seatbelts don't have a problem, but they quit putting them in the SUVs because of....PROBLEMS!
  • lflowerslflowers Posts: 155
    I was just reading over the ABC report and found a link to a website with a lot more info on this.

    check out: http://www.unsafebelts.com/


    Lynn Flowers

    McKinney, Texas

  • wire2wire2 Posts: 188
    >...larger wheels and tire generally
    >require more power to get them rolling.

    For a given car model, the tread diameter is virtually the same for all wheel sizes. Maximum tread diameter is determined by the clearance of the spring perch plate of the front struts. The larger wheels just mean less tire sidewall, (lower aspect ratio).
    In effect, some tire sidewall (rubber and steel wire) is replaced with aluminum spokes and spaces between them for an overall weight savings and therefore less unsprung weight.
    Here's one of many tire calculation programs available;
    www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
  • bigmike5bigmike5 Posts: 960
    If my wife sees that article on the Gen 3 belts and the jury verdict, she'll be telling me fasten the belt and then go drive as hard and fast as I can. Seriously, on my 99M my complaint with the belts, a topic which I wrote to DC about but got no response, was that they are a son of a gun to get to unlatch. I have to really push down hard on the release and try to take all tension off the belt to get it to release. The release does not rise above the edge of the latch on my M. I recommended by the way that DC go to the GM/airline style belt latch with the button in the middle of the latch. Never heard back from them guys in Product Improvement.
  • 300michael300michael Posts: 1,815
    I think the problem is when someone mentions wheels they think of the whole thing (tires and wheels). Wheels are just the rims, (metal part) diameter. The tires generally get smaller (sidewalls) as the wheels get larger. True it is harder to turn, as the diameter gets larger, but also the weight (larger rims) are also a factor.
  • 300michael300michael Posts: 1,815
    Sdmike said it, mine are Monza not Borla (I wish). Checker Auto discontinued them a year ago.
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