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Chrysler 300M

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  • pjyoungpjyoung Posts: 885
    The dealer orignially said it owuld be about $3,000 (including the towing charges). He dropped to a little over $2,200. I picked it up today - new tranny seems good...I did notice that it seems to have more "oomph" in the 50+ passing range. But there is some godawful sqeaking and squawking coming from the front end, so I'm taking it back in tomorrow and hoping that it's got something to do with the thing I just paid 2 grand to fix. The upside is, I've got a 3 year 36K mile "drivetrain" warranty now. And for the record, my dealer has been every one of his "5 stars". My problem right now is with Chrysler...not the dealership. They've been great. Keystone Chrysler in MIssion Kansas for anyone in the KC area.
  • Your car didn't have that 7 year power train warranty?
  • pjyoungpjyoung Posts: 885
    no...it was a 1999. I can't remember what year they decided to market the 7/70 warranty, but I plan on writing Chrysler and asking them what differences there are in the drivetrain of a 99 model and the drivetrain of the other models that would warrant no extended coverage for owners who bought 1999's without the incentive of a longer warranty. I don't plan on holding my breath for a favorable response, but you never know til you try.
  • Sorry to hear about your tranny. Yours is a real exception -- I haven't heard of 300M mechanical transmission failures.

    I wish you luck with Chrysler on the extended warranty issue. I have found DC to be very bureaucatic on these issues.

    When I bought my 2003 M to replace the 2000 M I had on lease, there literally was a $500 rebate form in the mail to me. It was a specific rebate to encourage existing customers to stay with DC. When I received the rebate form a few days after I bought the 2003 M, I sent a letter to DC asking them to honor the rebate as it was obviously sent to me to use for a new purchase. I got the Corporate response about how these rebates are regional responses to changing market conditions and were not retroactive to any prior sales.

    I stated in my letter to them that as a valued repeat DC customer (last 5 cars) that I would hope they would make an exception to maintain our relationship, but no dice. For $500 (that they were going to give to me anyway) they effectively terminated an ongoing relationship with me.

    Go figure!
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,720
    My '99 M sits in the lot here at work with 55,555 miles on the odometer. She's lookin'(when not covered in winter grime) and runnin' great (knock plood)! Still all original oem stuff, except for two newer Goodyears (up front) and, of course, all the sheetmetal from the doors forward courtesy of being backed over by a school bus!

    Although I still haven't seen one in the flesh, and while certainly not as handsome as our Ms, I think the 300C is growing on me... not the grille, though.

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • Good news that you got it fixed...about the squeak, well, I hope you get it resolved. I'm 16, wouldn't want that to happen to my 300M...Ouch, thanks for posting the pirce, I was always curious. That's a lot...but the 300M tranny is a beautiful piece of engineering in my opinion, handles the car and its size just perfectly! What kind of conditions did you put on the 300M tranny of yours pjyoung. Any racing? Any ideas from what it could have happened from?
  • Hey everyone. Hope you are all doing well. Just out of curiousity...whenever I drive the 300M and come to a stop, on AUTOSTICK, and I want to shift from 2nd gear to first, when I do it, the car seems to loose power and cut off...(1500 is the time I do downshift, or lower)...Am I just suposed to stop on 2nd gear and let the car change to first by itself? Any place where I can read about AUTOSTICK more? Thanks.
  • bigmike5bigmike5 Posts: 960
    I have been doing this for almost six years nowand here is my experience. I never downshift into first with the autostick unless I am barely moving like almost stopped at a light and it changes. Otherwise, you get a jolt as first grabs.I have found that as you slow down close to a stop sometimes it shifts to first on its own and sometimes it doesn't so I am always careful to check, although it is ok to start out in 2nd in most circumstances, but you don't get the big acceleration off the line if you do that. At least one other person who used to post here--Blonda--had the same experience with the autostick dropping into first sometimes and not doing so other times at a stop. Now I just am real careful about checking it when I stop. I have also found that if you are under load--going up an incline for instance, and you want to shift from 3rd to 4th, it will not do it until it is not under load. However, it is so smooth in 3rd, that sometimes I didn't notice that it hadn't upshifted, and the resulting downshift entering a corner or at a light resulted in an unintentional shift from 3rd to 1st instead of from 4th to 2nd. At 20 mph you can get a headbang on the steering wheel when 1st kicks in unexpectedly. You just have to be sure that the tranny has shifted up to 4th when you think it has, otherwise....
  • 55K miles on a 99? You must live really close to your work. That averages to 11 - 13K per year depending on when you got it. Lucky you! I just today rolled over to 20K on my '03 and I've only had it 14 months. The up-side is I get to enjoy driving my M a lot but the down-side is it's aging it waaaay faster than I want. I guess that's the price I have to pay for living so far
    from my job. But at least I have a great car to get there.
  • pjyoungpjyoung Posts: 885
    No racing. Yes, I used it's acceleration to get on freeways, but at 46, I'm a tad too old to be a street racer. And yes, I would cruise on the interstate at 80-90 - but I thought that's what it was designed to do. Bottom line, it was used as a good looking "go to work" car.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,720
    Yup. My weekly commute, including morning trips to daycare is around 220 miles. We're a two car family, so miles are distributed pretty evenly between the two. And it is a great car, which is why PJ's situation is even more depressing. I think, unfortunately, that his was the exception, not the rule.

    One of tha main bummers of winter in the northeast is a semi-constantly dirty car...

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • psterpster Posts: 293
    With $5500 in repairs on my 1999 300M I swore off Chrysler forever....but as they say "never say never". Although I think the front end of the new 300C just sucks, if they are offering the hemi V8 at $33/$34,000, that's enticing. But....I learned my lesson with first year Chrylsers and will likely stand by my conviction that even if I loved it, I won't do it unless the dealer "substantially discounts" a long term mechanical warranty. Because I realize there is another old saw..."once burned....". But I prefer to always keep my eys open to the possibilities of automotive redemption.
  • pjyoungpjyoung Posts: 885
    Picked it up today and all is well. But I do have to share this story with all of you, since I have seen references to "one star" or "no star" dealerships. The dealership who worked on my 300M's transmission is Keystone Chrysler in Mission Kansas. While I am not real pleased with Chrysler right now, the treatment from the dealership has been every bit of a 5 star experience. First, when I quoted him the AAmco price to replace the transmission over the phone, nothing in writing, he checked something, and within minutes, approved it to be done for that price. When I picked it up Wednesday and noticed a squeaking and squealing noise, I took it back Thursday morning. They weren't able to get to it Thursday, and they didn't have any loaner cars on the lot, so they called Enterprise rent a car and paid for a car for the night. Today, they called about one and told me it was ready...there apparently was a cover that got knocked and was rubbing by the brake rotors. So they pulled the wheels and inspected to brakes to insure that they were not damaged (they weren't). When the Enterprise folks dropped me off, the service manager was there...I asked if I needed to go to the cashier and he said, "Well, they have some paperwork they'd like you to sign...but I have your keys...so take it...it's yours."

    I don't know if I will buy another Chrysler...I had a bad experience with an 84 Dodge and didn't by another Mopar until 99. But we'll see...maybe my tranny was the exception - which from what I see on this board it is - but if I DO buy another Chrysler, there is no doubt in my mind where I will buy it. Kudos to Keystone.
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    I never used Autostick in my 300M to downshift from 2 to 1 when coming to a complete stop. It downshifts by itself just fine.
  • Pster,

    Don't do it; remember you have to look at it each morning when you walk out into the garage--it would be like marrying a woman whose appearance you couldn't stomach (I'm talking about buying the 300C). My unrequested advice is to go to your nearest Cadillac dealer and take the 3.6 CTS for a spin. It's a BMW 5 series for the price of a 3 series. Cadillac's bumper to bumper warranty is longer than DC, and GM quality leaves DC in the dust IMO. DMC is the only manufacturer I've heard of who can't even get their electric window motors right. Don't do it--it's too ugly to live with. You'll get ill and despise your life! OK, maybe I'm overstating a tad.
  • pjyoungpjyoung Posts: 885
    I know that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but the CTS, IMHO, is what some of my buddies might call a "two bagger", were they describing a woman. She may be able to cook like Emeril, but if she looks like Michael Jackson with all the sharp points all over, I dunno...I just don't think I could take her out.
  • Piyoung,

    I respect your opinion, but I'm curious--do you like the 300C look better than the CTS? Some people, myself included, have warmed up to the look of the CTS over time. My post was very opinionated and biased against the 300C, so I expect to get flamed a bit, unless most people just don't want to defend the 300Cs looks.

    My friend has an '02 Town and Country van that has had a lot of problems. She is going to sell it already for that reason. On the other hand I know someone at work who bought a Pacifica and likes it a lot. I'm curious to see if the Pacifica finally reaches the quality levels the DMC should be at. I'm surprised they're not out of business already with their quality problems from the past.
  • pjyoungpjyoung Posts: 885
    Try as I might to like the CTS, there are just way too many angles on that car for my tastes. I don't care for the front end on the 300C either. Both cars, IMHO are "two baggers". When the first photos of the 300C came out, I posted that I felt the front end was "truck like". It just doesn't lend itself a "sporty" look, while the CTS seems to try too hard to be "sporty" - the CTS reminds me of one of those "transformer" toys...the car that converts into a robot.
  • psterpster Posts: 293
    The prices Cadillac wants for its cars are outrageous for what are essentially guzzied up Chevrolets. I consider the CTS grossly overpriced, and it ain't winning any beauty contests itself.
  • I agree with all of you that don't really favor the 300C's new looks. First of all, I hate the fact that DC is going to offer it in different engine sizes etc. because I think that any car which has the "300" label on it deserves to be a powerful vehicle. People are going to be buying the less powerful engines and still be driving the 300, don't agree at all. The 300M was a beautiful car with the sexiest design ever. I'm only 16 but I remember looking at it for many years, starting since its original production year until 2002 when I got my very own 2002 300M Pro-AM Edition. The 300M has the "bulletproof" image and respect attached to it. As far as the 300C, it might be a very good car; however, DC has certainly made a huge leap and changed the cars image completely. It's an American vehicle trying to portray the image of a Bentley or something with the front end of a Truck...why didn't DC just put the front end of a Toyota Taundra, maybe it would look better. Overal, I still respect the 300C for what it is...However, it shouldn't have been crowned as the "300" because the real 300 was and still is the M. The C, doesn't, in no way, compare to the bulletproof vehicle DC made for quite a few years.
  • psterpster Posts: 293
    "The 300M has the "bulletproof" image and respect attached to it."

    There are those that would beg to differ:

    Mechanical problems experienced between 36-51K miles on 1999 300M with PH group (total owner cost out of pocket $5,500):

    Broken shift cable
    Two failed electric cooling fans
    Two failed window motors
    Failed, and continuing to fail, a/c compressor
    Leaking A/C system
    Failed steering pump
    Failed transmission speed sensor
    Catastrophic failure of transmission hydraulic pump (requiring call to Detroit to diagnose)

    Chrylser products are are all spit and shine and great design but have no legs. The experience of this driver.
  • pster-

    I bet you have spent less on your 1994 Toyota Camry LXE then you have on your 99 Chrysler.

    fastdriver
  • pster I respect everyone on this forum for their opinions and what they would like to say. However, my point which I was trying to make was that the 300C is in no way going to compare to the 300M. "Bulletproof" I would like to see the 300C survive the and beat the 300M's production years. They are already cheapening it out by the engine sizes, lowering the respect of the "300" badging so that even low-class people could afford it. The 300M was a "bulletproof" vehicle based on Design and it stood up for it's name. The 300C, well it will be "used" as a vehicle for entire society, the 300M had its dedicated owners and that's why it held its respect. As far as your mechanical problems...I don't want to offend anyone, however, we all drive Chrysler vehicles. This post might be removed, but everyone that does buy a Chrysler IS stupid. We all know we are driving American cars, I myself spent 32K being 16 on an American car when I could have easily spent it on a German car and received 100 more times reliablility and safety on a German car. Even though German cars have been receiving horrible ratings....I am sure that BMW, AUDI, Mercedes will have less problems than the 300M. You chose to drive an American car, so did I. We shouldn't complain. If we are getting problems, we made the decision to drive an unreliable American vehicle. We could have put that 30+ into a German investment, an import, and had much more reliability. My point that I am trying to make, the 300M is and will be "bulletproof." The 300C is in no way going to compare to the M, especially with its design and its packages which will attract the eyes of everyone. Those who drive the M, are a few, and only they know. I am just waiting to see the 300 image be ruined, and I am sick of it. Design wise, engineering wise, power wise, everything, no car can beat the 300M. And if you are bringing up problems and reliability...you choose to buy it, you knew what you were getting yourself into. It is bulletproof...no car can match what it offers in its price range, no car will live up to its fame, and with the 300C, they just killed it. The 300M is the grandfather, and it will always be respected as the grandfather that went through war and survived. As of the 300C, its a new grandson born in a new society and no one knows if it will have the courage to survive. P.S. Crossfire couldn't keep up with me on the freeway, going on an onramp at a red meter, 300M broke off, Crossfire passed, 300M took it in a matter of seconds.
  • No need to bring the image of 300M's with the problems you received. Its a matter of taking care of the car, my mom's first car was a 1991 Dodge Dynasty and we still drive it until this day, powerful, problem free. All the people that have driven that car and owned it, they've already stated to me that they threw away the car years ago. Cars brake some dont, some stay well if they are treated great, some just give out unexpectedly. No reason to tarnish DC or 300M by any of our problems, cars work, they break. People work, they get heart attacks, they die. Even if they are healthy the day before.
  • bigmike5bigmike5 Posts: 960
    Just my .02. When I saw the 300C after having a 300M for 5 years I was aghast. The boxy shape reminded me of a 60's-70's MB diesel that the soldiers used to bring back from tours in Europe, but with the addition of a 60's Studebaker Lark grill. There is no way on God's green earth that the design of that 300C would tempt this old man to buy one, Hemi or no Hemi. If I wanted a Park Avenue, I'd have bought one instead of the M. Oh, and I notice that the new Kia sedan stole the design appearance in short order and is already on the street. Mark my words, the 300C will rocket out of dealerships just like the Pacifica--slowly, real slowly. 0% for 48 and a $2K rebate bonus on top anyone?
  • ...what that faint motor sound is that you hear when you get in your 300M while the engine is off. Its a small electric fan motor in the AC control module that blows air on the inside temp thermistor. I would always hear it while cleaning out the interior or doing the windows. I assumed this motor was running all the time! According to the service manual, it is supposed to come on and run for 1 to 2 minutes whenever a door is opened or closed and then shut off. This has been bugging me for quite some time and thought I'd let the rest of the world know... ITS OK!
  • I think the 300 will move quicker than the Pacifica, if only because there will be $23,000 C's from the start, and the cheapest Pacificas were close to $40,000.

    I agree that stylewise, the 300M beats the 300 hands down. And with the 300M, there will always be exclusivety; something the 300 will never attain. And resale values will sink to Intrepid levels.

    For these reasons, the 300 does not appeal to me. However, having said this, DC may do well volume-wise on their "one size fits all" strategy. And they may keep their costs down using the same sheet metal and platform for each of their full size sedans.

    It's just not for me.
  • I agree with a lot of your comments in your postings. However, the gaps in reliability have been narrowing significantly over the years. Many of the reliability surveys have Chrysler ahead of Mercedes.

    Generally, the only clear leader is usually Lexus -- it's a crapshoot after that.

    Anyway, as I once posted, I would rather spend 3-5 years with a car that excited me than 8-10 years with a car that bored me...
  • Also decided to add my .02 about my first Chrysler product. I have had my 2000M for 31/2 years, 40,000 miles and (knock on wood) experienced no problems. I have had 20 different cars (mostly new GM)over the 40 years I have been driving and this is the best I have ever had. I usually by this time want to start looking for something new but I still love this car!! First time I didn't want to trade after a couple of years. Just my opinion. I also agree that the new 300C is not a REAL 300 car.
  • The new 300 will be a success for CHrysler. It won't come close to the disaster that the Pacifica has been thus far due to the ambitious pricing. The wide variety of trim levels will allow it to far outsell the 300M. I agree the Chysler s making a mistake if they really want to take the brand upscale. They should have left the stripped down models to Dodge. I am a car snob but not so big of a snob that I wouldn't buy a $35k 300C because my neighbor has a $23k version.
    Re: styling, love/hate styling seems to be Chrysler's forte. Boxy styling is nothing new and has seen success in recent years. The 300 is edgy and daring. This will appeal to many but not all of course. The C, just like with the M, will be a case of bang for the buck. What other large car offers what it does for @ $35k? The boring new Ford 500? You'll have to drop down to a midsize to find something comparable.
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