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Toyota Venza Tires

I have standard Goodyear Eagle RSA tires on my 09 Venza V6 FWD (bought new in March 2010). I love the 20" tires but . . . . has anyone else experienced less than ideal handling in any amounts of snow or slush? I've had multiple vehicles over the years and have had ok handling in snow or better. This year has at least been normal here in Iowa, but this is the first winter for me driving the Venza and the handling has been so bad, that I'm either thinking of spending the money to get snow tires or just trading it in, taking my losses and get something else. I've white knuckled so many driving experiences, experiences that are normal winter driving here in Iowa (I'm 40 + years old and have lived in Iowa all my life, no stranger to winter driving), that I cringe when they talk snow. Is it just me, is it just the 20" tires on this vehicle, or is it the Goodyear tires, or is it Venza's as a whole?
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  • otolaotola Posts: 7
    Hi Sacha -

    Like more of us lurking in the background, we are due replacing our car and the Venza is high on my list. I am considering the V6 but I have a real problem with the mandatory 20" wheels which are just (way) too big. I do hope that Toyota will change its mind and provide an option to "downgrade" to 19" or 18" which is much more suitable for this car, as attested by the 4 cylinder. Perhaps you can stress that to Toyota management...

    Thanks!
  • Thank you for the feedback about Venza. I'm taking notes here, and will pass along your concerns about the standard 20" wheels on the V6 and check to see if 19" wheels (standard on the 4-cylinder) are available for the V6 or will be in the future.

    Best,

    Sacha
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    For an "SUV", especially with F/awd wherein one more likely has the expectation of encountering adverse roadbed conditions, a 16" wheel, 17" MAX, with a tall sidewall tire and therefore a larger CSA contact patch would be a much more appropriate selection.

    Is the wheel cost, $$, so much less than tire rubber that the Toyota beancounters are now dictating the safety factors to be built into your vehicles...??

    Personally I would advise anyone driving this vehicle in wintertime adverse roadbed conditions to abandon those large wheels in favor of a smaller wheel and the appropriate wintertime tire tread to increase the safety factor.
  • jerryg3jerryg3 Posts: 2
    Hi Sacha,

    Please don't make recommendations on the 20" wheels based on a few discordant opinions (they probably will never be happy with anything, so don't let them ruin it for the rest). The 20" wheels are awesome and they're one of the main reasons I bought my Venza!
  • kenymkenym Posts: 405
    I think the 20' wheels look great.But do they make a snow tire in 19" or 20", and what would they cost? I live in Northeast Ohio where the winters are very cold and snowy. I am retired and really can't afford to have two complete set of tires. You couldn't have 17" or 18" snow tire on the front and the 19" or 20" tires in the rear so you would have to have two complete set of wheels..

    My neighbor replaced his 17" wheels with 22" wheels on his Chevy Blazer and it effected his speedometer by 3 or 4 miles per hour. I would assume going the other way ( larger wheels to smaller wheels ) would effect the speedometer the same way. This would also effect your mileage and warranty so I am not sure you would even want to do this anyway.
  • deepsouthdeepsouth Posts: 30
    Hear Hear, I second that motion!!!
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    A plus or minus sized wheel/tire combination does not necessarily have an affect on odometer or speedometer accurracy, it depends on how closely you can match the running circumference of the new size with the OEM combination.

    My '01 F/awd RX300 got upgraded to 1.5" wheel spacers all around, 17X8 wheels and the appropriate +1 tire shortly after purchase. Wider tread, more CSA, wider stance against rollover, and space for the use of rear tire chains instead of the patently UNSAFE tire chain method recommended, and limited too, by Toyota/Lexus. No discernable lack of accurracy of the odo or speedo in comparison to the GPS/Nav.

    A larger wheel will almost always dictate a lower/shorter sidewall and that not only results in less traction but a stiffer ride unless the spring rate is lowered. What I was suggesting is a smaller wheel along with winter treads since ANY tire tread on a larger wheel will yeild less traction in wintertime conditions, conditions for which you bought a F/awd equipped vehicle.
  • md_outbackmd_outback Posts: 185
    Hey kenym,
    Checkout the tirerack.com as a good source for tires. They show a couple of 20 inch Blizzak winter tires, but they cost $240+ each. You are correct that you need to maintain overall tire diameter when changing wheel size or it will mess up your speedometer, odometer, cruise control and a few other sensors. Here is a nifty web site that calculates equivalent tire & wheel sizes link title (or copy & paste http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html if the link doesn't work). This will show that 245/50-20 and 245/55-19 and 245/60-18 all have the same 29.6 inch diameter. Just be careful when changing wheels to make sure they are compatible with your vehicle. And always use four matching tires, especially with winter tires - they are just as important for braking as they are for accelerating. In the past, I bought used wheels from tirerack and they mounted winter tires on them. That way, I saved money and was able to switch tires as the seasons changed.
  • linersliners Posts: 19
    I third that motion. 20 inch wheels are a hit!
  • bobgwtwbobgwtw Posts: 187
    Wait till you have to replace the 20"er's & see how happy you are then.
  • anry555anry555 Posts: 9
    and what? 120$ per tire...
  • roho1roho1 Posts: 317
    I vote against 20"ers. They are not practicable for northern climates. Toyota should offer an alternative. Not everyone likes the new trend to hideously over sized wheels.
  • otolaotola Posts: 7
    That is my point. Keep 20" wheels for those who want to drive those oversized things but for the V6 at least make an option available to use a 19" or even 18". Then we can all pick what we want.
  • jerryg3jerryg3 Posts: 2
    Can't pay, don't buy the car, you probably can't afford it anyway.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,206
    The issue seems to be lack of choice and the reviews on available replacement tires are reportedly poor here and on the Tire Rack reviews. The same issue has come up about the Highlander. It's not a money issue, not that would give you any reason to attack someone on our forums anyway.

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  • volkovvolkov Posts: 1,302
    Running winter wheels instead of just the tires do involve a small upfront cost, but save money after about 2 years - it depends how long you'll keep the vehicle. The difference is that with wheels, you can do the change yourself for nothing if you are slightly mechanically inclined, or certain tire stores such as Costco will offer free tire rotations for life when you buy tires. Costco (here anyway)consider mounting winter wheels the same as rotation. Compare that to the $60-$80 you have to pay each time to mount and balance the summer/winter tires twice a year and the issue of increased wear and tear on alloy rims from repeated changeovers.
  • kenymkenym Posts: 405
    That's a good point. However what's the cost of a set of 19 or 20" rims and do they even offer a snow tire in the low profile tires?
  • I'm glad the 20" wheels are appealing to you! I'll pass along your feedback as well!
  • volkovvolkov Posts: 1,302
    That's the point - run smaller wheels (as long as they clear the brakes) with higher profile winter tires. We've done that with our last 4 cars. All with the blessing of our dealers.
    If you are trying to make the other side of the argument, namely, "Why produce an AWD crossover that cannot easily be fitted with winter tires that don't cost a fortune?" then I do agree completely.
  • kenymkenym Posts: 405
    When my neighbors son replaced his 17" wheels with 22" wheels on his Chevy Trail Blazer it effected his speedometer by 3 or 4 miles per hour which also effected the odometer. Which I would assume would also effect the warranty. Did you have the same problem when you went to smaller wheels?
  • bobgwtwbobgwtw Posts: 187
    What about like $220.?
  • bobgwtwbobgwtw Posts: 187
    Kind of a smart mouth, aren't you. As for ability to pay, already own 06 & 08 Avalon's. Might or might not buy the Venza; It's on my list to replace the 06 Avalon with 136,000 trouble free miles on it, but not real high on the list after driving it. It's not about affordability, It's all about value. Incidentally, what car do you drive & when Are you going to buy your Venza?
  • qs933qs933 Posts: 302
    The issue seems to be lack of choice and the reviews on available replacement tires are reportedly poor here and on the Tire Rack reviews. The same issue has come up about the Highlander.

    That's a misleading statement regarding the 20" tire. It's been stated multiple times: look at the options on tirerack.com. There are 8 replacement tire choices from 5 manufacturers ranging from a mediocre $99 Goodyear to a $268 Michelin (ironically, Toyota uses both for OEM). The others are in between. That's not exactly the "debacle" some have made it out to be.

    On the other hand, the Venza 4-cyl and Highlander 19" tire (245/55-19) has only one replacement at tirerack.com at $172 each. I think the complaint about a lack of replacement options here is justified.

    Looking at the Highlander's 17" tire (245/65-17), there are 51 choices. However, the cheapest -- a Firestone -- is $96 each. So the assumption that a smaller tire size (or more choices) leads to vastly cheaper replacements is not necessarily true.

    I'll also add: I like the 20" wheels on my Venza. :)

    Regarding the opinion that Toyota should have made a range of wheel sizes optional, that takes us back to trying to please everyone like the domestic auto makers tried with a thousand different option configurations. That's inefficient and expensive. The 20s won't please everyone, but Toyota went out on a limb and I'm glad they did.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,206
    look at the options on tirerack.com

    That's an interesting metric. There's 35 tires available at Tire Rack for my '99 minivan. There are 36 for my '97 wagon. Prices run from $50 to $128.

    We've tire-kicked the FWD Matrix for a while now. The '09 Matrix offers two OEM sizes for the S FWD version. There's 150 tires available for it in the 205/55-16 size, starting around $62. And there's 64 available in the 215/45-17 size. The Matrix has been around for what, six years now?

    8 is better than a couple of options, but how long should you expect to wait for a couple of dozen replacement tire options? And will the larger tire size always limit your options?

    My '82 Tercel that I drove for 17 years had 13" tires and I remember replacing the whole set for well under $200, mounted, balanced, etc. Of course, Tire Rack carries zero tires that would fit it. :)

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  • qs933qs933 Posts: 302
    There's 35 tires available at Tire Rack for my '99 minivan. There are 36 for my '97 wagon. Prices run from $50 to $128.

    And that's great. If someone wants to make a buying decision between a '99 minivan and an '09 Venza based on the available number of tire replacement options, then I'd agree: the minivan wins.

    My point is that the concerns about the replacement cost of the 20" tire should be driven by facts and not assumptions that the huge tire will be way more expensive than a smaller tire.
  • roho1roho1 Posts: 317
    The advocates of the 20" tire are nay saying cost and availability justifying their stance seemingly because they like the "look". First off, I hate the look. To me this is just a fad(I won't go down that path to avoid offending some) and am surprised Toyota has gone in that direction.

    I could be persuaded to adopt these over sized tires as acceptable if I could see what the advantage is. However in all the discussion I have not seen anyone explain what the benefits of these low profile oversize rims have including Toyota. The tires and rims are one of most important part of a vehicle for safety, ride quality and affordable replacement.

    Advocates please list the actual benefits over a conventional size wheel and tire for all here, Sell me, thanks.
  • otolaotola Posts: 7
    There is no benefit to having 20" tires over 19" other than the oversized look; in fact, the ride quality gets worse. Just give those who want the V6 the option to choose between them rather than pushing the oversized wheels. I just don't get that - they have the 19" so it's not that they have to design a new set.

    Cost is less important to me, tires seem to last quite a long time and regular maintenance costs are so high alraedy that that issue is relatively unimportant to me (I don't need snow tires). But ride quality is very important to me.
  • ecotrklvrecotrklvr Posts: 519
    The engineers that designed the Venza could have designed it for a more widely available tire size, but didn't. Most people, engineers and consumers alike, have never experienced the huge improvement in ride quality, traction, and noise that a really good set of tires can make. Many of us have, and we are concerned that Toyota has, perhaps unwittingly, blocked us from doing that.

    I have all but written off the Venza 4-cylinder because of this. Michelin may add this size this summer. So, I'm now waiting for the 2010 Subaru Outback, although the Hyundai Elantra Sport may be a less-expensive option. The Matrix is smoother and quieter, but the Hyundai drives with a taut feel that the Matrix doesn't have.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,206
    Please talk about Venza tires in here. Replacements, upgrades, winter tires, new rims, etc.

    TPMS questions are welcome too.

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  • The lower the sidewall on a tire means less roll or sway on sharp turns.maybe toyota wanted this to get a good rating on rollover at speed.
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