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Honda CR-V Road Noise

ksayersksayers Posts: 59
edited December 2013 in Honda
I have no issue with Honda reliability. However, Honda's are plagued with road noise. My wifes 2007 Pilot is horrid. Noise is fed through the tires and suspension, through the chassis to the interior. It's not wind noise. It's not tires. Listening to the radio is useless.

We are looking at acquiring another vehicle. Is there any Honda that is not plagued with this problem? Toyota doesn't have the issue. Insights appreciated.
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  • Amen- my 2010 CR-V is the same. :(
  • ds1392ds1392 Posts: 1
    Honda does have some road noise. They concentrate and spend the money on good gas mileage, great road feel (compared to Toyota), durability and a reasonable price. I do think it is a combination of a few things. It is wind noise and most of the OEM tires are noisy. I'm guessing the Acura models have less noise. You pay for that also. I do think a liberal dose of sound deadening material would go a long way. Maybe some thicker material would help(and add weight). Honda needs to address this issue. A note: My Toyota Venza has some wind noise that stands out in a otherwise quiet car. It weighs quite a bit more than my CRV.
  • oldbearcatoldbearcat Posts: 165
    I have a 2010 CRV, and, I wish they'd spend a little more money to make the things get better gas Mileage. If I drive it at interstate speeds, the fuel economy just isn't that good. Mine is really noisy as well.

    Regards:
    Oldbearcat
  • toledo73toledo73 Posts: 58
    You are correct. No idea why Honda cannot address this issue. It is prominent with all of their vehicles. The addition of insulation would have no impact on handling. The handling of my Highlander is great, sure not as precise as CRV. But it is smooth and very quiest. Look at Toyota.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    Insulation adds weight and costs. Some of us don't care if we are isolated from the vehicle or the road. Some people prefer to know exactly what is happening with the car. If you drive stick, engine noise is a good indicator of when to shift, rather than looking at the tachometer.

    Generally, people who like being isolated don't go for Honda, they usually go for Buicks and Toyotas, the driving appliances.
  • ksayersksayers Posts: 59
    I would have to disagree. It's not a matter or wanting to be isolated, rather, of being tired of hearing road noise. The weight excuse is marginal. Toyota does it, Subaru, Ford... and they often get just a good gas mileage as Honda.

    The problem is not tires or wind noise. This is an across-the-board design issue with Honda products that taints an otherwise fine vehicle. The issue could be resolved with insulation in the interior, isolation pads between major body components, bushing and strut isolation... lots of opportunities.

    As it is, people spend -$1-2K to have some "professional" tear out their interior and install what should already be there. Gawd... Kia, Hundai, Buick, VW... they all have solved it. Except for... Honda.

    enjoy,
  • toledo73toledo73 Posts: 58
    Don't feel isolated in the least, just feel comfortable. Have owned Civic, CRV and Accord. All very noisy. Go drive a Nissan Rogue, excellent handling and very quiet. I'm not expecting hundreds of pounds of insulation. By nature, insulation is very light.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,593
    Honda has long been critized for road noise but I honestly believe that some people maye WAY too big of a deal about it.

    Yeah, if you want to focus on it you can certainly hear it although it isn't THAT much more than other cars. I had two customers bring decibel meters and compare Hondas to Toyotas and both agreed that there wasn't that much of a difference. not nearly as much of a difference as the Toyota salespeople would have you believe.

    Honda did "something" in 2010 to make CRV's quietier. We all noticed the difference immediatly. We own a 2003 and a 2011 and there is quite a difference although neither of us find the 2003 to be objectionable.

    I sometimes think that Honda tries to buy the noisiest tires they can find and tires make a huge difference. There is also a product called Dynamat that makes a big difference too.

    It has to be remembered that what bothers one person is of no little concern to others.
  • lzclzc Posts: 483
    Agree. Hondas tend to be noisier than its competitors. When I changed tires on my CR-V I noticed an improvement, though. Still, if you're sensitive to noise, get a Lexus.
  • blackexv6blackexv6 Posts: 490
    We just bought a 2011 CRV SE and don't find any objectionable road noise. Actually cross shopping the Hyundai Tuscon we found to have more tire noise.

    After owning Honda cars since 2002 this CRV is the first without objectionable road noise.

    2000 Odyssey, 2003 Accord, 2006 Odyssey, 2008 Accord, 2010 Pilot all had elevated levels of road noise above competitors. The 2010 Pilot was by far the worst with the truck tires.
  • toledo73toledo73 Posts: 58
    Yes, Motor Trends latest reviews of SUV's is very critical of Pilot road noise.
  • ksayersksayers Posts: 59
    I will be in acquiring a vehicle in the near term. As previously noted, my experience with my wifes Pilot was revealing. Apologists will note tires and wind noise. Tires may give you a minor 10% reduction... maybe... and wind noise is not road noise (there is the same amount of wind on an asphalt road as a concrete road). Why have a radio if you can't listen to it? There really is no excuse for this long term, well established problem. I would like to tell Honda engineers to go talk to Ford or Chrysler or Toyota or anyone about how to do it. That might embarass them into acknowledging the issue. This is nothing esoteric and has been accomplished for d-e-c-a-d-e-s.

    As it is, and as much as I would like to get a CR-V based on my otherwise fine experience with the Pilot, everything is now pointing to a Subaru Outback or RAV4. Quality on all 3 is equal (a good thing). All have slight benefits over each other in one form or another (pick one...). Mileage is similar.

    Competition is good. Honda just happens to be losing this particular competition (my sale)... due to something that could be resolved but isn't being resolved for reasons that are not readily apparent.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,141
    Have you driven all 3 of those? I think the noise and ride are all fairly similar in the current models, and Subaru's often get worse mileage. I think sometimes people generalize the CRV noise based on the older versions. I believe you really need to move up to cars like Highlander or Traverse if noise and ride is your main concern and decision parameter.
  • ksayersksayers Posts: 59
    Yes, have driven them, 2011's. The CR-V is plagued with severe road noise as Hondas have been for the past decade. Very reliable and noisy tin cans. The Toyota has the least noise with the Subaru not far behind.

    All three are reliable vehicles. Honda is simply losing customers based on their choice of ignoring a known product issue.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,593
    edited May 2011
    I have to totally disagree with you.

    I sold Hondas for almost 14 years and while I certainly do agree with you that road noise has been an issue, I really believe it isn't THAT bad when compared to the other cars you mentioned as well as others.

    I have had customers bring decible meters on test drives after doing the same with other cars. In some cases noise levels were the same and int he cases where Hondas were louder, the differences were slight.

    Most of the comments about noise come from the salespeople in competive stores. " If you decide to drive a CRV, be sure to bring ear plugs"

    But, I agree, Hondas can be noisier than other cars in their classes.

    We have owned three CRV's. A 2000, a 2003 that we still have, and a 2011.

    The 2011 is MUCH quietier than the 2003. It does NOT have "severe road noise" and for some unexplained reason is markedely quieter than a 2010.

    Hona does need to continue their work but I think if you do the decimal meter test you'll be surprised.

    And, even the noisiest of Hondas didn't seem to bother most shoppers. Some people are simply more sensitive.

    The Toyota may be a bit quietier but can't compare in the handling catagory and the Subaru will get worse gas mileage.
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    This is an historic and classic Honda problem. They are regularly beaten up by the auto test magazines on this issue and Consumer Reports gigs them on it on every model. Yet Honda ignores the issue and keeps on producing loud cars. I nearly bought an Accord a few years ago, but told the salesman that the car was simply too loud. Same with Acura. Until people start complaining by not buying these otherwise fine cars, Honda will gaff us off.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,141
    You may find the Honda noise unacceptable, but looking at CRV sales volume and position, most consumers don't seem to be agreeing, otherwise the sales would be much lower by now. CU overall rates CRV pretty high.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,593
    That's because they have to pick on SOMETHING so they cite road noise.

    Yes, the recent models are much quietier.

    Yes, Honda needs to continue working on this.

    And, yes, a lot of this is overblown. Hondas aren't THAT much noisier than other cars.

    Tires make a big difference. It seems like Honda buys the noisiest tires they can find!
  • ksayersksayers Posts: 59
    Apologies but I would have to respectfully disagree. If tires were the answer then a lot of people would have simply gone out and bought "quiet" tires. I swapped out the garbage tires my Pilot came with after 10K miles. The Michelins were quieter if I used my imagination. And... noisy tires would sound "noisy" on concrete, asphalt, a little bit of everything. Oddly, my tires a semi-quiet on smooth asphalt and very noisy on anything else. Of course my 4Runner, with M+S tires is more quiet than my Honda on any surface even though the Toyota is 10 years older. Hummm.... I do hope they are working on "it". As it is, they are simply losing business to alternatives.
  • ksayersksayers Posts: 59
    said like a honda salesman...
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