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Honda CR-V Road Noise

ksayersksayers Posts: 59
edited December 2013 in Honda
I have no issue with Honda reliability. However, Honda's are plagued with road noise. My wifes 2007 Pilot is horrid. Noise is fed through the tires and suspension, through the chassis to the interior. It's not wind noise. It's not tires. Listening to the radio is useless.

We are looking at acquiring another vehicle. Is there any Honda that is not plagued with this problem? Toyota doesn't have the issue. Insights appreciated.
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  • Amen- my 2010 CR-V is the same. :(
  • ds1392ds1392 Posts: 1
    Honda does have some road noise. They concentrate and spend the money on good gas mileage, great road feel (compared to Toyota), durability and a reasonable price. I do think it is a combination of a few things. It is wind noise and most of the OEM tires are noisy. I'm guessing the Acura models have less noise. You pay for that also. I do think a liberal dose of sound deadening material would go a long way. Maybe some thicker material would help(and add weight). Honda needs to address this issue. A note: My Toyota Venza has some wind noise that stands out in a otherwise quiet car. It weighs quite a bit more than my CRV.
  • oldbearcatoldbearcat Posts: 170
    I have a 2010 CRV, and, I wish they'd spend a little more money to make the things get better gas Mileage. If I drive it at interstate speeds, the fuel economy just isn't that good. Mine is really noisy as well.

    Regards:
    Oldbearcat
  • toledo73toledo73 Posts: 58
    You are correct. No idea why Honda cannot address this issue. It is prominent with all of their vehicles. The addition of insulation would have no impact on handling. The handling of my Highlander is great, sure not as precise as CRV. But it is smooth and very quiest. Look at Toyota.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    Insulation adds weight and costs. Some of us don't care if we are isolated from the vehicle or the road. Some people prefer to know exactly what is happening with the car. If you drive stick, engine noise is a good indicator of when to shift, rather than looking at the tachometer.

    Generally, people who like being isolated don't go for Honda, they usually go for Buicks and Toyotas, the driving appliances.
  • ksayersksayers Posts: 59
    I would have to disagree. It's not a matter or wanting to be isolated, rather, of being tired of hearing road noise. The weight excuse is marginal. Toyota does it, Subaru, Ford... and they often get just a good gas mileage as Honda.

    The problem is not tires or wind noise. This is an across-the-board design issue with Honda products that taints an otherwise fine vehicle. The issue could be resolved with insulation in the interior, isolation pads between major body components, bushing and strut isolation... lots of opportunities.

    As it is, people spend -$1-2K to have some "professional" tear out their interior and install what should already be there. Gawd... Kia, Hundai, Buick, VW... they all have solved it. Except for... Honda.

    enjoy,
  • toledo73toledo73 Posts: 58
    Don't feel isolated in the least, just feel comfortable. Have owned Civic, CRV and Accord. All very noisy. Go drive a Nissan Rogue, excellent handling and very quiet. I'm not expecting hundreds of pounds of insulation. By nature, insulation is very light.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,665
    Honda has long been critized for road noise but I honestly believe that some people maye WAY too big of a deal about it.

    Yeah, if you want to focus on it you can certainly hear it although it isn't THAT much more than other cars. I had two customers bring decibel meters and compare Hondas to Toyotas and both agreed that there wasn't that much of a difference. not nearly as much of a difference as the Toyota salespeople would have you believe.

    Honda did "something" in 2010 to make CRV's quietier. We all noticed the difference immediatly. We own a 2003 and a 2011 and there is quite a difference although neither of us find the 2003 to be objectionable.

    I sometimes think that Honda tries to buy the noisiest tires they can find and tires make a huge difference. There is also a product called Dynamat that makes a big difference too.

    It has to be remembered that what bothers one person is of no little concern to others.
  • lzclzc Posts: 483
    Agree. Hondas tend to be noisier than its competitors. When I changed tires on my CR-V I noticed an improvement, though. Still, if you're sensitive to noise, get a Lexus.
  • blackexv6blackexv6 Posts: 490
    We just bought a 2011 CRV SE and don't find any objectionable road noise. Actually cross shopping the Hyundai Tuscon we found to have more tire noise.

    After owning Honda cars since 2002 this CRV is the first without objectionable road noise.

    2000 Odyssey, 2003 Accord, 2006 Odyssey, 2008 Accord, 2010 Pilot all had elevated levels of road noise above competitors. The 2010 Pilot was by far the worst with the truck tires.
  • toledo73toledo73 Posts: 58
    Yes, Motor Trends latest reviews of SUV's is very critical of Pilot road noise.
  • ksayersksayers Posts: 59
    I will be in acquiring a vehicle in the near term. As previously noted, my experience with my wifes Pilot was revealing. Apologists will note tires and wind noise. Tires may give you a minor 10% reduction... maybe... and wind noise is not road noise (there is the same amount of wind on an asphalt road as a concrete road). Why have a radio if you can't listen to it? There really is no excuse for this long term, well established problem. I would like to tell Honda engineers to go talk to Ford or Chrysler or Toyota or anyone about how to do it. That might embarass them into acknowledging the issue. This is nothing esoteric and has been accomplished for d-e-c-a-d-e-s.

    As it is, and as much as I would like to get a CR-V based on my otherwise fine experience with the Pilot, everything is now pointing to a Subaru Outback or RAV4. Quality on all 3 is equal (a good thing). All have slight benefits over each other in one form or another (pick one...). Mileage is similar.

    Competition is good. Honda just happens to be losing this particular competition (my sale)... due to something that could be resolved but isn't being resolved for reasons that are not readily apparent.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,159
    Have you driven all 3 of those? I think the noise and ride are all fairly similar in the current models, and Subaru's often get worse mileage. I think sometimes people generalize the CRV noise based on the older versions. I believe you really need to move up to cars like Highlander or Traverse if noise and ride is your main concern and decision parameter.
  • ksayersksayers Posts: 59
    Yes, have driven them, 2011's. The CR-V is plagued with severe road noise as Hondas have been for the past decade. Very reliable and noisy tin cans. The Toyota has the least noise with the Subaru not far behind.

    All three are reliable vehicles. Honda is simply losing customers based on their choice of ignoring a known product issue.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,665
    edited May 2011
    I have to totally disagree with you.

    I sold Hondas for almost 14 years and while I certainly do agree with you that road noise has been an issue, I really believe it isn't THAT bad when compared to the other cars you mentioned as well as others.

    I have had customers bring decible meters on test drives after doing the same with other cars. In some cases noise levels were the same and int he cases where Hondas were louder, the differences were slight.

    Most of the comments about noise come from the salespeople in competive stores. " If you decide to drive a CRV, be sure to bring ear plugs"

    But, I agree, Hondas can be noisier than other cars in their classes.

    We have owned three CRV's. A 2000, a 2003 that we still have, and a 2011.

    The 2011 is MUCH quietier than the 2003. It does NOT have "severe road noise" and for some unexplained reason is markedely quieter than a 2010.

    Hona does need to continue their work but I think if you do the decimal meter test you'll be surprised.

    And, even the noisiest of Hondas didn't seem to bother most shoppers. Some people are simply more sensitive.

    The Toyota may be a bit quietier but can't compare in the handling catagory and the Subaru will get worse gas mileage.
  • pearlpearl Posts: 336
    This is an historic and classic Honda problem. They are regularly beaten up by the auto test magazines on this issue and Consumer Reports gigs them on it on every model. Yet Honda ignores the issue and keeps on producing loud cars. I nearly bought an Accord a few years ago, but told the salesman that the car was simply too loud. Same with Acura. Until people start complaining by not buying these otherwise fine cars, Honda will gaff us off.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,159
    You may find the Honda noise unacceptable, but looking at CRV sales volume and position, most consumers don't seem to be agreeing, otherwise the sales would be much lower by now. CU overall rates CRV pretty high.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,665
    That's because they have to pick on SOMETHING so they cite road noise.

    Yes, the recent models are much quietier.

    Yes, Honda needs to continue working on this.

    And, yes, a lot of this is overblown. Hondas aren't THAT much noisier than other cars.

    Tires make a big difference. It seems like Honda buys the noisiest tires they can find!
  • ksayersksayers Posts: 59
    Apologies but I would have to respectfully disagree. If tires were the answer then a lot of people would have simply gone out and bought "quiet" tires. I swapped out the garbage tires my Pilot came with after 10K miles. The Michelins were quieter if I used my imagination. And... noisy tires would sound "noisy" on concrete, asphalt, a little bit of everything. Oddly, my tires a semi-quiet on smooth asphalt and very noisy on anything else. Of course my 4Runner, with M+S tires is more quiet than my Honda on any surface even though the Toyota is 10 years older. Hummm.... I do hope they are working on "it". As it is, they are simply losing business to alternatives.
  • ksayersksayers Posts: 59
    said like a honda salesman...
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,665
    I'm not a Honda salesman. I retired last May and I really don't care!

    If a person is really THAT sensitive about a slight difference in road noise than they serouly should buy something else.

    Tires DO make a difference and I speak from experience with our 2003 CRV.
  • I took a 200 mile trip today in my CR-V and it was the most miserable trip ever. The road noise is unbearable. I am not sure what other cars people are comparing it to but I can assure this group, the Honda is noiser than any car I have had at any price by a factor of 10. It really should be a "lemon" issue as road noise has been solved a long time ago.

    Durable and reliable, yes, but there is no way I will ever buy a Honda again unless this is fixed. It is a disgrace that they have such shoddy work on this particular part of the vehicle.

    I can barely think in the car and I had the onset of a headache it was so loud. Is there any tire I can buy to fix this. NEVER BUY A HONDA UNTIL YOU ARE SURE THIS IS FIXED. :lemon:
  • ksayersksayers Posts: 59
    Kevin... the two I am debating over (since you asked what people are comparing to the CRV) are the Toyota RAV4 and Subaru Outback. Both have items that may or may not suit all buyers (RAV4's side hinge rear, for example) but both are superior to the CRV if your on a trip more than 30 miles.

    Do NOT believe the "it's the tires" scam. It's not. Neither is it "wind noise". As a 2004 Honda owner I can tell you both excuses are bogus. This is a design defect, a failure to isolate the suspension from the frame/chassis. Honda knows it. They just decline to do anything about it. And I take my checkbook elsewhere.
  • oldbearcatoldbearcat Posts: 170
    I had the same problem with my 2010. It got so noisy that it drove me nuts. Finally I discovered that the rear suspension had gone out of line and that the rear tires were cupped. I had the car aligned and replaced the rear tires. This quieted the car down some.

    Regards:
    Oldbearcat
  • rikrikardorikrikardo Posts: 23
    I just took a 600 mile road trip (mostly interstate) from St. Louis to Chicago and back in my wife's 2008 CR-V EX-L and had the exact opposite experience. This was the first time since she bought it new that the CR-V was on a long road trip. We recently had replaced the OEM tires with Michelin Latitude Tour tires, bought in part because of their reputed low road noise. The driving experience was solid, the ride smooth, and the noise well below acceptable at 74 mph (cruise control). My 2004 MDX should be so quiet. There was some kind of tire harmonic at 79 mph but this passed away quickly. So I give two thumbs up to this tire-vehicle combination.
  • I agree. I have a 2007 Honda CRV that I almost sold because I could not bear the road noise and vibrations. I would barely be able to carry out a conversation with my wife when she was seated in the rear seat with the kids. I probably had about 18,000 miles on the oem tires at the time. I gave the car one more chance and purchased a new set of tires and aligned the the wheels. I purchased the Bridgestone alenza and the car felt brand new with a smooth quiet ride. It's not as quiet as other cars that I've been in but the noise is no longer an issue. I now have 41,000 miles with the car and the car and tires are still doing great. I'm sure other tires would do the same, but I've had success with the Alenza. If you're thinking about selling the car cause you can not stand it anymore, try a new set of tires.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,665
    Yes, the tires can make a big difference.

    I've always said that it seems Honda looks hard for the noisiest tires they can find.

    That said, when I drive my wife's 2011 CRV, there is a HUGE difference between the 2003 I drive. Much less road noise!
  • I just bought a 2011 CRV and have just discovered this problem. The road noise is DEAFENING -- no way to carry on a normal conversation. Of course this did not happen while road-testing at the dealership. Should have bought a Kia.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,665
    " DEAFENING" ??

    Funny, our 2011 doesn't seem to have this problem nor does our noisier 2003.

    If the car you drove at the dealership didn't have that problem I have to wonder if something is wrong with the CRV you bought?

    Have them look at it and have them drive it.
  • I think the statement is a bit exaggerated. If the claim that carrying a normal conversation is impossible while driving the CR-V is true, then maybe the vehicle has no sound-deadening material at all. Try to look underneath your CR-V. This or you're travelling near the speed limit of the CR-V, which in this case you should slow down for your own safety.
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