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2012 Subaru Impreza

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  • dfong87dfong87 Posts: 171
    you are welcome. glad i could help someone out with a starting point.

    i'm trying not to let the intermittent rattles and squeaks get to me, but i have better and worse days...

    funny: it's both comforting and frustrating that others have the squeaks/rattles. comforting that it's normal in many ways and my expectations are probably unrealistic and need to relax more about the rattles ;), but also frustrating that in this area, the car has some consistent issues that plague a certain fraction of the cars. (i guess that's what we get for buying the first year in a new generation car...then again, i haven't heard of anyone here or on NASIOC pursuing these rattles with the dealer which means if uncomplained about or debugged on a large number of cars, these problems will persist for the 2013 owners)
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,391
    That's how I feel about it too. If I don't insist on them being fixed, the problems will simply persist into future model years. So, given that the rattles, in general, have lessened in the five years since I first purchased a new Subaru, perhaps I have done my part. Then again, they are still a regular occurrence. *sigh*

    I was very pleased with my Forester during the first 500 miles I owned it, but then the rattles started. By the time I made it home two days later at 2,200 miles, I was about ready to shoot that car. Thankfully, a day at the dealership had them all fixed and they have not returned (I'm at about 200 miles shy of 40,000 now). The only rattle I currently have is a lift-gate rattle, but it's a doosey!
  • I'm pretty sure I'm correct about the PZEV warranty. The PZEV extended warranty is only provided in a handful of states, including California. The rest of us are required to purchase PZEV on the Impreza (it is no longer made without PZEV), but we don't get the warranty. From the downloadable Impreza brochure: "1 2012 Subaru Impreza 2.0 and Forester, Outback, Legacy 2.5 non-turbo models achieving a Partial Zero Emission Vehicle (PZEV) rating by the California Air Resources Board are available in all 50 states. Only those registered in California, Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island and Vermont will be eligible for the 15 years/150,000 mile emission warranty."

    I wrote a note to customer service at Subaru, and they confirmed that the extended 15 year/150,000 mile warranty on PZEV related components is not provided in states other than than those listed above.

    It may be that some of the PZEV components are covered by the 8 year Federal emissions warranty, I don't know. But the far more extensive 15 year warranty won't apply.

    Thus I am trying to guess how much of an expense maintaining PZEV will be as the years go by. I'm not really worried about whether or not the cars' emissions might creep up a bit (though I'd rather they didn't!), but I am worried about whether or not failures in various PZEV related parts including the numerous sensors and engine computer might cause more serious problems, that I would have to pay to repair myself.

    I tend to hang on to cars for a long time.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Subaru designs the systems to last longer, so it can at least outlast the CA law. So if anything it's intentionally designed to be more durable.
  • dcm61dcm61 Posts: 1,457
    edited April 2012
    ... Only those registered in California, Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island and Vermont will be eligible for the 15 years/150,000 mile emission warranty."

    That list is out of date. :sick:

    From wikipedia ...

    States adopting the California standards include Arizona (2012 model year),[1] Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico (2011 model year), New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington, as well as the District of Columbia.[2][3] Such states are frequently referred to as "CARB states" in automotive discussions because the regulations are defined by the California Air Resources Board.

    My state has required PZEV for several years and it's not on Subaru's "extended" list. :confuse:

    My assumption is that the extend emissions warranty applies to any PZEV vehicle registered in one of the CARB states.
  • rxman4rxman4 Posts: 2
    I just went to a Subaru dealer near work to get my first oil change yesterday- I get home and check the oil level - ONE INCH OVER full - if thats not bad enough, I look at the oil filter - didn't look like original. I went to the dealer this morning and he takes the car in right away - Works on it and states oil level has been corrected apologizes and shows me a Subaru Bulletin PB001133 that "HE" states says the two filter numbers are interchangeable - I look at it and say,YES, for the 2.5 Subaru Forester BUT the next paragraph states for 2012 Impreza you MUST USE part 15208AA160 or it wont function correctly - THATS SUBARU's words not mine. The dealer had put on part 15208AA130 which can ONLY be switched on the Forester NOT the IMPREZA.

    Make sure, since its easy to see, that your oil filter is part 15208AA160 ( as listed in the manual) when you get an oil change - the dealer didn't even have the filter, he had to send out for it - I now have a loaner
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    strange, 1 inch higher is way more than the volume of the oil filter itself (which, should have been picked up at the dealer at servicing, as it would only take a few seconds to reach level). I'd bet the difference in the filters is a drainback check valve, which wouldn't matter in the Forester (filter pointed down) but would matter on the Impreza (filter pointed up).

    John
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,391
    edited April 2012
    Well, it wouldn't matter in the Forester up to the 2011 model year only. It was the first Subaru model to receive an FB-series block, with the oil filter mounted on the top of the engine. So, for current Foresters, the drainback issue would be as pertinent as it is with the 2012 Impreza.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    edited April 2012
    The only time that has ever happened to me, '92 LS400 at Lexus of Bellevue, the X McD flipper had neglicted to drain the old oil before dumping in the new.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Fortunately should be no harm done because the oil had just been changed, so it's not like the (brand new) filter had a ton of filth in it that flowed back in to the engine.

    Nice catch, though. I also inspect stuff after its service. I even stopped taking my Sienna to shops to get even free oil changes because they would over-tighten it every single time.
  • ammo_umbammo_umb Posts: 4
    I'm glad to see that some of you are getting VINs and good delivery dates but I wish I had the same luck. I've been waiting since Jan 15th, still have no VIN, and was riding on my 3rd est. delivery (Apr) until today. I just got off the phone with SOA and was told that my date changed to May and they are still trying to figure out why I don't have a VIN yet.

    This sucks because normally I would be able to get my dealership to swap cars with another dealer but there are zero 5-doors available in Utah and zero in the pipeline. It sucks a little more because, as I told SOA, they miss dates and add months which is extremely inconvienient for customers. I told them that since they have stopped taking orders for 2012's they are setting people up to get brand new 1 year old cars the minute they take the first order for a 2013.

    I've done my homework and found out that there are quite a few 5-doors sitting on lots in the Eastern states (which I suspect are deliveries from cancelled orders). I asked them what the possibility of shipping a car from IL or PA (dealers in both states have exact matches to my order) and they tried to tell me that I would have to work that through my dealer. I told them that moves can be made by dealers within the regions but not from out of region to which they agreed (I guess their booger flicking back to the dealer wasn't such a good response after all). They said they would look into it an call me back Monday.

    So now when/if they call back on Monday I'm going to have to give a deadline; get the car here from Japan no later than 15 May or find a car to get here by then. I'm pretty sure they'll try to make me or my dealer pay for shipping but I think they should cover that since anything beyond a 90 day wait for a car is extremely unreasonable and anything over a 30 day wait for a VIN is completely crazy. IMHO their problems are terrible tracking and transportation.

    Sorry for my rant, I'm trying to exercise as much tact with them as possible but I'm starting to run low. With luck they already have a policy in place for the times they can't deliver and I'm really hoping their policy isn't to cancel orders and ignore the problems.
  • aknight3aknight3 Posts: 9
    I ordered my 5 door Impreza Limited hatchback mid March, and was told I had another 6 weeks of waiting. I said that a few other colors would be ok with me (not black or white) but there are none to be had in the region. In the meantime, I am racking up the miles on my soon to be trade in Forester which needs an oil change now. I don't understand what the holdup is, since I've never ordered a car before. I have to agree, now that new cars are coming out, I'll be getting an older version which price should be reduced. I'm thinking of canceling, but I really want that specific car. Sigh...........
  • crlstocrlsto Posts: 17
    Took 3 weeks to find, but I finally found the '12 Limited Dark Gray 5-door I was looking for. My brother in-law picked up a Sport Limited back in Jan (he ordered his), which turned me on to it. This is my first Subaru! My previous ride was a monster compared to this ('03 GMC Yukon) in both size and mpg. I've only been driving the car for 3 days, but I find myself itching to take random drives everywhere I can (trying to break-in the engine as soon as possible, lol)

    Considering how hard they are to come by in the trim/color combo I think I got a decent deal on mine. $23,029 + TTL with a Moonroof, Cross Bar Set. I added the 10" Sub ($640.00 installed; I know, I got ripped off on that one, lol), but I wish I had the Auto-dimming mirror (which I may still add on). Less the mirror, I got everything else I wanted, and the Cross bar set was an added bonus.

    I had to drive 80 miles to get home from the dealership I got it from, fluctuating speeds between 55-75, but not revving past 3.5k rpm at all. I did rev up to 6k rpm once for a split second, only because I forgot I was in "manual" and kept it in 1st gear. I do have a slight uphill highway drive to/ from work, but I don't need to strain the engine to get over it.

    I'm still somewhat of a newbie when it comes to breaking-in new engines but I just wanted to ask if the ride home from the dealer (80+ miles of highway driving starting from 10 miles on the odometer), as well as my daily commute up a slight incline are a detriment to the break-in period . Lastly, did I get a decent deal?

    I'm looking forward to many more years in this car and love it a bit more every time I drive it.
  • jd_24jd_24 Posts: 92
    Congrats on the new Subaru!

    Price really depends on where you are in the country. Some pay less some pay more. For the engine break in, I'm not an expert, but I'd say just take it easy and limit the revs and it should be just fine.

    The Subie is way different than that Yukon! Have fun driving. We have an 03 Tahoe, to go along with two Subarus. The Impreza is the fun one.
  • skid0skid0 Posts: 16
    cristo,

    There's two ways to badly 'break in' an engine. The most common way is to drive it like it's extremely fragile. This prevents the cylinder wall/ring interface from smoothing out/wearing to a tight clearance. The you get high oil consumption.

    The second way is to use full throttle on a cold engine, which will deform the pistons before they have had a chance to relieve built-in stresses from manufacturing.

    The best way to break in any engine is to fully warm it up, and then to use near-full-throttle for a few seconds at a time to wear-in the rings and cylinder walls. Do this at least a dozen times. Let completely off the throttle after that, to get oil back on the rings.

    I first read of this back in the '70's, and have used it on every engine I own. 7 cars and 11 cycles and 1 snomobile. None of them burned enough oil between oil changes to need oil added after 5,000 to 7,500 miles. All of them had exceptional compression. (My 2000 Outback had such great compression after 95,000 miles that the mechanic checked it twice, and them remarked about it to me after replacing the timing belts!)

    You should do this before you put too many more miles on your car.
  • wimchattawimchatta Posts: 28
    Hi aknight,
    Sorry to hear about the delay on your front. I ordered my Impreza end of Feb, was supposed to arrive 4/23, and eventually showed up at the dealer 4/27, will pick it up tomorrow (4/29). It was held up for about 10 days (before the 4/23 ETA) near the port of Richmond, apparently they install all the accessories there before distributing to the northern Bay area.. Once that was done 4/16, for a few days there the dealership did not know why the car hadn't showed up, looks like SOA has insufficient communication with the dealers wrt distribution ops.
    Hopefully the situation gets sorted out for you.
  • wimchattawimchatta Posts: 28
    Thank you, skid0!!!!
    Have often wondered about this, and as I am picking up my car tomorrow, is great timing for the posting. How much time apart should I do the post-warmup intense workout?
    Regards,
    Swami
  • crlstocrlsto Posts: 17
    Thanks guys for the replies! I took my car up and down to Santa Cruz after my first post and never had as much fun driving through hwy 17 as I did today...not too crazy with the throttle but taking some I those corners was awesome; very different compared to the Yukon (in a good way :-)

    @skid0: Should I rev high while in park, or should I perform this while driving? I know the manual says not to rev past 4.5k for the first 1k miles, but your experience sounds convincing...
  • ammo_umbammo_umb Posts: 4
    Aknight,
    I'm on the same wall as you as my wife really wants this car. We went out yesterday to see what other brands offered and couldn't find anything that peaked her interest that came even close to the same mpg.

    My biggest problems with this mess is that if you order a car the way you want it you should be able to get THAT CAR in a reasonable amount of time. You shouldn't have to call or email for updates when you get a delivery date. You shouldn't have to have your date changed (I'm on the 4th date now). And lastly you shouldn't have to have anyone look for a different car, different model or a different color because the car you ordered should deliver the way you ordered it.

    Once my car arrives I expect to get my trade-in valued with the miles and condition it was in on the first estimated delivery. I will also pressure for compensation for the excessive wait. And I will also insist on an extended warranty (without a deductible) if my car delivers after they start taking orders for 2013's. My reasoning is that the car should not have been delayed past the first estimated delivery without a damn good reason (in writing) because "I don't know" is not acceptable. Everyone that has been delayed deserves compensation because you should be rewarded for not cancelling your order. The extended warranty is to make up for the fact that once the 2013 orders start your 2012 is a year old whether or not you have received it.

    Best of luck with your order and I highly suggest calling SOA so they can log your delays and to make them aware that you are considering cancelling.

    By the way I'm still waiting on an email from SOA that I was supposed to get last Thursday. If the email does not include a solid delivery date for the car I ordered I am going to ask them to ship a similar car from either PA or IL at their cost. Monday will be day 107 from the date of order so the reasonable delivery time for me has been gone for quite some time.
  • Just wanted to share my buying experience with the group. I ordered an obsidian black two toned sport limited on March 5th. Not much options just the popular package 2 here in the NW which included homelink, all weather mats, cargo tray, seat back protectors and rear bumper applique. The price i paid was 22100 for the vehicle and out of the door was 24511 including 9.8% seattle tax, license doc fees etc. I was told that this would be about 8 to 10 weeks for car to arrive.

    Was given a delivery date of May 2nd for 2 weeks ago, and a VIN number about a week ago. Got a call on Friday that the car just arrived on the lot, and I picked it up last night. Pretty decent buying experience, Finance did sell me on the CLIA protection (interior and exterior) and considering I will be transporting 2 toddlers quite a bit, we got it for $512. Looks like the wait times in the Seattle is spot on at 8 weeks. Been happy with the 30 mile drive so far, very impressed with the handling and the room for a car of this size. We went out to dinner last night with 3 adults, a 4month old and a 22month old, and we managed to all fit pretty comfortably. Our 15 mile commute is something we are going to look forward to...at least for a while :)
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