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Chevrolet Volt Tax Credit Scandal

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  • That's 2100 dealers across the Country tho, isn't it? Right now the Volt is only available in a handful of states.

    The excuse back in August was that 500 were sent to those dealers as demos. Now that the inventory has almost tripled, the Volt is looking more like the sales dud as it was originally projected... :shades:
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,796
    edited September 2011
    Right now the Volt is only available in a handful of states.

    Actually now in most states - Chevy's goal was national distibution by the 4th quarter of this year.

    The excuse back in August was that 500 were sent to those dealers as demos. Now that the inventory has almost tripled, the Volt is looking more like the sales dud as it was originally projected

    So there weren't any to sell and that makes it a dud??

    According to this link:

    http://gm-volt.com/2011/08/03/after-a-necessarily-slow-july-volt-sales-poised-to- - -increase/

    Chevy built 4000 Volts for the 2011 model year with 3200 being sold and about 700 used as demos/test units. That sounds like almost a sellout. Volts spend about 13 days on the lot before selling. That's a dud??

    For the 2012 model year, they have the capacity to build 60K. The plant just came back on line at the beginning of August.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,175
    edited September 2011
    So there weren't any to sell and that makes it a dud??

    There were plenty of them to sell. I've watched the success/failure of the Volt since it first came out and the inventory had risen to 500 -600 or so units available until the July. I also don't believe the "demo units" story either because these units were listed for sale like any other vehicle would be. Nothing about them being demos or they shouldn't have been listed IMO.

    At the end of July, GM shut the plant down for "re-tooling", knocked a thousand bucks off the base price of the 2012 models and started off August with about 530 units (2011's). Here it is the first week of september and that inventory has tripled to over 1500 units (another 100 since just yesterday) while the forum shills and Government Motors keep saying the car is impossible to get because it's so wildly popular.

    B.S. :sick:

    And even with the same shills contaminating forums with "range anxiety" fear mongering, the Nissan Leaf continues to pull away from it in sales...

    Chevy built 4000 Volts for the 2011 model year with 3200 being sold and about 700 used as demos/test units. That sounds like almost a sellout

    The original plan was for 10k units in the first year...

    "we wanted to share this quote from Government Motor's Rob Peterson:

    The Volt production launch is on schedule to build and sell every one of our 10,000 units this year."


    So even if they moved 4000 of them through demos, fleets, government agencies, test mules, etc, I'd say that is way off mark which is why I called it a dud.
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,911
    saw a Volt for first time in Nashua NH last weekend.
    I especially liked the logo and am hoping GM's next electric car is named Ampere or Nikola.
    I tried to consider Volt for recent purchase, but the gas-only version offered such a better value...
  • If it is so easy to buy one then why did I sell one to a guy in Michigan driving down to Indiana. We had to go out and buy from a dealer (not buy and sell as used but as a new car) because Indiana is not slated to get any till now.

    The demo unit is not a sham. In order to maintain allocation you have to have a Volt in demo service for 6 months. You are free to sell it prior to that and lose allocation for 6 months. That is why some dealers still list it as for sale. It may be there only one so they need it to draw in customers and line them up for an order or wait for the demo to come out of service.
  • Breaking the 2000 unit barrier...

    There are now more than twice as many Volts for sale than there are Honda CR-Z's, 4 times more than Honda Insights and only 350 units away from the supply of Honda Fits out there...
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,796
    edited September 2011
    ...and your point is?

    The Insight and CR-Z aren't exactly setting sales records so Honda is smart to not have too many in stock. The Fit is a mid volume car in the midst of model year changeover.

    We get it - you don't like the Volt.
  • The point is that in the hybrid arena (where the Insight and CR-Z compete), even supposed "Slow sellers" aren't sitting on the lots like the Volt is...

    And yet the arrogance continues...

    Following the Volt’s prize-garnering lead, this month the Vauxhall Ampera was awarded “Green Car of the Year” by one of the UK’s leading automotive magazines.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,796
    edited September 2011
    Product sitting in inventory isn't a good measure. It's days in stock.

    Looking at number of product in stock only would show the Camry and Accord are poor sellers.

    Further, 1/3 of the country - including hybrid happy New England - just got the Volt. I say reserve judgement for at least a year in the full market before we start calling it a failure.
  • Looking at number of product in stock only would show the Camry and Accord are poor sellers.

    I don't follow... Where does the Accord and Camry come into the argument? They're not even competitors for the Volt. :confuse:

    And if they are poor sellers based on stock, then having twice as many Snuzes and nearly twice as many Rentabu's on the lots must be gawd awful? :confuse: Maybe Gubmint Motors needs to crank up the fleet sales higher than they are now...

    Regarding the Volt, it's looking quite clear that supply is easily outpacing the demand... And the fear mongering that was/is being spread to owners of Nissan Leaf models about "range anxiety" doesn't appear to be working either... :D
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,796
    I don't follow... Where does the Accord and Camry come into the argument? They're not even competitors for the Volt

    I was making a comparison. Units in stock doesn't tell the whole story. The more important number is average days to sell.

    What I meant was if you were to look at the number of Accords/Camrys in stock, would you also say they were poor sellers? There are over 12K Camrys in stock nationwide - does that indicate poor sales?
  • ClairesClaires Chicago areaPosts: 979
    This topic's about the alleged tax scandal involving Volt dealers. Some of you may be looking for this topic:

    Will the Chevy Volt Succeed?

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  • So glad you made your comparison much more clear for those who can not read and understand the written word. Most of the chater is back and forth clutter from those that do not read the entire message before commenting... Frustrating!!!!

    Most of us understand your first response and agree. the VOLT is getting bad press in some places due to the fact that most reviewers look to europe and asia for being the place of quality... Biased opinion is hard to accomplish and should be left to the professionals!!!

    I consider my self an American and defend our industrial and technical industry to the end. If all would do the same we indeed would prosper as a whole.
  • benrey23benrey23 Posts: 42
    I think the idea of a dealer buying the New Volt and reselling it is a good idea as long as they are reselling the Volt for 7500 under MSRP as a used vehicle. Many customers want that credit right away. That is a way they can get it right away without having to apply for it.
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