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  • serpentkiserpentki Posts: 20
    My guess is that other models' sales are down and yielding to the new Optima. Had they been on the lots when I was shopping I would most likely have purchased the Optima rather than the Spectra
  • pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
    Another 5 door hatchback soon to be released. Join other participants in our new Mazda Protege - 5 door (2002) discussion. Happy Motoring! ;-)


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  • bill_1bill_1 Posts: 97
    JD Powers "Initial Quality" does not really assess initial quality, rather it simply rates a vehicle by all the complaints that an owner has about a vehicle after a certain set period (might be 6 months). So something like loose trim or poor AM reception (Something the caused the Porche 911 to drop in the standings) will count as much as a car whose engine explodes after only 500 miles.

    Unfortunately the only real measure of quality is not usually available for new models and that is how will the car hold up 2+ years into its life.
  • cjaccettacjaccetta Posts: 236
    Leo,

    Just like you I am in the market for a reasonably priced 5-door hatch. And you're right -- this is going to be a great year for such vehicles.

    I am also leaning very heavily toward the Elantra GT, but one vehicle that has drawn my attention is the upcoming Pontiac Vibe. It has a wagon's styling but looks sporty nonetheless. However, it won't be available until next year and I don't know if I can wait that long. I believe the early indicators are that it will sell between $17-$19k. It's got Toyota underpinnings so the reliability should be there.

    I saw several of the Mazda Sport Wagons when I was honeymooning in Bermuda last summer. They were really slick. IMO, Mazda is a very underrated car company. However, I'm thinking that the Sport Wagon will be pricey compared to the Elantra. Look at Mazda's Protege -- to get the "good" model, you're looking at paying 17 grand.

    I won't get into the Elantra since there is already a topic on that model. Performance matters aside, I feel it has the best feature content for the dollar. Hyundai seems to have nailed the value equation. And if anyone sneers at me for choosing a Korean car, I'll just tell them to stuff a sock in it. Then I'll go buy two plane tickets and take a vacation with the money I saved!

    PS - Leo, your profile states you are from Pittsburgh. Me, too. I grew up in Mt. Lebanon and now I'm a displaced Pirates fan living in New Jersey. Go Buccos!!

    Good luck in your search.
  • leomortleomort Posts: 451
    Ah a Pittsburgh fan. Can't wait to check out the new stadium. Got saturday tickets for a night game in May. They say the view is spectatular.
    The Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe looks like a nice hatchback. Only heard pricing of Toyota Matrix is slightly under the Rav4 but no specifics. GM version should be cheaper.
    Just seen the price on the Elantra GT here on the HB borad. Base price starts at 14 grand. Add options should max out around 16 grand.
    Mazda is around 16 grand base, add options and your in the 18-19 range.
    VW Golfs are expensive too. So much for economy HB. They're close to the 20 grand mark by time taxes, title etc. Ouch! Car prices have gone sky high.
    They wife and I are also looking at Subaru Foresters or Rav 4s. Not to much more $$$ than a comfortably equiped HB. Got sticker shock from these new car prices. Going to see if I can hold off if at all posible. I'll try to run my current car into the ground. Don't look forward to car payments.

    Leo
  • handydoghandydog Posts: 19
    I am looking at a hatch and am considering the Protoge s. the El antra T. From the pictures, both look good and the spews on the the sedans are comparable. Is there anyone who owns a Protoge AS sedan or an El antra sedan, are could give some info. as to how the two cars measure up?

    Thanks.

    P.., it must be spring, because Pirate fans are excited about the baseball season. Even here in AC people are talking about the Royals make a run at the playoffs. We'll see.
  • rsparrowrsparrow Posts: 60
    Looking forward to trying out the Protege 5 this summer. I went to a car show about a month ago and picked up a flyer for the Protege 5. Seems to have the same interior as a Protege ES...


    Speaking of hatchbacks, I read in Automobile magazine that Honda is coming back into this market segment with its European Civic hatchback! It's supposed to be introduced at the New York international car show this summer. According to the mag, I think it's supposed to arrive here in Si form. I think the car looks pretty cool...


    http://www.honda.co.uk/civic.html

  • leomortleomort Posts: 451
    not too surprise that Honda is bringing back the Civic HB. My guess is because Toyota is bring out their HB. These two car manufacturers keep playing off each other----which is good for the consumer.

    Regarding the Elantra. My parent have the 2000 Elantra. Surprised by how nice they are, nice roomy interior especially the rear seat. Peppy engine too.

    Leo
  • bill_1bill_1 Posts: 97
    Well I think it has more to do with the fact that Hatchback sales are picking up in America. Sales for the VW Golf are up and I believe Ford moved 45,000 of the Focus ZX3 which is alot more than Honda moved of the last generation Civic Hatchback. I think what Honda didn't realize when they decided not to bring the Hatchback version of the current generation to the US was that the reason that one of the reasons that the last model didn't sell as well was that it was basically a stripper. Ford comes out with the ZX3, loads it equipment (some of which like the sunroof can only be had on the ZX3 version) and it sells well enough Ford decides to bring over the ZX5. Doesn't take a marketing genius for Honda to realize that iconic Civic is in danger of loosing its icon status...
  • leomortleomort Posts: 451
    Honda claimed that there wasn't enough sales/demand for the Civic HB as the reason for dropping it and then Ford kicks their as*&% with the Focus! Someone was caught sleeping regarding consumer demand. It looks likes the HB market is starting to make a come back. Honda won't be able to offer stripped HB at premium prices any more. Too much competion. If Honda want to offer a 4 door HB through your hat in the ring and let competition begin. The conusmer finally has some decent choices regarding HB. That's a switch.

    Leo

    Leo
  • leomortleomort Posts: 451
    Honda claimed that there wasn't enough sales/demand for the Civic HB as the reason for dropping it and then Ford kicks their as*&% with the Focus! Someone was caught sleeping regarding consumer demand. It looks likes the HB market is starting to make a come back. Honda won't be able to offer stripped HB at premium prices any more. Too much competion. If Honda want to offer a 4 door HB through your hat in the ring and let competition begin. The conusmer finally has some decent choices regarding HB. That's a switch.

    Leo

    Leo
  • seguyseguy Posts: 133
    When is it supposed to arrive, if it does at all??? In the market for a HB and Minivan early next year. So far by price, safety and exterior looks alone, without the all important test drive, considering Elantra GT, ZX5, VW 5 dr (used 2000 1.8T if i can find one around). For minivan, MPV 3.0, Oddessy LX(don't want power doors), and upcoming Sedona. Any suggestions, appreciate it, thanks...
  • leomortleomort Posts: 451
    2003 Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe twin. Probably come out sometime in 2002. The Mazda Protege 5 is coming out this june, as 2002 model.

    Leo
  • bill_1bill_1 Posts: 97
    Well as far as I know the current plans do not involve bring the Civic 5 door to these shores; mostly the buzz has been that they are going to use the European Civic Type R (which is the new 3 door) as the basis for the next Civic Si. Perhaps if sales of that are as suprisingly strong as the the Focus ZX3s were Honda might consider bringing more of their hatchbacks over. Alot will probably also depend with what happens with the Elantra GT and the Focus ZX5.
  • estoesto Posts: 136
    There's been a lot of talk about the various 5 door hatches on the way from Hyundai, Mazda, Ford, Pontiac/Toyota. What about the currently available Kia Spectra? Is it just too poorly made?

    Erik
  • mpgmanmpgman Posts: 723
    The Matrix is supposed to beat the Vibe to the market place by about a year. Kelly Blue Book already has a preview of it on their web site at kbb.com

    Matrix could show up as early as this summer or fall as an early 02. The Vibe is set for 03. MPG with the base Rav-4 4 cylinder is about 27/32 with the automatic. Sticker to start around $15K. A sport version will have the Celica 4 at around 180hp, 6 speed manual and all-wheel drive.

    Sounds like it is worth waiting for to see if it is a baby Rav-4 or a souped up Echo with 5 doors.
  • tocantocan Posts: 118
    Personally, I find the Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe almost as ugly as the Aztek, so I won't be waiting around for them. ;-)

    No one has discussed the Subaru Impreza TS Sport Wagon, which probably fits into this category too. It has a shape that seems very similar to the Protege5 (Sport Wagon). This one is actually currently available too. It is somewhat pricier than I expect the Protege5 to be, but does include AWD. It's considerably less pricy than the Impreza WRX Wagon (although obviously less powerful).

    I find that the hatch area (if that is the correct word) on the Golf is really small. It is almost like having virtually no space at all behind the rear seats. (Obviously if you put the seats down you will get more room, but that isn't what I want generally.) The Golf almost seems to be a Jetta with the trunk cut off, while most other HBs are the same length (or just slightly shorter) than their corresponding sedan.

    The Elantra GT is a much sleeker looking HB than the Protege5, but that means that the cargo room would be somewhat smaller. It is all in what you like. Personally, I'm still inclining toward the Protege5, but there is way more choice than I expected when I started my research.

    Nomi
  • serpentkiserpentki Posts: 20
    Personally, I like the Spectra. KIA is a quality built vehicle, new to the marketplace however. the Spectra is actually quite roomy, a bit larger and heavier than other cars in it's class. Consumer Reports tested it among 20 other makes for it's Car of the Year. The Spectra did not win but was given very high marks for it's handling, out-performing most of the other tested vehicles on the skidpad and nearly topped the field in the slalom.

    I have seen pics of next year's Spectra, the Spectra Wing. It has a restyled front end with chrome grille. The styling is much bolder than the current Spectra and more people should find it attractive. -SK
  • pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
    to consider, be sure to visit our Upcoming Hatchbacks Discussion.

    For your convenience, I'll also be linking this discussion into the Additional Resources box on the left hand side of this page.


    Happy Motoring!


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  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    Are you sure you actually looked at the Golf's cargo space?? The Golf is rated at 16 cubic feet of space, more than just about any mid-size sedan on the market, even more than some full-size cars. I have test driven one and I found the cargo space to be quite large, usefully square in shape, and very tall in cargo height. I own the original Golf (aka the Rabbit) and its 10 cubic feet can accomodate a good amount of stuff without folding the rear seat down (about four large duffel bags with room to spare, enough for 3 people to take a weekend vacation). Believe me, the Golf has more room than you think.
  • leomortleomort Posts: 451
    didn't know that Toyota was bringing out the Matrix early. I don't know if I care for its looks though. Between the two, I'd prefer the look of the Vibe. question: will the AWD be available with an automatic?

    I too have considered Subaru's Impreza sport wagons. The cargo space seem small and cramped. I was looking at the Impreza OBS. Wife doesn't care for this compact wagons looks.

    The VW GOlf's cargo area also appeared small to me as well. Perhaps it's looks are decieving?

    Mazda Protege's are generally very spacious for a compact. Their HB warrants a look, especially if they run their special financing deals.

    My parents bought a 2000 Hyundai Elantra brand new. I was very surprised by it. Very spacious. Perhaps not as refined as Honda or Toyota but also worth a look. You've got to keep in mind, this car is going to depreciate look a rock. But if you keep your cars a long time it might be mot point for you.

    There will finally be a variety of htachbacks to chose from which is a nice change.

    Leo
  • erlemireerlemire Posts: 2
    I'm looking for that kind of HB for a summer buy and this past two weeks, I've been jumpimg from preview to review on Protege5's, Elantra GT's, Subaru sportwagen's ans focus ZX5's.

    There's a lot for all taste, and I can't wait to try one of these at the dealer (I know some drive will be soon for the Subaru ans the Mazda).

    If you are the kind of driver who drives in traffic every day to work, and respect spped limit at all time (we all do officially but...) so I recommend a ZX5 or Elantra GT.
    but if your a more agressive driver, and like to hand out on twisty road and like a like a little "controlled slipping" out of the curve, I hightly recommend the Subaru and for finantial reason the Mazda or Elantra.
    People who like to impress with a flashy car would like the standard body skirt of the Mazda and the after-market performance accesories of the subaru.
    Personnaly, with two kids, don't like the minivan driving, loves euro shaped cars, and a little sport but not to much because that my driving point get loss to easily, I still can't choose between the Mazda and the Elantra, I think I'll wait for the test drive ;o)
  • erlemireerlemire Posts: 2
    I'm looking for that kind of BB for a summer buy and this past two weeks, I've been jumping from preview to review on Protege5's, El antra GI's, Subaru sportwagen's and focus ZX5's.

    There's a lot for all taste, and I can't wait to try one of these at the dealer (I know some drive will be soon for the Subaru and the Mazda).

    If you are the kind of driver who drives in traffic every day to work, and respect speed limit at all time (we all do officially but...) I recommend a ZX5 or El antra GT.
    but if your a more agressive driver, and like to hang out on twisty road and like a little "controlled slipping" out of the curve, I hightly recommend the Subaru or an Mazda.
    People who like to impress with a flashy car would like the standard body skirt of the Mazda and the after-market performance accesories of the subaru.
    Personnaly, with two kids, don't like the minivan driving, loves euro shaped cars, and a little sport but not to much because that my driving point get loss to easily, I still can't choose between the Mazda and the Elantra, I think I'll wait for the test drive ;o)
  • mpgmanmpgman Posts: 723
    Don't be too sure that the new GT hatch will depreciate "like a rock." Good reviews, limited availability, and the utilitarian design in a relatively inexpensive package with leather, 4 wheel discs, alloys, fog lights, keyless entry, and optional roof, ABS, and traction control might make the resale better than people think or fear. Once Hyundai sees what a winner they have, the price could go up and the base content down. Interesting to see how it all pans out. What sold me on the Elantra GT was seeing Hertz putting Elantra sedans in their fleet. They would be the last to want unreliable cars to ruin their reputation.
  • heysharonheysharon Posts: 9
    Excited to test drive new 5 doors. But as a 32 yr old, childless chick, I'm new to the hatchback market. Where do I hide my stuff? Torn between the 'sportiness' of the Mazda P5 and the seeker 'Saab-esque' Elantra GT (haven't seen unclose yet). Then again w/ the upgrades to the Sentra (60/40 rear seat split) making antiquing easier, maybe I'll purchase another Nissan. Decisions...
  • pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
    You said: "I'm new to the hatchback market. Where do I hide my stuff?"

    Many hatchbacks come with some kind of removable cargo cover to prevent people from seeing your stuff.... Good luck with your decision. And please keep us posted on what you decide. Happy Shopping! ;-)

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  • cjaccettacjaccetta Posts: 236
    Check out the Elantra GT. I was able to fit my road bicycle into the hatch by dropping the "60" side of the 60/40 rear seat. I was also able to carry three bags of golf clubs and three overnight bags easily -- I didn't even have to remove the cargo cover or fold the seat. Hatchbacks rule if you carry lots of "stuff" when you travel.

    My wife and I looked at the Sentra, and if you have any friends you won't want to put them in the Sentra's backseat: it's tiny! Other than that we liked the Sentra. We also looked into the P5 as well -- it turned out to be a little too expensive for our tastes but a cool car nonetheless.

    My wife and I dig all the features of the GT and we got ours for a good price. We've put about 1,100 miles on ours with no problems to report.

    Good luck in your search.
  • heysharonheysharon Posts: 9
    for the advice. Even the little nephews complain about the size of my Sentra ("Aunt Sharon, you need a minivan.") Well, not quite, but I do like the looks of the Elantra GT. Will seek out a Hyundai dealer soon, as the Sentra is pushing 110,000 miles (though going strong).
  • mattwamattwa Posts: 16
    I bought a GT a couple of weeks ago and I am very pleased. It's an amazingly functional car at a great price. You get the headroom and rear leg room of a decent sedan, the space and flexibility of a small wagon, the fun of a coupe (with the 5 spd), and the toys and comfort of a low-end luxury car. The Pro5 and Golf are also nice, just hard to match the Elantra for value.

    I think hatchbacks are due for a comeback. A lot more economical than SUVs, a lot more practical than sedans, and a %^#@ of a lot more fun than a minivan.
  • Hey - My name is Jen, and I live in SoCal. I say - go for the Protege5! I'm a 30 year old "chick" and have no family (yet), but I love my 2 week old silver Protege 5! It has a hatchback cover that covers your stowage and I love it's sporty look. I got mine fully loaded, moonroof, 6CD changer, auto everything. I do agree that the Hundai looks good, but I just couldn't get over the memories of my best friend from High School's first car: a Hyundai -- and it was a heap. But I know... things have changed ....and I shouldn't judge from a first impression ... speaking of first impressions: I drove a Protege rental in New Mexico one vacation 5 years ago-- and loved the zippiness of the car on those back roads. As a 93 Civic hatchback owner, I debated for weeks between a Jetta Wagon and the 2002 Pro5... (I wanted that hatchback feeling - and was even set on a Mazda Tribute... for a while). Anyway -- bottom line is, I love my final decision. Let me know what you decide.
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