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Which Hatchback?



  • doohickiedoohickie Posts: 949
    The SX4 appears to be a Suzuki, but I was referring to the Reno that I purchased thinking it was a Suzuki.

    I understand, but you were responding to canuck785's post which was about the SX4 (despite the title mentioning Reno).

    Incidentally, I read in my News Sentinel today that Suzuki ranks next to last in JD Power reliability surveys. Wonder if that's due to the Daewoo Reno/Forenza/Verona cast offs?

    Suzuki seems to think so: Suzuki blaming poor initial quality scores on GM Daewoo-produced vehicles
  • canuck785canuck785 Posts: 160
    have you drove a Yaris yet? if so, how does it compare to an xA or an aveo?
    just out of curiosity, if you could buy any of those hatch tomorrow, which one would you get? aveo, yaris, fit, versa,accent,rio, rabbit ??? or wait for the new sx4 ;)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    I've driven the Yaris sedan twice, but have not been able to find a hatch to test-drive. I thought the Yaris had a much more comfortable ride than the xA and a smoother powertrain than the Aveo. The Aveo seemed "thin" to me.

    Your question about which I would buy tomorrow is hard because I haven't found an Accent SE to drive yet. I suspect based on drives of the GS hatch that I might like the SE a lot.

    I would like to see what the SX4 is like. And, I will be able to because I don't have to buy a car for a couple of years. Based on those I've driven, I prefer the Fit overall, then the Rabbit (which I like a lot in 3-door form except for fuel economy and historically poor reliability). The Versa was a pretty nice drive too, but early reports on fuel economy aren't too good and I don't like the big step in the back with seats folded. The Rio is quite nice also, but overpriced I think given Kia's historically poor resale value.

    And I am still hoping Hyundai will re-introduce the Elantra hatch on the all-new platform. :)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    I just noticed something: Honda Civic is listed at the top of this discussion on "Which Hatchback?" Why is that? Is that to represent the fact that the Civic is available in some countries as a hatch--just not in North America? :cry:

    Also, isn't it time to retire the Pro5 from the list and replace it with a hatchback that is actually for sale as a new car--the Mazda3 or Fit or Versa or.... ?
  • thank you for your comments!
    i find it is hard to make a decision because all those cars have pros and cons and are basically, IMO, pretty good cars. I guess it all comes down to what someone needs and like, and i migh add, how long some is willing to wait to get a car!! ( 2-4 mths for a yaris liftback here)

    i dont think the rabbit will be a choice for me : dealerships are too far and only very few to deal with.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    Yep, it's really hard to buy a "bad" new car these days.

    I understand your issue with dealerships. That might keep me from a Suzuki, although there is a dealer close to me there are very few in my town and few overall. VW dealers are plentiful where I live, though. So are Hyundai and Kia dealers, and of course dealers for the American and Japanese car companies.
  • Yep, it's really hard to buy a "bad" new car these days
    good thing Yugo stop making cars!!! ;) LOL
  • doohickiedoohickie Posts: 949
    It's a little higher end than most of the other cars discussed here, but have any of you driven the Mazda6 hatch? I drove the sedan version as a rental and it seemed pretty sweet (there is also a Mazda6 wagon).
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    I haven't driven the Mazda6 hatch but I really like it--great handling, styling, and cargo capacity. I looked at it closely before I got my Elantra GT, but went with the Elantra because the GT gave me what I needed for (at the time) about $8000 less.
  • My local Toyota dealer rented a Scion TC this weekend and actually today and I have to tell you that this is a great handling and performing car. Most don't consider this car and it's a mistake. The back seat is huge and there is a ton of room in it for a coupe.
  • doohickiedoohickie Posts: 949
    The back seat is huge and there is a ton of room in it for a coupe.

    What tC were *you* looking at? When I looked at the tC, the only way I could fit in the back seat was if the hatch was open to allow my head to stick up. There isn't enough room for anyone over about 5'-4" in that back seat.
  • canuck785canuck785 Posts: 160
    I am assuming he is talking about the TC, 4 door sedan, because that is the ONLY TC scion has ;)
    by the way, anyone noticed that if you want to compare 2007 Scion the Xa or the Xb are not showing up, only the TC does?
    on other forums, there is a rumor that the production of xb and xa will be dropped... :(
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    Huh? The tC is available only as a 2-door hatchback. The xA and xB are 4-door hatchbacks.

    It could be that the 2007 xA and xB haven't been released to dealers yet. There were photos of a next-gen xB on Town Hall a while ago.
  • doohickiedoohickie Posts: 949
    I am assuming he is talking about the TC, 4 door sedan, because that is the ONLY TC scion has ;)


    Looks like two doors to me.....

    Maybe confusing the Scion tC with the Saturn ION?:

  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    Scion a and b will not be available as 2007 model, there will be replacements coming.

    And the "tC 4 door" reference - I take it you were being sarcastic ;)
  • canuck785canuck785 Posts: 160
    LOL!! i had a major blonde moment there!! :confuse:
    i knew the TC was not a hacht but i was sure it had 4 doors.... :blush: sowwy!
    i really want to know about the xA and Xb for 2007...i just love those 2 cars!
    I saw an xA "special edition" (or whatever they called it) this w/e,it was the bright red one that they offered in 2005. wow! what a cute car!! it had different wheels on it and it looked like a mini cooper :)
    my husband WANTS me to get an xA, but i am pushing for the aveo :)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    If it's between the Aveo and xA, this is one time (at least) you should listen to your husband. :)
  • doohickiedoohickie Posts: 949
    i knew the TC was not a hacht

    Yet another blonde moment: The tC *is* a hatchback. :P


    Actually, between an Aveo and an xA, it isn't a cut-and-dry decision. The xA definitely has a higher "wow" factor, but the Aveo is also a decent choice.

    Out of the GM-Daewoo cars sold in the U.S., the Aveo is the biggest seller and has the best reliability. Its ride is smoother than the xA's, although it has noticeably more body lean in corners. If you're not driving it like a Ferrari though, that shouldn't be a big deal. The Aveo seems more inviting inside; it feels roomier than the cramped xA. The engine noise is also worse on the xA than on the Aveo. The Aveo buzzes on acceleration, but the xA buzzes all the time!

    After looking at several models in that class last year, I went up a bit and bought a Hyundai Elantra. But if I were to choose between the xA and the Aveo, I would pick the Aveo.
  • canuck785canuck785 Posts: 160
    oh boy!!! I stand corrected!!! :blush:
    for my defense, i never saw one in "person", only in pictures, and they dont "LOOK" like they are hachtback :P

    both the aveo and the xA are interesting choices in the segment, (i drove both ) so i KNOW what they are :P
    the Xa comes all equipped, which is cool, but the aveo is cheaper and a good deal too. i also love the colors of the aveos!
    my scion dealer is a lot further than the chevy one, which could be handy.
    Chevy also changed their warranty to 5 yrs/100,000 miles, which is longer than toyota-scion but with the reputation toyota has, not sure they really need a longer warranty

    i am also looking at the new suzuki SX4 AWD, it offers A LOT for 15 k.
  • doohickiedoohickie Posts: 949
    If you can get AWD for $15k, and AWD is a priority, by all means go for it!

    I looked at Suzukis (Aerio & Reno) when car shopping last year, mostly just to cross them off my list. After driving them, they both hung around on my list for a long time! The Reno especially seemed a great value, but I was afraid it was more of a facade and that the car wouldn't hold up. (The Reno is built by GMDAT just like the Aveo, but the quality ratings of the plant where the Reno is produced are not as good as where the Aveo is produced. Suzuki even cited GMDAT as the major driver for their own quality problems.)

    I wouldn't hesitate to buy a "true" Suzuki though.
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