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  • kxs1kxs1 Posts: 6
    whupwhup, how much did you pay for yr 350? I bought a 03ML350 at about the same time from NJ for $41870. is your inspiration package P37 or P38?
  • prodogsprodogs Posts: 28
    Hi,
    been offered 1500 under invoice for an ML350 in in NJ. Does anybody know of any better deals?

    Also, does anybody have details on current Mercedes Lease Deals. Terms for one I am offered
    are 58% residual value with 6.5% interested rate 39 months. Residual seems ok but 6.5% seems high.

    Thanx
  • Hi

    My wife and I are considering a 2002 ML 320 (#12,000 miles)

    We have read numerous reports regarding problem and issues with the M class. We have spoken with our service advisor and he claim's that the problems have been worked out in 2002 model. anyone have any advice for us regarding the reliability and safety of the ML. Thanks Mark
  • We bought a used 2000 ML320 last year with 37,000
    from a MB dealer at $25,600. The car was in good,
    but not excellent condition. This is my 3rd MB,
    having owned a 1965 230SL (bought in 1970) and
    a 1984 380SEC (bought in 1986). Here are my experiences:
    230SL bought for $4,500, repainted for $1,400 in
    1970, drove for 4 years and sold for $6,700. Never
    needed a repair.

    380SEC bought for $26,000, drove for 6 years and
    sold for $14,000. A few minor repairs (failed
    window switch) but fairly high planned maintenance
    at about $1,500 per major appointment.

    And now the ML320. Our other car for the last 8 years is a 1990 Lexus LS400. Bought with 54,000
    miles and now has 191,000 miles. Have replaced
    the AC twice, steering rack and steering pump and
    that's about it... has original exhaust, suspension and all the rest, paint is like new, leather has minor cracking, dash is perfect. The
    Lexus is about $1,000 for major planned service.

    Why an ML320? I use this for work and get to write off its expenses. I used the accellerated
    depreciation allowed for trucks over 6,000 lbs
    loaded weight (GLVW) and this paid us back about $7,000 in lower taxes last year. The Lexus RX300 didn't meet the weight (but only by a couple hundred pounds - not the 1,000 lbs someone mentioned here)for the accellerated depreciation.
    I believe the RX300 weighs about the same as the ML320 but has less design load.

    Next, the ML has decent handling for an SUV, lots of safety features, is comfortable, has useful space behind the rear seat, and gets decent mileage... I always see 19 - 20 in mostly suburban
    driving.

    The fit and finish of an ML320 is not equal to MB sedans and at $40,000 (new)for a 4 wheel drive SUV I didn't exect equality. The ML500 and ML 55 are closer to MB standards but you naturally pay for the goodies.

    I know that some ML owners have had a horrible time with major issues and dealer experiences, but overall the major components are rated highest in the latest issue of a car rating magazine (I think it was Consumer Reports), giving the car solid red circles - the
    highest reliability rating - on engine and drive
    train. There were average-to-low ratings on electrical, for example. My dealer experience
    here has been "A-" for the ML and "A-" for the
    Lexus (both dealerships owned by the same family).

    One way to gauge the reliability is to compare the
    cost of aftermarket, exclusion-style, warrantees.
    I found that a good ML warrantee (which we didn't
    buy) that would cover up to 100,000 miles and with
    discounts to be about $2,100 with zero deductable.
    The same coverage on a Toyota Camry is $1,100. The MB coverage is more money, but you would expect it would be so, yes? I think that if the
    ML were absolutely awful, then the insurance companies would either refuse insurance or charge much more for coverage if many problems existed.

    In short, these are very safe, fun, and good cars if your expectations are set right from the beginning.
  • njexpressnjexpress Posts: 170
    Just picked up our 2003 ML350 last week from Princeton, NJ.
    Sold my CR-V last tuesday(9/30/03) morning and took delivery of the new car in the evening. It's white with JAVA, M1, heated seats, Bose and Moonroof. My wife is the primary driver and we have 600 miles so far. The CD changer was not playing and I had to take her in and they replaced the magazine. Other than that, It's been wonderful!! Got it for 40K even, including tax, title and registration.
    I was researching and drooling over the Murano and the Lexus for a long time but in the end, I guess the MB's brand name made me settle for this! The ride is joustier than a Lexus but, heck, It's a mercedes, and a real (looks real at least!) SUV at that!! I am enjoying every moment of it; The touch shift is amazing! The pedal feel is really rough but once you get used to it, It is an amazing set of wheels!!!
    This is my first brand name car and may be I am imagining things but - It really seems to have an impact on people; Like, neighbors whov'e been there for as long as u've known - who promptly ignored you whenever you tried to say Hi! to them suddenly wanna look you in the eye and exchange pleasentaries etc...
    All this "special" attention apart, It has been a fun filled week, driving the ML. Body lean seems virtually non existant, at least when in the drivers seat; Of course I can't try any funny stuff while my pregnant wife is on the passenger seat - Nor can i drive the vehicle from the rear seats ;o) So far, based on a couple of sudden maneuvres I performed, it is one buttoned up truck!!!!
    Shall keep you posted on the developments. Very nice to be a part of this forum!!
    Cheers!
    --njexpress.
  • mercaramercara Posts: 291
    Welcome to the club. I have a 1999 ML320 myself. I would temper your enthusiasm a bit about it being a "Mercedes". Unfortunately, they don't make cars like they made grandpas merc which ran for over 250K miles without a problem. Overall, it is a decent car.
  • njexpressnjexpress Posts: 170
    I am slowly prepping myself for the maintenance "Surprises". Everytime I clean the vehicle, I see tons of brake pad dust in the wheels! That's the first time I've seen anything like it!! I grew up around places with not so great road infrasturcuture and I've never seen my wheels get so dirty!!
    I guess I am all set for a new set of brake pads soon ;0) I am also "looking forward" to the weird noise at the back. My next seat neighbor at work drives a '02 ML and he keeps "enquiring" of it everyday. Hope it turns out okay!
    Have a great day.
    Cheers!
    --njexpress!!
  • mercaramercara Posts: 291
    I did my brakes only after 53,000 miles. I do mostly highway miles and drive with a light foot. Even at 53K miles the warning lights didn't come on. I was told by the rep when I took my car in for a service that I will have to change them soon. Rather than bring it back a couple of 100 miles later, I just went ahead and changed the front and back pads.
  • njexpressnjexpress Posts: 170
    I hope I am equally lucky. So far, other than a replaced changer, it has really been great (Well, it is barely 2 weeks old!).
    I am averaging 16.5MPG with 80% HWY and a somewhat heavy foot. No tirescreeching "getaway" starts but I do hit the upper 80s on the free way.
    The pick up is okay, except for the HEAVVVVY pedal feel. Besides, with an MB, I suddenly seem to have lost the urge to dust those Miatas and Monte Carlos so, I didn't subject the vehicle to any true test ;o)
    Will keep the forum posted on how things go.
    Cheers!
    --njexpress
  • Glad to meet you all -

    I just traded in my 2003 E320 for a 2003 ML500. Could not resist that 5 litre V8, and more importantly, I have a cottage I shall need to get to in winder and here in Ontario that means 4WD. I think my ML will be the ideal compromise between rpoad car (the E was sweet!) and truck (I'd love a Land Rover :-)

    See my car here:
    http://www.willems.ca/pers_ft32.htm

    This is a dealer demo model - 14k km on the clock against 24k on my "old" E320. So I got a car with 10k less mileage.

    Observations so far:

    - Braking is soft and not very good compared to the E - but it will do and at least it is less brusque.

    - Very powerful.

    - Cockpit oldfashioned Mercedes type but that's OK.

    - Third row seats (I have that option) is of limited use as the mid seats need to move forward so far that passengers in the 2nd rown are squashed, and 3rd row passengers are still squashed anyway. And you need an engineering degree to figure out how to fold all those seats.

    - Low range is useful. I was even able to tackle a steep mud hill at the cottage.

    - Cruise control should have an indicator lamp

    - Controls are fine

    - Auto wiper works better than inthe new E in spite of older design

    - Not many rattles at all, which is a pleasant surprise

    - Broken ashtray, read cupholders, rear vent, and right seat base cover. And that's the stuff the dealer did NOT catch :-)

    Overall very good. More impressions later.

    I am in Oakville, Ontario by the way.

    Mike
  • Glad to meet you all -

    I just traded in my 2003 E320 for a 2003 ML500. Could not resist that 5 litre V8, and more importantly, I have a cottage I shall need to get to in winder and here in Ontario that means 4WD. I think my ML will be the ideal compromise between rpoad car (the E was sweet!) and truck (I'd love a Land Rover :-)

    See my car here:
    http://www.willems.ca/pers_ft32.htm

    This is a dealer demo model - 14k km on the clock against 24k on my "old" E320. So I got a car with 10k less mileage.

    Observations so far:

    - Braking is soft and not very good compared to the E - but it will do and at least it is less brusque.

    - Very powerful.

    - Cockpit oldfashioned Mercedes type but that's OK.

    - Third row seats (I have that option) is of limited use as the mid seats need to move forward so far that passengers in the 2nd rown are squashed, and 3rd row passengers are still squashed anyway. And you need an engineering degree to figure out how to fold all those seats.

    - Low range is useful. I was even able to tackle a steep mud hill at the cottage.

    - Cruise control should have an indicator lamp

    - Controls are fine

    - Auto wiper works better than inthe new E in spite of older design

    - Not many rattles at all, which is a pleasant surprise

    - Broken ashtray, read cupholders, rear vent, and right seat base cover. And that's the stuff the dealer did NOT catch :-)

    Overall very good. More impressions later.

    I am in Oakville, Ontario by the way.

    Mike
  • Paid $41000 + tax/license on Oct/31/2003

    2004 ML350 white/black

    Sunroof package
    Trim Package
    Comfort Package ( these packages used be called M1, M2, and M5)
    Entertainment Package (bose + cd )
    Lighting Package (xenon light)
    Rear Seat Package (3rd row seat)
    Heated Frontseats
     
    It was $2500 below invoice.

    I hope my ML doesn't break down like others.. =)
  • am2004am2004 Posts: 2
    You got a great deal on your '04. Pls email me your dealer and sales rep data to alijunk@yahoo.com. I would be very grateful.

    Thanks,
  • qleapqleap Posts: 2
    My first Ml Class suv was the 1999 Ml430 it was great car with just to much wind noise, reliability problems and a rough ride. I later traded it in for a 2002 Ml500 AWD Inspiration edition much improved. it is now quitter, faster, smother, better Navigation and the seats are wayyyyyy better.
  • allnation,

    I purchased my ml 350 (Dec. 2003) for $41K even with 1900 miles with every option that you mentioned plus sport/chrome wheels package, chrome front grille, navigation, and an addition 12 months/100,000 miles (starmark warranty) beyond the 48 months/50,000 miles manufacturer's warranty. Although it was sold pre-owned, it was a demo for the Mercedes dealership. The miles on the SUV were just test drives by customers.

    The brilliant silver with charcoal leather SUV is in exceptional condition. I really enjoy driving it.

    llcoollai
  • Greetings,

    I was Blessed to get a 99' ML320 for a great deal actually $9990 with 118k everything is in excellent condtion. It rides great I was thinking about a 2003 ML350 inspiration edition and after driving both they were in similiar condition. So when God presents a oppurtunity like this I had to jump on it. I also looked at an RX 300 , Infinit Qx4 and an Acura MDX and the ML is better in just about every category to me.
  • Does it mean after 4 yrs my ML350 will worth 25% of today's value? omg..
    I should have bought a civic.
  • mercaramercara Posts: 291
    99ML320 for $10K seems like a great deal. If the car has been maintained well, you should be fine for another 100K. I have a 99ML320 with about 60K and so far, I am happy with my truck.
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  • bfhengbfheng Posts: 2
    This is our second ML. (First post #54) Purchased 12-27-03
    2004 ML350 Brilliant Silver with Charcoal Leather Interior, Inspiration Edition pkg 2 (M1 & M2), Third row seats, Entertainment Package, dealer installed DVD Nav and trailer hitch.
    Much better ride than the 2000 ML and we like the seats. Had it checked for wind noise at fwy speeds and dealer replaced some parts but the wind noise is still there. Great SUV with many improvements.

    Bill
  • bluedartsbluedarts Posts: 1
    I have purchased a ML 350 2003 Make, in April 2004, from the dealer with 0Kms. I have paid 40K $. Did I end up paying a little extra?

    I love everything in my ML except the "WIND NOISE". This is sound is really annoying starting at a speed of 80KPM. A car of this class should not make such an annoying noise.

    Regards
    iQU
  • ahjmlahjml Posts: 5
    Hi All

    I just received my 2005 ML350 special edition. In fact I have seen a lot of bad comments from ML owners specially older models. However, I believe that it is a good car and I really love it. My car is equipped with a fix-phone, and tinted glass in addtion to other features like the Parctronic and CD changer, third row seating, power dome and front styling bar. It cost me $40M. How does this price seem?
  • Hi ALL
    I just got my ML 500. With Special Edition and Entertain and Sunroof.

    I just wonder if the Park Assistant (after market) is really useful because my early one was a coupe. That vehicle doesn't come with the Parktronic and the dealer siad he could not install it, only after market.

    Also, need a suggestion on how much shall I pay for an DVD system installed.

    thanks all
  • ahjmlahjml Posts: 5
    I found the Parktronic very useful specially at tight parking lots. With regard to the DVD, one of my friends installed it for ~$750

     

    How much did you pay for your car? Does it have a third-row seating?
  • i bought 6 ml so far .the 2003 500 is the best one so far. my wifes car of cource .is well built at 30k no problems at all i have a 2001 s500 love it best riding sedan ever..recently bought for my self a used 2003 acura mdx touring...i can say this is well put together. rides like car, and until the new ml comes out ill stay with the mdx. more room smoother ride and loving it
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,897
    The UK-based Mercedes Enthusiast magazine is searching for an ML55 AMG owner as part of a feature on the M-Class. It would only involve answering a few questions and sending us a photo of you & your car - not a lot but we'd appreciate it and you get to see your name in print!

    Wherever you live, if you're interested or know someone who might be, send an e-mail to jfallon@edmunds.com.

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  • myoldmlmyoldml Posts: 2
    My wife's '99ML seems to be stuck in low gear, and she's lost the owners manual. I'm going to call the dealer on Monday, but I thought I'd ask: Does low range automatically shut off when the ignition is turned off? It might solve her problem. Thanks.
  • mercaramercara Posts: 291
    I am guess that you see the Low range light on in the dash. You need to bring the car to a stop. Move the main gear selector to 'N' (Neutral) and then turn off the low-range by pressing the low range button on the dash.
  • My warranty will be end this year , has anyone know do i have to purchase extended warranty before warratny expired or after? thank you
  • pleubnerpleubner Posts: 1
    Can you send me roberts instructions? I've also setup new XENONS in my German(Imported into Switzerland) Brabus ML27CDI. The are not working properly. Did you have to go to the dealer to turn them on?.

    The instructions I worked from are:

    HALOGEN Connector (Cable from ML)

    ¦ A H ¦ A..... pink ..... low beam
    ¦ B G ¦ B.... orange
    ¦ C F ¦ C .... blue
    ¦ D E ¦ D .... not used
    E .... brown .. ground
    F .... green .... city light
    G .... white..... high beam
    H .... grey ..... fog light (connected to separate Brabus Spots)

    E-Code bi Xenon Headlight Connector

    ¦ A H ¦ A .... brown.........ground
    ¦ B G ¦ B .... not used
    ¦ C F ¦ C .... not used
    ¦ D E ¦ D ..... not used
    E .... brown ....... ground
    F .... White ....... high beam
    G .... gray ......... city light
    H ..... yelllow ..... low beam

    This meant that I need to pull out ( with pliers) and swap the following pins in the connector cable plug from the ML:-
    1. Pink
    The pink[low beam] needs to connect to "H" on the headlight
    2. Gray
    The gray[fog light] not implemented (wire directly to your fog lights)
    3. Swap white "G" & green "H"
    The white "G"[High Beam] needs to connect to "F" on the headlight
    The green "H"[city light] needs to connect to "G" city light

    Because there is only 1 Ground connector on the ML Cable (Brown), I hade to short "A" and "E" in the headlight as follows: -

    1. remove the plug on the Bi-XENON Headlight and connect on side of a new wire with (spade) the long spade on the inside of the plug, and the other side of the new wire with(solder) the ground terminal at the bottom of the Bi-Xenon reflector housing.
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