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2012 - 2013 Toyota Avalon

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  • Older Toyota Avalon Buyers will also court other car companies. I have been buying 1 to 2 new cars every 2 years for the last 30 years. Amoung those were an 03 avalon,an 06 Avalon and currently a 2011 Avalon that will NOT be traded for a 2013 Avalon. It is too small inside for my 6'1" 240 lb frame to enjoy. So I will be keeping the 2011 for many years or... Yesterday I tried a 2013 XTS not bad,but abit pricey. I will just keep looking or stay in my 2011 Avalon. Sorry toyota. Good luck with the younger buyers. I hope you do not lose more older buyers like me than new younger buyers for the redesigned Avalon.
  • aus1aus1 Posts: 20
    I am an older buyer and recently moved from an 08 to 12 Avalon and much prefer the slightly smaller size and more responsive handling. Although I enjoyed the 08 along with its ride, its overall feel on the road was a bit too much and a little sluggish/cumbersome.
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Sounds like you should have purchased the 2013, as it is:

    - noticeably smaller then the 2012
    - noticeably harsher a ride (with the 18" rims/tires)
    - noticeably sportier
    - noticeably louder on the highway (tire noise because of the wide profile)

    In my opinion.

    Skip
  • Yesterday the dealer calls, and said our 2013 Special ordered Limited just rolled off the truck. Amazing, as it was just being built this week. Keeping in mind, our dealer is 20 miles from the Toyota facility here in Kentucky, and the car still smelled like the interior of the Toyota facility, seriously, as I'm in that plant fairly often, and I know the smell.
    We took delivery last night, and my wife was very impressed. Coming from a 2008 Infinity G35x, (She also previously drove a 2006 Avalon) the 2013 Avalon is so much preferred over the very soft suspension and ride of the 2006. Not as taut as the Infinity (a good thing), but a refined ride, with a sportier feel, yet comfortable. Steering feel is so much better. Seats are more supportive than the previous Avalon (i.e. Firmer). The fit and finish is top rate, and the held over 3.5 V6 is as sweet as ever.

    So, while picking up the Avalon, I have my 2012 Camry Hybrid XLE in for its 15K service. Dealer temps me with a 2013 Avalon Hybrid, which they have a couple on hand, and offers a decent trade in for the Camry. I almost pulled the trigger, as I love the Camry Hybrid, so the Avalon Hybrid would be even better, but I came to my senses, and decided to hold off until we see how much she likes her Avalon. May end up being a 2 Avalon couple???
  • Actually I went from an '09 Lexus ES to the '13 Avalon Limited. So sorry I did that. The Avalon has the worst ride of any car I've driven. It is so harsh and choppy I can't wait to trade it in for something else.
  • trespinosranchtrespinosranch Posts: 27
    edited January 2013
    Wish I had my '09 Lexus ES back. I really don't think going to different tires/rims will change the terrible ride of the '13 Avalon Limited.

    I must say it has a very, very quiet ride and I love the technology package. But a lot of cars have that without getting beaten up to enjoy those options.
  • I love everything about my '13 Avalon Limited except the ride. In California the roads have gotten bad due to the economy and the Avalon lets you know every time you hit a bump or pothole. I swear that on some bumps you will not be sitting in the same place, you will get jerked around in your seat.

    I would get rid of this car today (after one month), but would be too embarrassed as I thought I was buying a luxury car...what I got was a sports tuned suspension.

    On perfectly smooth roads, the ride couldn't be more perfect.

    If you don't mind a very rough ride, it's a great car.
  • aus1aus1 Posts: 20
    Maybe I'll go back to a used Mini or MG Midget :)
  • jeffm5jeffm5 Posts: 110
    When I was on my home after taking delivery of my S60 I thought Geez, I don't remember the ride being this firm on the test drives. When I got home I checked the tires and they were way over inflated.
  • Yeah, that was my hope too. But the pressure was at 33 psi (factory specs) in all 4 tires.
  • bmahonbmahon Posts: 2
    Wonder if different tires might make a big difference like it did in my 2006 Prius?
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    edited January 2013
    Sat in the new Avalon yesterday at the auto show. I wasn't very impressed, its smaller than the older generation and I'm not a fan of the dash layout. The front end is worse in person as well. They took a radical departure from the 05-12 and not in a good way IMO.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Well I purchased a 2013, and after 2300 miles I traded it in on a 2012. Yes I was saddened by doing this on many levels.

    The 2013 was a wonderful car on many levels. The fits, finish and trim was very nice. The looks of the cars, was also very nice, but or me the ride and smaller size didn't work for me.

    I ended up trading it in on a 2012 Avalon. It's bigger, smoother and much quieter. Now some of this is likely to be because of things like the 17" tires vs the 18" I had on the '13. The fact that the larger tires were also low profile tires, so these were much louder on the highway than I was willing to deal with.

    These are jut my thoughts on the car.

    It would be interesting to hear what others think, and if they were go back, if not for the hit you take when trading in.

    Skip
  • how long you have it? was it financed? did they give you a hard time trading it back for a 2012? was the 2012 new?
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    I had it about 6 weeks or so. They questioned me trading it in, but had no problem taking it in trade on a New 2012 Avalon LTD.

    It wasn't finance totally. The hit cost me about $3000.00. More then I would have like it to be, but less then I expected.

    Skip
  • sounds like a super understandable dealer.that wouldnt fly here in nj. your lucky only 3,000. i have a 2012. fully loaded. never once considered the new avalon after seeing it's resemblance to a damn azera.you made a beautiful choice
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Not sure how much stock to put in what they said, but they said the deal was a GREAT one, because it was "Grand Opening" week, after a huge remodel, and they wanted to get some cars out the door?

    Skip

    2012 LTD in Cypress Green. I just ordered the floor mats from WeatherTech and I'll be getting a Remote Starter next (for these cold Maine winters).
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    My guess is, the fact they had 3 families in there right while I was trading, looking to buy a New Avalon, didn't hurt. Hell while I was signing the papers, they had already cleaned the car (Quickly) and had it on the front line?!

    Skip
  • allenoalleno Posts: 1
    Just retuned from 1000 mile trip in new 2013 Avalon Ltd . I feel as if had rode a steel wheel wagon that far. It feels like you are running over a rail road tie when the front end hits bumps. My semi and ford 250HD pickup ride better! I should have keep 2008 avalon. $42000 for that lumber wagon?
  • niceeee.i got the green too.lightly smoked the windows
  • I too feel beat up after just an hour drive. You described it very well....it is a lumber wagon!! I probably will only keep it for a year. Don't think I could take more torture than that.
  • I question whether cars like the Avalon/Lexus ES350 should be made more sporty, when these shoppers are LOOKING for soft, quiet rides?

    Toyota going for a younger buyers is a great idea, but people are living longer. If you are 60, you may buy 2-3 more cars. Chances are you aren't going anywhere in the next 20 years.

    Can't comment on the ride of the Avalon. But the styling inside and out looks great to me. And they can always recalibrate the suspension at the mid-gen refresh in 3 years. Toyota is pretty good about listening to their customers.

    If you are an owner, and are dissatisfied with the ride, the best way to handle that is to contact the offices in Torrence, CA. E-mail, tweet, facebook Toyota.

    I'm sure they are getting a lot of new buyers who are contacting them with positive reviews. But if a recurring theme appears that the car can be improved, Toyota will move on it.
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    :( Sorry to hear it, but I'm not totally surprised É disappointed, but not surprised.

    I to felt the same way,and after 2300 miles I traded it in on a 2012 Avalon, and Man what a difference.

    I agree with the person who said to let Toyota know, and so, I will post it in a s many places as I can that I wasn't happy with the ride of their "Premium Luxury Sedan" (their words, not mine).

    Skip
  • jeffm5jeffm5 Posts: 110
    Skip,

    I'm curious about something. You are obviously a well informed consumer who knows cars. What would you do differently to avoid making the wrong new car purchase? A longer test drive? Why wasn't the stiffer ride more apparent to you during test drives?

    I am not asking this to be critical of you, but to learn what you think you missed or misjudged so I can avoid it next time. Thanks!

    Jeff
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    I guess I should have seen if I could have used the car for a week or so, or at least on a smaller trip. The test ride was short, and YES I REALLY wanted the car, so it the time, I was taken back by it, and it's features, fit, finish and trim.

    The car is a WONDERFUL car in every aspect, expect those that matter to me most - Size, Comfort and road noise.

    I guess the bottom line is:

    - I should have taken a long test drive.
    - I should not have wanted the car so bad, so I could have waited to see what people were saying, then drove the car for a day or 2 and made up my own mind.
    - I should have waited until the car was available to rent, and rented one for a few days.

    The thought of taking the car out and putting 200, 300 hundred miles on it, does seem odd, and not likely, but it's what I should have done.

    Heck, smoother and bigger would have me not writing this.

    It has become apparent from other emails I've received that some folks have had enough of me on this car, so I'll not likely be responding, as my goal isn't to piss people folk, it's just to express my point of view.

    Skip
  • marv15marv15 Posts: 32
    Hi ncee,
    I did post earlier about the 2013 Avalon. I couldn't wait to buy one regardless of the front grill because overall from pictures I liked the styling. I went to my dealer and saw it, liked the styling, sat inside and felt a little cramped, then test drove it and felt the bumps like I was riding a toy car, and turned around and asked for a 2012 in Cypress green loaded like the 2011 I had. They gave me 24 grand for my 2011 avalon that had around 39 thousand miles on it. I thought that was a great deal. With the trade in I forked over 6,800 grand that included everything, taxes, dealer prep etc. I couldn't be happier. I don't feel the bumps, not crowded up front, over all for me a much nicer ride. Much more important then the styling. I jumped on the 2012 knowing this is the last time since they changed the room inside and ride that I would be able to buy an Avalon that fits me in every way. The leather in the 2013 is much stiffer then the 2012 as well. I had the first Avalon and many in between and will ride this one for 5 years and see what's out there after that. Ncee, I believe you did the right thing before you added more miles to the 2013. Why keep a car your not happy driving bump over bump and feeling every one and less room up front with head closer to roof over head. I was also upset that they decided to save money by not giving you a full spare, a smaller gas tank, the pockets on the front doors no longer pull out, and no cover over the coffee cup holders allowing for dust, so overall for what you pay for the new car, they cut corners on it and that bothered me as well for what I thought was a luxury car. They have to refine the ride, it's clunkity clunkity bump over bump. Those that say they love the ride, I feel if they had a 2011, or 12 they would be bothered by it. GLTA.
  • jeffm5jeffm5 Posts: 110
    Skip,
    Thanks for your candor. Most of us, including me, have made the same "mistakes" you made somewhere during our car buying days.

    I find your posts honest and informative, so I hope I see more of them here.

    Jeff
  • i love my 2012 because the back resembles a mercedez benz.nuff said
  • tweakertweaker Posts: 30
    Skip, thanks for sharing your experience. I to have made this mistake many years ago. As when I bought the '05, I was anticipating a great new model. Well, thanks for helping me decide.
    M
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    I'm sure many of us have made car buying mistakes. I bought an early build 2009 Genesis after owning an 06 Avalon. The ride was terrible, and after two years it had to go!

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

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