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2012 - 2013 Toyota Avalon

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  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Agreed, but then again, I'd rather have seen an older LS grill / front end then this current one.

    And I for one, wanted the car to be a bit bigger (making the comparisons to camry a bit harder)

    No one, not even me, wants to be buying a glorified camry, when purchasing an avalon.

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  • finfin atlantaPosts: 589
    Nice looking car, thanks for the link and post... Why did we get this front end and the Aussie's get the LS460 look? This is rediculous..... it's a beauty down under, for us it's.....something else. What were they thinking? Maybe we will get the other front end the second year, if slow sales don't kill off the line completely. And, as I have posted before, the ONLY thing that keeps the Avalon in production is the fact it is not expensive to make along side the Camry. It's just a little more gravy on the mashed potatos... any other way, the car would have been history long ago, trust me..
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    No one, not even me, wants to be buying a glorified camry, when purchasing an avalon.

    Well some would argue that the Avalon was always a glorified Camry. IMHO there was always enough differences (especially size) that it was worth it. Heck, I've owned two of them and loved them both. This new model is doing nothing for me, what a shame.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • nceencee Posts: 419
    And another nice feature of the Aurion, is the 60/40 split rear seat, although the interior on the New Avalon looks better then the Aurion to me.

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  • jeffm5jeffm5 Posts: 111
    Having owned a 98 Avy XLS and, currently, an 05 Avy Limited, I was so looking forward to the 2013 Avy as a replacement for my 05, which has been the best car I have ever owned. Sorry guys, but my wife and I just can't get past that front grill. Considered a Taurus, LaCrosse, CTS, ES350, Acura TL, VW CC, Azera. Ended up with a loaded 2013 Volvo S60 T5, which was not even on my radar 3 months ago. I take delivery next month. Believe me, I'll be sad and my wife will be in tears when we hand over our Avy remotes.
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    And with all the other options you listed, how did the Volvo end up the winner?

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  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,289
    edited June 2012
    And, as I have posted before, the ONLY thing that keeps the Avalon in production is the fact it is not expensive to make along side the Camry.

    The 2013 Avalon needs to be a winner to reverse the sales slide of the past dozen years. The hideous grill certainly won't help matters as expressed by many in this forum. Here are the sales data for Version 2.0 and 3.0 respectively:

    2000---104,078
    2001-- -83,005
    2002--- 69,029
    2003--- 50,911
    2004--- 36,460
    2005--- 95,318
    2006---88,938
    2007-- -72,945
    2008--- 42,790
    2009--- 26,935
    2010--- 28,390
    2011--- 28,925

    Source: http://www.answers.com/topic/toyota-avalon#ixzz1zC69Tc5r
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    The sales slide as the model gets stale. It happens to a lot of makes/models.

    2000 (Gen 2) had its best years early in the run. 04 was a very light year knowing Gen 3 was coming and was a huge difference (including an all new engine, the 2GR V6).

    The current Avalon basically dates back to 05 and IMHO is very long in the tooth (while still being a damn fine car).

    If Toyota was serious about keeping a large floaty car in the lineup they would have brought a heavily refreshed version around 2 years ago. If it were me I would have brought the DI version of the 3.5 (from the IS/GS 350) and changed up the looks while keeping the size and ride.

    They unfortunately are trying to please everyone and are playing the hybrid game and making it too close to the Camry. I don't know how they plan on selling it. It already overlapped with the ES350 in terms of price, now that it's smaller what's the point? The main reason I bought my Avalons over an ES was the fact it was roomier.

    All this is a moot point anyway, as again IMHO the photos we have seen show the new Avalon to be butt ugly with a face only a mother could love.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Numbers don't lie, but they can be a bit deceiving.

    - The Economy?
    - High Gas Prices?
    - Lower Used Car Prices?
    - Increased pushing of Camry
    - New exciting models from the competition?
    - Folks keeping their cars longer?
    - Leasing Options?
    - Other car sales for same periods?

    I see A LOT more Avalon's on the road in the last year, then I use to see. Are all 28,000 being sold on the East Coast?

    All interesting questions.

    Will the New Avalon sell more / better É YES! Will it be enough to turn it around?

    They can't make sweeping changes next year, as this is a pretty big change and new body changes aren't cheap or practical to make the next model year.

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  • jeffm5jeffm5 Posts: 111
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    The short answer is that the S60 meets our needs and I wanted something a little different. We wanted a car that is smaller than thr Avy, but did not want to sacrifice, comfort, ride, fuel economy. The front seats in the S60 are very comfortable. Plenty of power and I'll get around 30 MPG on the highway on regular gas. Also, while we both have outstanding driving records, I'm the first to admit that at 62 my vision/hearing/reflexes aren't what they used to be, so I appreciate the numerous safety features the Volvo has. The LaCrosse is a very nice car, but those thick A pillars were a deal breaker. The ES350 is also a great car, but I see them all over the place here. I've always felt that European cars were more expensive to maintain than American or Japanese, but Volvo has free maintenance and covers repairs, including brakes, for 5 yrs/50K miles. The dealership also offers free loaners for the life of the car. The service dept. is also more "upscale" than any Toyota dealership in my area. So all of this factored in.
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Sounds like all great reasons to me.

    I had considered Volvo's some time back, and then got hooked on Toyota's (plus the dealer buy's a TON of promotional / marketing stuff from us), and because of that, I went with Toyota's. So far, glad we did. 3 Avalons, 3 Camrys, a 4 Runner, and 2 Tercels, later, no problems with any of these.

    I'm hoping the new Avalon grows on me.

    Enjoy the Volvo.

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  • nceencee Posts: 419
    I know it's not a great job, but here is the 2013 with the top grill red, the bottom grill red, and both grills red (or whatever color the car would be)

    - http://www.flickr.com/photos/vonstringcaldinkal/7521273270/in/photostream
    - http://www.flickr.com/photos/vonstringcaldinkal/7521273254/in/photostream
    - http://www.flickr.com/photos/vonstringcaldinkal/7521299128/in/photostream

    And the winner is?

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  • finfin atlantaPosts: 589
    This calls to mind the question: "If a glass is half filled with water, is it half full or half empty?" We all choose one response, or the other, depending on our personal thoughts.... except the IT guy in the office who responds, "The glass is too big..." :)
    Thanks for posting the links.....
  • ushy66ushy66 Posts: 199
    Let's face it, as much as I and countless others try to warm up to the front end design that the so called design experts at Toyota in Michigan and California have come up with, I cannot warm up to the 2013 Avalon terrible front end design execution. It is extremely offensive! It is terrible design execution! Do the people with decision making abilities at Toyota have the cahoonas to admit they are wrong, that they screwed up in accepting this poor excuse of contemporary line design on paper that looks so ugly in real form, or will they let their egos ruin an otherwise good looking car go down the tubes and make a lot of people extremely unhappy, and not buy their product? You guys at Toyota, I thought one of your main goals is to sell product, right? Well how do you expect to do that with such a polarizing, offensive, ugly front end? Don't you guys at Toyota have any common sense...at all? Yes, initially I thought the design was cool, but I made a mistake and am willing to admit it. Aren't you?

    Jake
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Well not AS bad once you put a front plate on it?

    - http://www.flickr.com/photos/vonstringcaldinkal/7583263288

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  • finfin atlantaPosts: 589
    edited July 2012
    Ok.. so the largemouth bass caught a minnow... It still doesn't work. :P
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Works better É I think.

    Also figuring Toyota isn't going to change the grill for the 2013 model, I just want to convince myself it's better:)

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  • nceencee Posts: 419
    I'm still hoping a painted lower grill (painted the same color as the car) will look better. I've talked about it with my local paint shop, and he's sure he can do it, and it will look nice, just not sure if it will be the answer.

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  • douglas1douglas1 Posts: 130
    I guess I'm the only one who likes the grill. I thought it was a little over the top at first but then I thought the Audi grill was a little over the top too.
  • ushy66ushy66 Posts: 199
    edited July 2012
    Thanks, but no thanks.

    If Toyota remains bullheaded and does not change/reconsider the 2013 front end/grill design, I just may jump ship too like Jeffm5. I will now start to seriously look at the competition over next 12 mos: Nissan Altima (2013 SL), Nissan Maxima (2014, when it is introduced in ~ 12 mos), Hyundai Azera (2013), Hyundai Genesis (2014 MY change due in ~ 12 mos), etc. I have been a loyal Toyota owner in past, but...the design wonks at Toyota are changing that. Even dumb politicians have the common sense to appeal to their base, but apparently not Toyota. I am frustrated with the lack of leadership and bad design execution at Toyota. Reminds me of the poor design decision-making that was done at Acura with their polarizing 'bagel cutter' looking grill design that caused many previously loyal Acura followers to look and go elsewhere, jump ship, for the last several years.

    Jake
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    edited July 2012
    This makes for interesting wondering?

    - http://pressroom.toyota.com/releases/lexus+pricing+2013+es350+es300h.htm

    So will the avalon be less, and if so, how much? Because to close, will have a lot of folks jumping ship to Lexus??? Is this their plane all along?

    Anything less then $4,000.00 lower, will make it VERY hard for me not to switch.

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  • nceencee Posts: 419
    isn't a lot lower.

    This will be interesting to see what happens. For me, being on the inside and driving 40,000 miles a year, the inside is REAL important to me, and well, the Lexus looks a lot nice, as well it should, but at a base price that's less then a LTD Avalon???

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  • kenb757kenb757 Posts: 149
    I like the wood in the Avalon better. But, did anyone else notice the seat styles look identical in these shots? My guess is the Avalon will ride a little softer, but the Lexus will be a little quieter. Observations are based on current models.
  • potat0epotat0e Posts: 12
    What am I missing?

    Lexus 350 - 36.1
    Lexus 350h - 38.85

    So, Lexus's hybrid version costs @ 2.75 MORE.

    Edmunds says

    Camry XLE V6 - 30.1
    Camry XLE Hybrid - 27.5

    So, the Camry hybrid costs 2.6 LESS than the V6.

    Aren't they essentially the same car? Same platform, identical power trains? With the Avalon, that makes 3 versions of the same car. Didn't GM get a lot of criticism for "badge engineering" the same car over and over, for Olds and Buick and Pontiac? Guess Toyota still thinks it's a good idea.

    But, the main thing that I can't make sense of is the cost of the hybrid. Can it be right that it costs more in one case and less in the other? Then, maybe it will cost the same in the Avalon?

    I can say one thing: If the Avalon's hybrid comes with a Lexus-like surcharge, it would be extremely hard to pick it over the Camry hybrid.
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Not sure but I think ILike the placement of the GPS screen more in the Avalon, then the ES? But the overall dash appears to be much nicer in the ES.

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  • marv15marv15 Posts: 32
    I visited with my Toyota Dealer today and met with the owner of the dealership. He told me one car will be delivered to the dealerships in Oct. Then he told me something I haven't read anywhere. He went on line and was surprised that he couldn't find it anywhere as well. Well unless he has been lied to, the Avalon as you all know will be available in a hybrid version, but guess what, a RWD (rear wheel drive and an AWD (all wheel drive) for more money will also be available, no more front wheel drive. I said it couldn't be possible that it hasn't been listed on the internet or anywhere at this point, but he assured me its true. If so, they have me definitely as a buyer, even though I'm not in love with the grill. Just thought I would pass this information on.
  • douglas1douglas1 Posts: 130
    Sorry to disappoint but at the April 5 introduction at the New York Auto Show Toyota specifically said the Avalon would still be front wheel drive. Your dealer is mistaken.
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    And after 45 minutes or so at my local dealer, accessing the "Dealers Only Web Site" we (the owner and I) couldn't find anything about RWD and or AWD:(

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    PS His dealer rep said they should start seeing more information, pictures in the next month or so.
  • lntlnt Posts: 192
    I have always hated the seats in my 05 Limited Avalon, but loved everything else about it. It only has 54,000 so really can't see trading it, but just returned from 8 hour drive and swore that would be the last time! I am wondering if the '13' seats will be improved. Can'y really stand the grill either. Thinking about trading for an 2012 that is same color as mine that has 15,000 miles, but they want $30,000 - it is not a Limited. I know others have complained about the limited seats. The only thing about the non-limited seats is that they are so short and don't have the seat extension. Anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do? Has anyone solved the problem of the horrible seats on the limited? At least the driver's side. I think the cooling fan is the problem plus the seam across the back is uncomfortable.
  • jeffm5jeffm5 Posts: 111
    I just traded an 05 Avalon Limited for a 2013 Volvo S60. The front leather seats are very comfortable. They are heated but not cooled. The Volvo is very comfortable in front, but the back seat is tiny compared to the Avalon.
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