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2012 - 2013 Toyota Avalon

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  • nceencee Posts: 419
    In-there lays the problem, resolve, issues.

    Do you buy a car with great seat for the driver, and all other seats and space, is what it is.

    There is and always will be a compromise.

    Seeing you (or the driver) drive the car ALL the time seems to make sense that you get that seat as comfortable as possible. And hope the other seats and space in the car works ok of the passengers É or the drivers seat is ok, as is all the other seats and space.

    AND OR

    You spend a lot more money to hopefully get the best of all worlds, and everyone is very comfortable and there is a ton of space to relax and enjoy the ride.

    While Volvo's are great cars, for me they are just 2 small, so I get by with the seats in my current Avalon. I say Current, because I too, hope the DRIVERS seat in my 2013 Avalon will be more comfortable on LONG drives (500 miles or more a day).

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    PS My rear passengers have NEVER complained about the rear seats, hell they all rave about them.
  • jeffm5jeffm5 Posts: 111
    I agree Skip. The rear of my 05 Avy was limo like. It's just that my wife & I don't need that much room back there anymore. As I've said in other posts, my Avalon was the best car I've owned to date.
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Please don't misunderstand me, Volvo's (Not Ford models:)) are fine vehicles and of the choices out there, likely to be one I too, would go with.

    I travel a lot (I think a lot 35,000 miles a year), and like the space the Avalon offers, as do the passengers on those occasions when I have them. But I also like the space for carrying inventory and orders.

    My friends say I should get a truck as much as I use my car for delivering, but not if it means - Truck and no car.

    Enjoy (as I'm sure you are) your new ride.

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  • nceencee Posts: 419
    It appears that I can change the route of a trip, by simply touching on the screen in the area that I want to go, is it that simple?

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    PS I'll be heading out to my car to trying this and other things, as that would make the Nav a whole hell of a lot better then I first thought.

    Now I know it will pickup where I am, and if I change directions, after a while it will finish the trip from my new point of entry, but if I can change and know it's now taking my new route, this will be cool:)
  • chrispepinchrispepin Posts: 3
    edited August 2012
    Photos and videos are available available online
    http://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/avalon/

    All 2013 Avalons will be FWD. A hybrid option will be available. 2013 Avalon pricing hasn't been announced but expect pricing less than the 2013 Lexus ES 350 which shares the same body and engines ($36,100 for the base, $38,850 for the hybrid)
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Interesting how Toyota now refers to the Avalon as "premium mid size". The previous models were "large" classified vehicles.

    I really don't understand this car. It has a front end that is just awful. It's also now smaller so even more overlap with the Camry and ES.

    Have engines been announced? I certainly hope they give it the direct injected version of the 2GR V6. 300 ish HP vs 268 of the regular 2gr.

    As of right now I'll take the 05-12 version any day.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • djrc08861djrc08861 Posts: 52
    edited August 2012
    i would easily trade it in for a 2012.seats are ridiculously comfortable.30,000 for a non limited is kind of steep though
  • lntlnt Posts: 190
    My 05 Avalon is in the body shop now. A lady in a truck with a trailer hitch backed into me while I was getting gas at the gas station. Nice round hole in front bumper. Anyway, I drove a 2012 Avalon while riding around in my rented camry. The seats in it felt just like mine. If I had of had my eyes closed, I wouldn't have been able to tell it wasn't my car. So guess I'll get a cushion and put in the seat!
  • kenb757kenb757 Posts: 149
    If the new Avalon is rwd, then the Lexus ES 350 will be rwd also. Nein on both counts.
  • potat0epotat0e Posts: 12
    You mention putting a cushion in the seat, so I have to tell you my story. I bought a new 2000 Avalon XLS with bench seats. The driver's seat looked identical to the ones that came with the console and I didn't think to check the adjustments. Well, it turned out that the seats that came with the console had adjustable lumbar support, but the bench seat models had fixed lumbar support. From hell. Well, at least my bad back didn't like it. At all. PAIN.

    OK, I found just the right pillow and put it in just the right place and everything was fine. Really comfortable. A few years pass and I'm at the dealer, getting an oil change. Another customer asks me about my pillow and the dealer's service guy overhears my story. He steps up big. "You shouldn't pay over $30K for a car and then have to use a pillow like that." He called Toyota. The car was 3 years old (out of warranty). Didn't matter. He got Toyota to agree to customize the seat for me. He sent me to a local auto upholstery shop. The guy pulled the seat, took it apart and re-contoured the lumbar area. Didn't cost me a penny. Did the trick, too.

    I sure was impressed. Still am. With the dealer and with Toyota too.
  • lntlnt Posts: 190
    WOW! You must have a great dealer. I complained to the dealer I bought the car from and begged them to do something. They said they couldn't do anything about it. Went to my dealer that I have all my service done at and they said they couldn't do anything about it, also. I even ask them who did their after market leather on their cars and they said they wouldn't be able to fix the seats either. I can stand it around town, it's just when I drive on a long trip.
  • lntlnt Posts: 190
    I just got my 05 Avalon back from the body shop. Looks brand new. I am wondering if anyone out there that has an older model car had the 3m film put on the bumper and hood. I am wondering how it holds up as it ages. Any discoloration? Does it peel off? Does the color of the car look different than it does under them film since that paint doesn't get polished? I would like to have it put on my bumper since toyota paint quality is so bad. My old bumper looked awful with all the rock chips and I don't drive on the highway except about 3 times a year and I am very careful not to follow behind trucks, etc. The body shop guy said I would have to wait 90 days. By that time, it will probably already have chips, but if not, I'd like to have it put on just the bumper. The hood and mirrors have too many chips.
  • potat0epotat0e Posts: 12
    Great dealer, yes. Why not give them credit right here: Concord Toyota, Concord, CA.
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    I haven't, but will give it serious consideration on my 2013, at least the door handles if nothing else, but likely the hood as well.

    A few places I've found good information on this product.

    - http://www.automotivearticles.com/123/Clear_Bra_3M.shtml
    - http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Scotchgard_Paint_Protection/Film/Sol- utions/For_the_Consumer/
    - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY_Rd6xur_I

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  • finfin atlantaPosts: 588
    Here is a link that may be of interest... Nice car !! But I still don't like the grille...

    http://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/avalon/

    Fin....
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Sure would be nice to see something new added to this web site:(

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  • nceencee Posts: 419
    A bit long in the tooth, but you get some nice info and pic's of a color we've yet to see anything on.

    - http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/25070759

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  • nceencee Posts: 419
    In the interview link I just posted at one point they do show the Blue Avalon É here's hoping.

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  • nceencee Posts: 419
    I stopped by my friendly Toyota dealer today and picked up a nice brochure all about the New Avalon. It doesn't have pictures of the many colors or options as such, it's more a piece about the car i.e., how, why when É

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  • I read in this 9/6/12 article that the tire sizes will be less wide on the 2013 Avalon, as that improves gas milage: "Less mass makes Avalon more responsive and engaging near handling limits,” Katarzynski explained. “Also, with less mass, less tire width is needed to reach competitive grip levels. The smaller width helps minimize drag losses to help enhance fuel economy, too.”

    http://www.torquenews.com/1075/toyotas-weight-reduction-strategy-makes-2013-aval- on-lighter-more-fuel-efficient

    Yet, I think that there will be a 17 inch available like on my 2001 LS 430 EuroSport. Does anyone know what all the available choices for width will be? Thanks.
  • Thanks, I'll sign up to get Toyota updates. But, I'm hoping some "spy" info will show up on some blog, along with the width sizes available. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that if the Avalon has too skinny a width, the car won't handle the way that Toyota says they're going for = Better Handling! But, they may be willing to sacrifice that for improved gas mileage?
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    .6" shouldn't be a deal breaker for handling?

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  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Well if this proofs to be true, they will succeed in getting folks to move up to the Lexus line, OR
    go to something else all together.

    This pricing came form one of the web site discussing the All New Avalon. The way I see it, if the ES went down in price, then so will the Avalon, if not that is going to suck, because it's safe to say that at the $38,000.00 this will be a base model:( I'm sorry, but this just seems way to expensive to me. If they wanted folks to switch. then just don't up-date the Avalon.

    I'm going to say, these folks are flat out wrong, and the price range will be more like $32,500.00 to $37,900.00.

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  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Currently they show a Avalon and a Avalon Limited for 2012, but the 2013 shows the Base and an XLE version so far.

    So is it going to be:

    - Base (XL)
    - XLE (Is this going to be the Limited Version?)
    - Limited?
    - Hybrid
    - Sports Edition?

    That's a lot of choices. Not sure if that's the way to go. Sure you'll be able to get closer to what you want, but 5 models?

    - $32,500.00
    - $35,000.00
    - $37,900.00
    - $39,500.00
    - $41,900.00

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  • nceencee Posts: 419
    The tagline will be introduced into Toyota advertising on Dec. 31, as part of the launch for the redesigned 2013 Avalon full-sized sedan.

    At these this is what Toyota Motor Corp said today.

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  • The Avalon and ES are on a new, larger platform than the Camry, so they definitely out-class the Camry. The Avalon Hybrid will have the new, upgraded Camry Hybrid power train, though (up from 158bhp to 200 this year, I think). The ES will also use that power train.

    The price comparison for the Camry Hybrid should be against the I4, I think, not the V6, although I see what you are doing there.

    I am hoping to get into a loaded Avalon Hybrid for around $40K this year, as opposed to around $50K for a loaded ES Hybrid. I could get a Camry Hybrid for lots less, but it is also much less car (mid-size versus full-size).
  • The Avalon has not changed it was always on the 111" wheel base and the ES was on the Camry platform. The 2013 ES is now built on the Avalon Chassis which increase rear seat leg room by 4". The ES was always a dress up Camry and the Avalon in my eye was a dressed down LS. I've own both car and for the money the Avalon is a superior automobile. And if ES pricing is an indicator the Hybrid Avalon will be a $2500 premium over the gas model. With a fully loaded Avalon around $36.5k msrp and a Hybrid $39k. I bet if you wait until spring you'll be able to get the Avalon Hybrid for under $37k. I don't think they will sell many compared to the Lexus or Camry Hybrid's numbers. I almost got the 2013 ES Navigation and roof it was $43.7k msrp last month. I was quoted $41.1k+ttl @ $45k OTD. I decide to wait for the Avalon release to actually see the car in person before I chose. I know the Avalon is the better value but it's just so plain and ugly hoping the new style changes all of that lol.
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