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2012 - 2013 Toyota Avalon

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  • nceencee Posts: 419
    edited July 2012
    This makes for interesting wondering?

    - http://pressroom.toyota.com/releases/lexus+pricing+2013+es350+es300h.htm

    So will the avalon be less, and if so, how much? Because to close, will have a lot of folks jumping ship to Lexus??? Is this their plane all along?

    Anything less then $4,000.00 lower, will make it VERY hard for me not to switch.

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  • nceencee Posts: 419
    isn't a lot lower.

    This will be interesting to see what happens. For me, being on the inside and driving 40,000 miles a year, the inside is REAL important to me, and well, the Lexus looks a lot nice, as well it should, but at a base price that's less then a LTD Avalon???

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  • kenb757kenb757 Posts: 149
    I like the wood in the Avalon better. But, did anyone else notice the seat styles look identical in these shots? My guess is the Avalon will ride a little softer, but the Lexus will be a little quieter. Observations are based on current models.
  • potat0epotat0e Posts: 12
    What am I missing?

    Lexus 350 - 36.1
    Lexus 350h - 38.85

    So, Lexus's hybrid version costs @ 2.75 MORE.

    Edmunds says

    Camry XLE V6 - 30.1
    Camry XLE Hybrid - 27.5

    So, the Camry hybrid costs 2.6 LESS than the V6.

    Aren't they essentially the same car? Same platform, identical power trains? With the Avalon, that makes 3 versions of the same car. Didn't GM get a lot of criticism for "badge engineering" the same car over and over, for Olds and Buick and Pontiac? Guess Toyota still thinks it's a good idea.

    But, the main thing that I can't make sense of is the cost of the hybrid. Can it be right that it costs more in one case and less in the other? Then, maybe it will cost the same in the Avalon?

    I can say one thing: If the Avalon's hybrid comes with a Lexus-like surcharge, it would be extremely hard to pick it over the Camry hybrid.
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Not sure but I think ILike the placement of the GPS screen more in the Avalon, then the ES? But the overall dash appears to be much nicer in the ES.

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  • marv15marv15 Posts: 32
    I visited with my Toyota Dealer today and met with the owner of the dealership. He told me one car will be delivered to the dealerships in Oct. Then he told me something I haven't read anywhere. He went on line and was surprised that he couldn't find it anywhere as well. Well unless he has been lied to, the Avalon as you all know will be available in a hybrid version, but guess what, a RWD (rear wheel drive and an AWD (all wheel drive) for more money will also be available, no more front wheel drive. I said it couldn't be possible that it hasn't been listed on the internet or anywhere at this point, but he assured me its true. If so, they have me definitely as a buyer, even though I'm not in love with the grill. Just thought I would pass this information on.
  • douglas1douglas1 Posts: 130
    Sorry to disappoint but at the April 5 introduction at the New York Auto Show Toyota specifically said the Avalon would still be front wheel drive. Your dealer is mistaken.
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    And after 45 minutes or so at my local dealer, accessing the "Dealers Only Web Site" we (the owner and I) couldn't find anything about RWD and or AWD:(

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    PS His dealer rep said they should start seeing more information, pictures in the next month or so.
  • lntlnt Posts: 188
    I have always hated the seats in my 05 Limited Avalon, but loved everything else about it. It only has 54,000 so really can't see trading it, but just returned from 8 hour drive and swore that would be the last time! I am wondering if the '13' seats will be improved. Can'y really stand the grill either. Thinking about trading for an 2012 that is same color as mine that has 15,000 miles, but they want $30,000 - it is not a Limited. I know others have complained about the limited seats. The only thing about the non-limited seats is that they are so short and don't have the seat extension. Anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do? Has anyone solved the problem of the horrible seats on the limited? At least the driver's side. I think the cooling fan is the problem plus the seam across the back is uncomfortable.
  • jeffm5jeffm5 Posts: 106
    I just traded an 05 Avalon Limited for a 2013 Volvo S60. The front leather seats are very comfortable. They are heated but not cooled. The Volvo is very comfortable in front, but the back seat is tiny compared to the Avalon.
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    In-there lays the problem, resolve, issues.

    Do you buy a car with great seat for the driver, and all other seats and space, is what it is.

    There is and always will be a compromise.

    Seeing you (or the driver) drive the car ALL the time seems to make sense that you get that seat as comfortable as possible. And hope the other seats and space in the car works ok of the passengers É or the drivers seat is ok, as is all the other seats and space.

    AND OR

    You spend a lot more money to hopefully get the best of all worlds, and everyone is very comfortable and there is a ton of space to relax and enjoy the ride.

    While Volvo's are great cars, for me they are just 2 small, so I get by with the seats in my current Avalon. I say Current, because I too, hope the DRIVERS seat in my 2013 Avalon will be more comfortable on LONG drives (500 miles or more a day).

    Skip

    PS My rear passengers have NEVER complained about the rear seats, hell they all rave about them.
  • jeffm5jeffm5 Posts: 106
    I agree Skip. The rear of my 05 Avy was limo like. It's just that my wife & I don't need that much room back there anymore. As I've said in other posts, my Avalon was the best car I've owned to date.
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Please don't misunderstand me, Volvo's (Not Ford models:)) are fine vehicles and of the choices out there, likely to be one I too, would go with.

    I travel a lot (I think a lot 35,000 miles a year), and like the space the Avalon offers, as do the passengers on those occasions when I have them. But I also like the space for carrying inventory and orders.

    My friends say I should get a truck as much as I use my car for delivering, but not if it means - Truck and no car.

    Enjoy (as I'm sure you are) your new ride.

    Skip
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    It appears that I can change the route of a trip, by simply touching on the screen in the area that I want to go, is it that simple?

    Skip

    PS I'll be heading out to my car to trying this and other things, as that would make the Nav a whole hell of a lot better then I first thought.

    Now I know it will pickup where I am, and if I change directions, after a while it will finish the trip from my new point of entry, but if I can change and know it's now taking my new route, this will be cool:)
  • chrispepinchrispepin Posts: 3
    edited August 2012
    Photos and videos are available available online
    http://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/avalon/

    All 2013 Avalons will be FWD. A hybrid option will be available. 2013 Avalon pricing hasn't been announced but expect pricing less than the 2013 Lexus ES 350 which shares the same body and engines ($36,100 for the base, $38,850 for the hybrid)
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Interesting how Toyota now refers to the Avalon as "premium mid size". The previous models were "large" classified vehicles.

    I really don't understand this car. It has a front end that is just awful. It's also now smaller so even more overlap with the Camry and ES.

    Have engines been announced? I certainly hope they give it the direct injected version of the 2GR V6. 300 ish HP vs 268 of the regular 2gr.

    As of right now I'll take the 05-12 version any day.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • djrc08861djrc08861 Posts: 52
    edited August 2012
    i would easily trade it in for a 2012.seats are ridiculously comfortable.30,000 for a non limited is kind of steep though
  • lntlnt Posts: 188
    My 05 Avalon is in the body shop now. A lady in a truck with a trailer hitch backed into me while I was getting gas at the gas station. Nice round hole in front bumper. Anyway, I drove a 2012 Avalon while riding around in my rented camry. The seats in it felt just like mine. If I had of had my eyes closed, I wouldn't have been able to tell it wasn't my car. So guess I'll get a cushion and put in the seat!
  • kenb757kenb757 Posts: 149
    If the new Avalon is rwd, then the Lexus ES 350 will be rwd also. Nein on both counts.
  • potat0epotat0e Posts: 12
    You mention putting a cushion in the seat, so I have to tell you my story. I bought a new 2000 Avalon XLS with bench seats. The driver's seat looked identical to the ones that came with the console and I didn't think to check the adjustments. Well, it turned out that the seats that came with the console had adjustable lumbar support, but the bench seat models had fixed lumbar support. From hell. Well, at least my bad back didn't like it. At all. PAIN.

    OK, I found just the right pillow and put it in just the right place and everything was fine. Really comfortable. A few years pass and I'm at the dealer, getting an oil change. Another customer asks me about my pillow and the dealer's service guy overhears my story. He steps up big. "You shouldn't pay over $30K for a car and then have to use a pillow like that." He called Toyota. The car was 3 years old (out of warranty). Didn't matter. He got Toyota to agree to customize the seat for me. He sent me to a local auto upholstery shop. The guy pulled the seat, took it apart and re-contoured the lumbar area. Didn't cost me a penny. Did the trick, too.

    I sure was impressed. Still am. With the dealer and with Toyota too.
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