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2012 - 2013 Toyota Avalon

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  • finfin atlantaPosts: 588
    Your post shows what auto makers have known and discussed for decades: stale merchandise. Notice that in both model runs the 4th year sales are half or less than the first year. The novelty has worn off, the product is tired, needs to be replaced. Only the absolute best of makes and models can go 4 or more years and hold up sales numbers near the first two years. It happens, yes. But they are the absolute most popular cars of their market segment. A minor adjustment here or there gets you maybe 2 more years max if you are really good.
    Thanks for the sales numbers, hope the new edition sells well...... I like everything except that grille...
  • It also shows a weak mid-ben facelift.

    Every vehicle gets a facelift during it's lifecycle. Toyota has said they will go to 6 years lifecycles for their vehicles, and every 3 years, they will do powertrain updates/changes.

    So if Avalon can get direct injection in 3 years, that should boost power, efficiency, and give sales a shot in the arm when it needs it most.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    they will do powertrain updates/changes

    The 2GR V6 has been unchanged in every Toyota vehicle since debuting in the 2005 Avalon

    There is already a DI version of the 2GR, but it's reserved for the Lexus IS and IIRC the GS.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • So the Toyotas may inherit those engines, and the Lexus versions may get tuned for more power.

    If they haven't been updated since 2005, that means they're do. :blush:

    Nothing lasts forever.
  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,183
    edited December 2012
    I had to chuckle a bit as I watched Motorweek's video review of the 2013 Avalon.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrETtolrb9U

    Enjoy!
  • douglas1douglas1 Posts: 130
    I am not a big fan of the tricolor interiors, black, almond and brown in the Motorweek test car. Also not a fan of the tricolor light gray interior which is black, light gray and some sort of blue.

    If I get a 2013 Avalon it's going to be Champagne Mica with black interior.
  • aus1aus1 Posts: 20
    Motorweek's review of most cars is a little overblown and hard to swallow.
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    This is often the case with most reports. I do enjoy the reviews / reports but try to take them all with a grain of salt. After all, what they like I might hate, and what they hate, I might like.

    The bottom line is, it's my butt in the drivers seat, and at the bank each week making the payments, so I'm the only one who has to like it.

    They SOMETIMES offer small tidbits or point out things I might miss, so it's ok to get other points of views.

    Skip

    PS They are all saying the BIG grill is a turn-off, and I have YET to have anyone say anything about it? Maybe like I said some time back, once you stick the front license plate on it, the grill ISN'T an issue anymore, or at least, not as BIG an issue.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,636
    Disagree totally, Motorweek does a pretty good job on these and are quite interesting to watch...I've enjoyed this show since it debuted many years ago...great show!

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • finfin atlantaPosts: 588
    This has been posted here many times before:

    The bottom line is, it's my butt in the drivers seat, and at the bank each week making the payments, so I'm the only one who has to like it.

    Agree completely... if I don't like the grille, I buy something else. Whoever makes the payments wins the right to enjoy the car, just that simple.

    For now I keep the '07 Limited, if the '13 grille becomes a non-event in time, I buy. These are great cars, I've enjoyed each of the 3 generations... it would be hard to buy another make except Lexus, which I really can't see buying just for the "L" and warm cookies in the service waiting area. Then again, the cookies are... tempting.... :)
  • aus1aus1 Posts: 20
    edited December 2012
    I totally agree it's interesting to watch however, that's because the show is built on a foundation of entertainment as they lob marshmallows at the vehicles they claim to review. Their goal is to survive while not ruffling the feathers of their corporate sponsors that includes auto corporations. They understandably follow the money and their reviews are milquetoast when compared to a trusted and recognized organization like Consumer Reports.
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Ok folks. I haven't had a chance to stop by the dealer and see if my radio is screwed up or not.

    When I hit the AM, or FM or SAT buttons, the screen stays the same. It does go to a channel that is on AM or FM or SAT, but then I have to go search for it, as the screen doesn't go to AM, FM or SAT., it stays right where it is. Is this right?

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  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,183
    When I hit the AM, or FM or SAT buttons, the screen stays the same.

    The electronics behind Entune and other telematics on the market today are mind boggling. Here is a video on some of the great features in entune. Looks interesting and not too difficult to navigate. The screen looks quite though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NztTxpaoDUA
  • marv15marv15 Posts: 32
    Styling great. Inside not to my liking, so bought the 2012 and traded in my 2011. Felt no excitement at all while test riving the 2013. So told the dealer find me a 2012 with the features I want and take my trade and it all worked out to a great deal and now have the continuing comfort I had before. The styling wasn't important to me, the interior is, and the 2013 for me just didn't cut it. Less room, didn't like the dash, or open coffee holders and the drive seemed less smooth. So this was my last chance to buy the comfort level I was used to with plenty of room all around and the 18.5 gallon gas tank, and full spare.
  • you are a smart man! got my 2012 last month!
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Nice video, but it's not the same radio as in the LTD:(

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  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Because I've got the Tech package, but NO wireless?

    Skip
  • Skip,

    I've been concerned about that. I ordered mine before they announced the wireless charger. I don't know if mines come off the production line yet, so I'll have to wait to get my VIN before I'll know if it has the charger. I couldn't believe they would sell some tech packages without it, but they obviously have. Have you talked to your dealer to see if you can get a retrofit for you? It seems that it might be possible because the charger appears to be contained in the sliding ebin cover. I'll be very interested in what they tell you.

    Ray
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    edited January 2013
    I too will be interested in what they say after I talk to them tomorrow, because it doesn't say in any of the releases, that it's a later addition to the Avalon. Most of the videos I've watch and articles I've read say "It's part of the Tech Packagenwith all New 2013 Avalons". It doesn't say "Starting with the second wave of New" or "After the first of the year, all new Avalons will" or anything at all like that. Just that ALL new Avalons with the Tech Package will have the Qi wireless É

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  • It's interesting that the announcement was made on 19 Dec, but none of Toyota's Avalon websites acknowledge the existence of the charger in the Technology package. Are their advertising and sales units that disconnected?

    However, I came across a reader's comment to an Autoweek article on the charger. He said that his friend accepted delivery of his Avalon in Tucson and he didn't know the wireless charger was going to be part of his technology package, implying it had one.

    Last Friday I talked to Toyota Customer Experience Center asking them if ALL Avalons with the Tech package would have the charger. They didn't know and said I needed a VIN before they could determine if mine had one. Their response indicated that some would and some would not. You've proven that some do not.

    I will be seriously upset if mine arrives without the charger.
  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,183
    Compared to the prior months December was a spectacular sales month for the Avalon. At this sales rate Toyota will easily eclipse the projected 70,000 annual sales.

    1,405 --October
    1,307 --November
    5,171 --December
  • finfin atlantaPosts: 588
    Are people buying the last of the 2012's because they don't want to miss having one (not wanting a 2013)? Or is this a jump in sales due to the 2013 being in high demand? Anyone have any ideas..... surely the Dec sales are all or most all 2013's :confuse:
  • pip7pip7 Posts: 10
    Just got a 2013 Hybrid - love it. Everything works well with the Entune but I have this totally unimportant (but it's bugging the hell out of me) problem. You are supposed to be able to customize the Startup Image. I have followed the directions EXACTLY and still no success uploading from a thumb drive. I am using a MAC to do it. HAs anyone out there been successful at this . . . with a MAC?
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    Minus one, sort of.

    I'm giving VERY serious consideration to trading my 2013 in towards a 2012 if I can find one in the color I want. If not, I'll be checking out used LS 460's.

    The 2013 (while I might keep it), is small and I find a bit more?? Well not uncomfortable, but you differently feel more bumps in or through the car.

    Here in Maine the roads SUCKS, and I'm just not sure I like all the other stuff in the car enough to keep it:(

    As one person said "Toyota never said this was a "Sports" car" "Toyota said this is a "Premium Luxury Sedan" and while that may be true, the "Sports Paddle Shifters" and "Sports Mode Option" "Small Cabin" and the stiffer ride due lend themselves towards a "Sports Car" more then Luxury Sedan É in my opinion.

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  • I got it working on a PC. The folders you create on the USB drive have to be specified exactly as specified in the manual and are case sensitive. There are also restrictions on the file type and size.
  • I purchased a 2013 Avalon Hybrid Limited through the Costo auto program for $39,109 in Moulin Rouge Mica with an almond interior. I love it. I traded in a 2001 Avalon XLS which was one of my favorite cars. With only a $1,750 price premium over the V6, I figure it will take less than two years to recoup the added cost of the hybrid. While the hybrid isn't as peppy as the V6, it's at least as fast as my 2001 which is fine for me. In addition, the 2013 has loads more creature comforts compared to my 2001.
  • Chris,

    Did your car include the Qi wireless cell phone charger?

    Ray
  • damn.thinking of trading in already? how long you have it?
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    30 days +-.

    I've been told I should swap the 18" Rims for 17" Rims, and the ride would improve dramatically.

    I've ask the dealer if they would swap some 17" from a car on the lot, for the 18" on my car, and they say the 18" aren't compatible with the 17".

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  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,183
    edited January 2013
    I've been told I should swap the 18" Rims for 17" Rims, and the ride would improve dramatically.

    When I bought my 2011 LaCrosse CXS with 19" wheels I thought about changing to 17 or 18" wheels but my Buick Service manager advised against it. He said the CXS was designed to run on 19" wheels and if I changed to something smaller I would be very unhappy with the ride and handling.

    It is true that the 19" wheels (and in your case 18") transfer more road noise to the cabin but you will soon grow accustomed to it and truly appreciate the superior handling. And who knows, you might even begin the enjoy the taut ride as well.

    In the end you know what you like. So if the 2013 Avy Limited isn't working for you then there is nothing wrong to trading down to the 2012. But be prepared for the depreciation hit. Ouch! If that strategy fails you can always consider a LaCrosse or even an ES.
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