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BMW F30 3-Series (2012+)

shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
edited September 2011 in BMW
As I understand it, production of the current E90 3-Series sedan will cease sometime in October of 2011, and production of the next generation (Gen 6) F30 3-Series will commence sometime thereafter. Given that we're within a month of the end of the E90, and probably within six months before the new models hit the showrooms here in North America, I'm thinking it's high time we had a place to discuss the new car.

From what little I've been able to glean from the net, I like the car very much, so much in fact that I suggested to my wife that we consider another European vacation next summer to pick up our second BMW via European Delivery.

Given the significant number of miles I'm driving these days, and given the two teenagers I have at home who'll be itching to get their hot little hands on the keys, I'm thinking the 4-Cylinder Turbo model with a 6-Speed manual, Sport Package, Premium Package, and Xenon headlights. :shades:
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  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    edited September 2011
    How much does it weigh? ;)
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    No idea, yet. :)
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    edited September 2011
    Seriously though, it does look extremely nice. The current 328i is a little too plain vanilla but that turbo-4 should boost (pun intended) the excitement factor considerably. Especially with the aftermarket chips that will inevitably come out!

    With a little less weight, a 6-speed MT and minimal options, the entry-level luxury class could be fun again.

    I'm anxious for the road tests to start.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 31,193
    Because, that would be the first time ever...

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  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    edited September 2011
    I don't know for sure, but I think it has been something of a building trend lately.

    At least on paper (or manufacturer claims), the new 370Z is lighter than the old 350Z. The new WRX is lighter, and I think the new A4 is too (from memory).

    Anyways, it seems like 2010 or 2011 was the start of manufacturers making an effort to lighten things up a little.

    Once the Corvette and 911 passed the 3000 lb mark a few years ago, I knew that was it for lightweight cars. In this context, a 3300 lb 328i seems more than reasonable.

    And with a 4-cylinder engine, forged 17" wheels, and some more aluminum in the suspension and body, I think BMW could shave 100 lbs.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,989
    A 1969 Lotus Elan was 1800 lbs. :surprise:

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 31,193
    I think my '82 Accord hatchback was only 2300-2400 lbs.. No A/C, no PS

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  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    The Elan had 2 seats and was made out of papier mâché...
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    edited September 2011
    I'm thinking you'd be taking your life in your hands while driving an Elan and having a head-on collision with a dragonfly. :P

    For my part I'd love to see the 328i pare its weight down to say 3,200 pounds, and with a small(ish) engine and some judicious use of lightweight alloys I think it might just be possible. :shades:
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,989
    Well then don't drive into anything. While I'm just half-serious about that, I do think one reaches a point where the idea of "safety" becomes increasingly elusive. We could probably make a Volvo with slanting-armor and re-inforced flooring to resist IEDs but really, when do we stop?

    True Colin Chapman was building cars for racing, so he presumed the driver knew what he was doing.

    The problem with building light cars is NOT safety--it's expense. Lightness (ironically) costs more than heaviness. :P

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  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    We might know what we're doing, but we share the road with millions of nitwits who don't.

    I agree - 3200 lbs and 240 HP (I-4 turbo) would be outstanding building blocks for a very fine ELLPS.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 31,193
    ..that only weighs 2844 lbs.. with a full tank.... ;)

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  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,312
    edited September 2011
    a 318d, a 320d or a 325d with a manual transmission and I'll learn to live with the lack of a dipstick and will get the RFTs sold within a few months of purchase. Sign me up, please.

    Ain't gonna happen, never, in this country. Sad. I picked those three examples from a list of 18 diesel offerings for 3-series sedans (well, saloons) listed on the BMW UK website. There are also 13 gassers, for a total of 31 individual choices available outside the U.S. (or Canada) for just the sedan.

    Don't get me started on the touring (wagon) options.

    Doncha just love what happens when CARB, the EPA and BMWNA's desire to keep BMW "exclusive" all align?
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    edited September 2011
    One of the write-ups I ran across in the last few days did in fact hold out hope for a 325d 6-Speed manual for the U.S. market; but not in the first 12 months of production. If I find the article again I'll post a link to it.

    Like you I find the new car compelling enough to deal with no dip stick and I don't have any issue at all with buying new skins for a new car (my current Mazda3 came with absolute junk tires, even if they were GFTs; I replaced them when there was 714 miles showing on the odometer).

    If I had to choose between a 328i 6-Speed with the Turbocharged I4 gasser or a 325d 6-Speed with a Turbocharged I6 diesel, there would be no hesitation, I'd take the diesel in a heartbeat. :shades:

    The above said, my wife and I have each started a new business over the last several years, and while both were well received and growing slowly, in the end they were literally crushed by the economy. Needless to say, times has been (really-really) lean. We're not out of the woods just yet, but there is light at the end of the tunnel, and I may get the uncontrollable urge to get out of the Mazda and back into a BMW sometime next summer or next fall (assuming all goes well), which means I will probably not be able to wait for the diesel. :cry:
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    edited September 2011
    "..that only weighs 2844 lbs.. with a full tank...."

    Yours is 20 lbs lighter than mine, but mine has 240 hp... :blush:
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 31,193
    Slow car fast....fast car slow..... yada, yada, yada... My 168 hp feels pretty strong.

    Don't blame me.. I offered to take that porker off your hands... ;)

    240!! What did you do to that poor thing?

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  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    edited September 2011
    I thought you knew...

    Genuine BMW Motorsport GmbH parts:
    Evo III 10.2 to 1 pistons
    Evo III 2.5 crankshaft
    Evo III 272 degree intake cam
    Evo II 264 degree exhaust cam
    Evo III valve springs
    Evo III airbox
    Evo III Air Flow Meter
    Evo III intake trumpets
    Evo III 48 mm throttle bodies
    Evo III (big green) injectors
    Evo III lightweight flywheel
    Gruppe A 2-piece 50mm header

    Other upgraded parts:
    Supersprint exhaust
    Bavarian Autosport oil pan baffle
    Z3 1.9 (short) shifter
    Bilstein Sport shocks
    Eibach springs
    BMW Evolution brake rotors
    Mintex C-Tech brake pads
    17” BMW Style 5 (E39 Sport) wheels
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Saaweeeet!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,989
    See that's what you need to do to get REAL horsepower, as opposed to 4 beers + a K&N air filter. :P

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  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    What if I take the four beer cans, cut the ends off, splice them side-by-side in the shape of a big fart-can and stick that in place of my muffler and exhaust tail-pipe; bet that'll make my car way-way faster. :P
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    only if you hang a carabiner next to it...
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,989
    You hear this all the time at car shows...."yeah, she was 185 HP stock, but I put on a K&N, some flowmasters, and a cold air intake and now i'm getting about 240-250"

    Oh, you forgot to mention the supercharger?

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 31,193
    Nice... I hereby up my offer by $500!!

    And, by the way.... I also have Bilstein sport shocks... So, my actual horsepower is now 169!!

    Seriously, that is awesome... ;)

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  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Invite them to a local dyno day. If they have the nerve to show up, they'll never say it again.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Up $500!

    Now we're getting somewhere.
  • 5539655396 Posts: 529
    edited October 2012
    2012 BMW 3 Series

    Brand Model Year Width Length Whlbase Weight HP

    BMW 328 2012 71.3 182.5 110.6 3406 240
    Torque EPA

    255/1200 23/34
  • idoc2idoc2 Posts: 78
    I currently drive a 2007 328xi with 120K miles on it. I just test drove a 2013 328i Xdrive. Here are my overall impressions.
    1) The new car is ever so slightly bigger in the rear seat with slightly more leg room. If you are between 5'8" and 6'2" you will be happier. If you are smaller than 5'8" it wont make a difference and if you are larger 6'2" its still to tight.
    2) The electric steering is immediately noticeably lighter especially in a parking lot. At normal driving speeds it has somewhat less feedback than the hydrolic system formally used. Most BMW drivers will be satisfied but hard core enthusiasts or anyone driving the car on a track might be disappointed.
    3) The 2.0L turbo inline-4 engine seems modestly more powerful especially at lower RPMs but there is a definite loss of refinement when compared to the old inline-6. I would concur with those who have commented that it clatters at an idle. It is certainly rougher sounding if one accelerates with any gusto.
    4) The auto start/stop feature is very annoying and at times dangerous. The default position is "on" each time one uses the car. Disarming it is a simple press of a button but must be done each time one gets in the car. For those who may not know about this once the engine is warm(and a few other conditions are met) each time one comes to a stop for more than a few seconds the engine shuts off. When one releases the brake the engine automatically restarts with a shudder - annoying. Here's an example of a problem: At the end of my test drive I parked the car facing the dealer's building. Because I had stopped, the engine automatically shut off. I had not put the car in park(which by the way uses a very unconventional electronic shifter not a standard PRNDL) but given force of habit with an engine not running I took my foot of the brake to get out of the car - and surprise, surprise with the car still in gear the engine restarted.... Now I can hear the cackles from some of you but eventually my wife or one of my kids who will not be driving my car on an everyday basis is going to have an accident and hopefully not with a pedestrian walking between cars at the mall parking lot! Owners should be able to reprogram their cars so this function is disarmed as a default setting.
    4) The 8 speed transmission is very smooth but because the ratios are so closely spaced it is constantly changing gears unless on a highway.
    5) Fuel economy(based on EPA sticker and various reviews) is substantially better than the prior car.
    6) Run flat tires with no spare are still less desirable than standard tires. Those on the car I drove seemed smoother than what is on my 2007(even when mine were new).

    My assessment is that this is a very nice car that trades some refinement and handling prowess for fuel economy while still achieving a modest increase in acceleration. The auto start/stop feature may be a deal breaker for me.
  • 5539655396 Posts: 529
    We tried out a 2012 528i. Didn't trip our trigger. Too much wing dip when whipping the wheel back and forth - Much more than the 2013 Lexus ES 350, and a very noticeable lag before downshift, again unlike the Lexus. Then we drive a 2008 528i. Ahh, that's what I expected in a BMW. Even with $12000 off, I will still look for a pre-2011.
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    The start/stop feature can be programmed by BMW to remain in the mode it was in as of the last time the car was driven.

    In other words, if you have the option disabled and turn the ignition "off", the next time the car is started, the start/stop feature will automatically be in the "off", or disabled, mode.

    After spending 2 weeks in a MB diesel in Germany in October that had this feature, I finally became accustomed to it. Still, I prefer the option to disable, which BMW now offers in the USA.
  • My new 2013 335i sedan arrived in port last Monday and I picked it up Thursday. it replaces my 2006 330i. So far i love it. I will write (post) a critique in several weeks after I put it through the paces
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