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2012 Mazda3

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  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,954
    No, it does not get poor mpg. It does have an outdated powertrain but it does pretty darn good with what it's got. How about the Civic. Doesn't it have about the same HP as the Corolla? Gee, what do you shave off 0-60 with that extra HP....a second possibly. Whoopee, let's go to the track. Getting 32 combined and 39 hwy is pretty good and it does it with a 4 spd tranny. Real world test show that it gets pretty much the same MPG as the new Mazda, Elantra, Focus and Cruze. However, if and when they put a modern 6sp or more tranny in it I just wonder what it could get. Oh, BTW, a lot of cars in this segment are boring but I agree that the Corolla is probably the most boring. It's way overdue for some real improvement.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    edited April 2012
    Getting 32 combined and 39 hwy is pretty good and it does it with a 4 spd tranny.

    I can get very close to that in my ancient iron-block Elantra with a 4-speed tranny that was designed in the late '90s. As you say, whoopee. Getting that kind of mpg in a light car that is underpowered by today's standards for compact cars is no big deal. Time for Toyota to realize this is 2012, 4-speed automatics don't cut it anymore, and when automakers like Nissan are coming out with mid-sized cars with much more power that are rated 27 city and 38 highway, it's way past time for big changes in the Corolla. Also consider their long-time main competitor Honda has seen the light, realizes that "good enough" doesn't cut it any more in today's ultra-competitive car market, and will deliver a redesigned Civic later this year--about 18 months since the last redesign. Toyota should pay attention. They won't get by on low price, reputation for reliability, and lots of fleet sales forever.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    Real world test show that it gets pretty much the same MPG as the new Mazda, Elantra, Focus and Cruze.

    Three of those 4 cars have significantly more horsepower than the Corolla. The fourth doesn't, but has significantly more torque. So no, it doesn't do pretty darn good. It's uncompetitive. It get ALMOST as good FE as the segment leaders, while also having less power. Unless you're grading on a curve the Corolla is bad (and we know Corollas can't handle curves :shades: ). It gets less energy out of the same amount of fuel as the competition does. Significantly less. And while this might change with the next re-design, that's today's reality.

    Honda's redesigning the Civic. Quickly. They're very afraid of falling behind Mazda (bad), Ford (really bad), and Hyundai (oh-so-horribly bad). And rightly so. They used to be leaders and innovators, remember the CVCC engine? Toyota used to be a leader and innovator too. Used to be.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,954
    edited April 2012
    Getting that kind of mpg in a light car that is underpowered by today's standards for compact cars is no big deal.

    I didn't say it was a big deal, I just said it didn't get bad MPG and it's as good as the rest of the bunch. How it gets there is another question. Still, 32 combined mpg is not bad even with a car that's somewhat underpowered by 2012 standards. Heck, most of the subcompacts barely avg 32combined mpg. It's got about the same hp/torque as your Elantra and it weighs more so I'd say getting 32 combined is not bad. Should it be better based on the fact that it has less hp than many of the rest? Sure, but it's still not bad. Like I said earlier, it would be interesting just to see what a 6 speed tranny would do for the Corolla.

    it's way past time for big changes in the Corolla.

    Been saying that all along.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    Heck, most of the subcompacts barely avg 32combined mpg.

    Funny... most of the subcompacts have more power than the Corolla, too. :)
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,954
    Corolla - 132
    Fit - 117
    Fiesta - 120
    Versa - 122
    Accent - 138
    Rio - 138
    Sonic - 138
    Yaris - 106
    XD - 128

    No, actually most have less HP than the Corolla and weigh much less as well.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    You are absolutely right! The Corolla rules in fuel economy... except for the heavier, more powerful, more fun to drive Mazda3 (back on topic... yessss!).
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,954
    Just trying to be realistic and not biased.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    So am I. The Mazda3i is heavier, more powerful, has crisper handling (= more fun to drive), and has better fuel economy than the Corolla.

    Just the facts. A biased view might say something about the Corolla being just fine because it gets 32 mpg or thereabouts. There's a lot more to a good car these days than getting 32 mpg. Toyota will realize that someday soon I believe. Mazda has, as have others.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,954
    You seem to keep reminding me that the Mazda3 is more fun to drive. I'm not saying it's not a much more enticing car than the stodgy Corolla. You keep arguing how good a car it is and I'm not saying the Corolla is. I'm just saying that a compact car in this group that averages 32mpg is getting good mpg, not bad mpg. I'm not addressing the cars fun factor and haven't been.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    32 mpg was really good a few years ago for a compact car, even if it needed to have low power to do it. But not so much anymore. It's pretty common for the class these days. And will be more common once the new Sentra debuts, probably the new Forte and Dart also. What was once "good" is soon if not already the norm.

    I don't think anyone who buys a Corolla is interested in addressing the car's fun factor. ;)
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,954
    I agree that nobody would ever buy a Corolla for the fun factor...even the mighty "S" model. :surprise:

    It does have less hp and an old tranny and like I said before, it would be really interesting to see what it could get with a new 6speed. It may even get 34mpg avg which would probably make it tops in class(from a mpg standpoint) or right there with them. My whole point in this is that it is easy to find a lot wrong with the Corolla, but MPG is not one of them unless you consider 32mpg average to be bad when that is pretty much what the top cars in the class get as well.
  • chickraechickrae Posts: 44
    edited April 2012
    The Mazda 3 with skyactiv is fun to drive. It really has more power than I thought. I just got mine. Was going to test drive the Ford Focus, Subaru Impreza and Hyundai Elantra. Stopped at the Mazda dealership first and didn't want to look any further. Love the smile. It smiled right at me and I drove the Graphite one home.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    Congratulations! Did you get the sedan or hatch? Which trim level? Manual or automatic? Let us know your impressions including fuel economy as you get more miles on it.
  • chickraechickrae Posts: 44
    I got the sedan. It's the touring and not the grand touring. I really didn't want the sunroof or the leather seats. It was satellite ready with the antenna already installed. I got the graphite color that has black interior. Automatic. I have only driven it 40 miles, so will post how the gas mileage is after I have driven a full tank.
  • chickraechickrae Posts: 44
    I went on my first hwy trip. I filled up when I got home and figured the mileage. 275.5 miles and used 7.5 gallons of gas. 36mpg would be the average. Most of the highway speed was 75, many parts 80 and very little 65. I think I would of got higher if I averaged 65 but I wanted to go the speed limit.

    This car handles well........wow! The steering is so precise. Love the blue tooth capability and the satellite radio. I think I made a great choice.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    36 MPG without a break-in? That's excellent.

    I do miss that sweet Mazda handling...
  • chickraechickrae Posts: 44
    How many miles till the break in period? 5,000? I have 500 on it now.

    I like the adjustable steering wheel also. I didn't even realize it had that.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    Most cars have at least tilt steering these days, and satellite radio at least as an option. Mazda's starting to lose out on cabin design and feature content, but they're so far ahead in powertrains and handling that they can take a bit. Assuming they don't go bankrupt in the meantime: their finances are looking more precarious by the day.
  • chickraechickrae Posts: 44
    Most cars do, but since I haven't bought a car in 11 years, I am not up to speed on many things, especially the technology. I was so excited about the blue tooth capabilty and being able to make a phone call pushing a button from my steering wheel....and I know this is nothing new and many cars have it. So I guess the cabin design looks really good to me since I have been driving 19995 & 2001 vehicles before this.

    I hope they don't go bankrupt.
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  • fooshoofooshoo Posts: 4
    Is the Mazda3 air conditioner a bit weak? Today is the first day I ran my A/C and it took a long time to cool the cabin down in 88 degree temps. I am kind of hoping something is wrong with it because the A/C performance was not very good.

    When I get time I'll bring it to the dealer to get it checked out.
  • chickraechickrae Posts: 44
    I ran mine today and it was 77 degrees outside. It seemed to cool off well. It wasn't as hot as your area but it seemed to blow out very cold air. Maybe have it checked out. Are you driving a new mazda?
  • fooshoofooshoo Posts: 4
    Ya, 2012 Mazda 3.

    My AC and defroster also create a bit of a grind noise the first time it is turned on for the day. Maybe I have a bum AC compressor or something.

    Guess I'll have it looked at when I get the time.
  • chickraechickrae Posts: 44
    Good idea to check it out. I haven't noticed any unusual noises in mine. What I do notice is how quiet it is inside. So quiet I am usually going faster than I should be going. Going from having a noisy convertible mustang that you have to talk loud (even with the top up), to having something this quiet has been great!
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  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    40 MPG specifically, or "40-MPG class" which would be about 38-42 MPG?
  • eljaycanuckeljaycanuck Posts: 2
    edited May 2012
    So, I've had my car for over a month now and I've really been enjoying it. The highlights are the engine, which revvs really nicely, and the 6-sp. manual's clutch+shifter, which are super sweet! Together, they make this car a blast to drive! :-)

    The downside, as I'm finding now with the warmer weather - is the A/C. With the fan on high, I get fairly cool - almost cold - air blowing, but on a day that's only 25°C outside, I still find myself feeling warm in the car! It's almost as though the condenser's not working properly at removing moisture from inside the cabin.

    Anyone else have a similar issue? If 'yes', has your dealership been responsive, or have they brushed it off with a "that's how it's supposed to work" answer?

    For the record: My previous car - a 2006 Honda Accord EX-L had ice-cold air. The cabin would cool down quickly and the car would stay comfortable even with the fan turned down. There's definitely something not 100% right with the A/C in the Mazda3.

    Aside from that, though, great car! :-)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Is your interior black or beige?

    The A/C in my Miata is good, but it has a much smaller cabin to deal with.
  • eljaycanuckeljaycanuck Posts: 2
    edited May 2012
    The interior's black, with black cloth seats.

    The much-larger cabin of my Accord was also black (w/ black leather seats), but the A/C was awesome. :shades:
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