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Hyundai Elantra Real World MPG 2012

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  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,896
    Yes, that reflash seemed to be a flash-in-the-pan so to speak. ;)

    I'm starting to really wonder about a lot these compacts and the methods they are using to reach those huge mpg numbers. It seems like the midsizers are doing just as well overall with a lot more room and little extra cost. Makes you wonder where the value is unless you just absolutely want a smaller exterior dimension vehicle which I realize a lot of people do.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,621
    Don't forget the Elantra has a mid-sized interior. :)

    Also I don't think ANY current mid-sized sedan that isn't a hybrid or diesel can touch 40 mpg on the highway. Some compacts including the Elantra (at least in some hands!) can. You also won't see upper 20s to low 30s mpg in mixed driving on ordinary mid-sized sedans... mid-20s is typical for the class. And compacts cost less in general than mid-sizers, e.g. an Elantra GLS will run you about $2k or more less than a Sonata GLS.

    I am one of those people who prefer a car with smaller outside dimensions. But I don't mind a roomy interior. Which is one reason I like the Elantra.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,896
    Don't forget the Elantra has a mid-sized interior.

    That's why I specifically said "exterior dimensions". I agree with everything you've said but still believe the value proposition is getting hazier. Wheelbase is wheelbase and a longer wheelbase has a nicer ride in just about any car.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,621
    Nicer ride, probably. More fun ride, probably not.

    Better fuel economy--no.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    Plus they're bigger on the outside, which isn't always a good thing (personally I refer a tight turning circle and tidy exterior dimensions for maneuverability).
  • crankeeecrankeee Posts: 297
    edited April 2012
    Backy: Our 2012 Sonata GLS was $19,700 with all incentives and the POP package, floor mats, trunk mat + tax.title docs. $20,754 OTD. We did not steal it but good deal and great dealer for service.
    About $2000 over Elantra as you say. We see 24-25 in all city driving and at 65-70 highway 36-37.6 MPG. At 75-80 the MPG drops off to 33-34. As posted by others, the city stop and go is what is affecting the "average" MPG enjoyed by drivers. To get better than mid 20's, as you post, you need a Hybrid running some battery only time or a roller skate with lower mass & weight to move. Sonata is a good tradeoff of city/highway MPG, but it is definately tuned for highway as is the Elantra. 6-speed AT shifts up fast and down slower so highway MPG benefits more at 50 MPH to 65.
    Great cars that deliver good driveability, value for the money and EPA MPG in the most conditions with "most" drivers. Good luck and enjoy new car.
    We are truly blessed in this country to have good cars, good roads and cheap gas (at least for now!).
  • sustain2020sustain2020 Posts: 1
    edited April 2012
    Drive smooth(no rabbit starts or stops) and at or under the speed limit, you know...legally, and your mileage will improve by at least 20%. Or, just trade it in for a Prius C for about the same purchase price but at least 30% better real world mileage. No problems with Toyota hybrid batteries with over a million Prii on the road now. Look it up....Consumer Reports, used Prii prices, etc. Prius C should be the same....you'll thank me when gas hits $5.50 next year and $7 a gallon a few years from now.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    Have you seen the replacement cost for Prius batteries at the 8 year mark???
  • gozonergozoner Posts: 3
    The website fuelly.com allows people to report and to track their mpgs. Unfortunately, I searched around at fuelly.com for the recent Hyundai claimed 40 mpg cars; the news is not good. I looked at 2011 models because the 2012 models don't have enough people reporting to be statistically significant. The average mpgs reported for the cars are:

    33.3 - Sonata Hybrid
    32.3 - Accent
    32.0 - Veloster
    30.4 - Elantra

    Even worse, barely a single person averages the Hyundai hwy mpg or above.

    You'd think the people going through the effort to track their mileage would generally be people who are driving conservatively. As the numbers show, even these people are not getting good numbers.

    One could argue that "well all cars do worse than the EPA numbers." Not so. Among 40 mpg (or nearly so) cars that average better than the EPA Highway are: Volkswagen Golf TDI, Honda Insight and Honda CR-Z. In addition, cars average at or better than the EPA Combined are: Lexus CT200h, Smart ForTwo, Volkswagen Jetta TDI and Audi A3 TDI.

    Do your own investigation at Hyundai at Fuelly
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,896
    Quit comparing the results to hybrids and diesels. Compare to similar cars like the Focus, Cruze, Mazda3, etc. Nobody should expect to average the hwy EPA numbers. Who thought that one up? Look at the EPA combined and see if owners are reporting that kind of number.
  • gozonergozoner Posts: 3
    edited April 2012
    I compared near 40 mpg cars irrespective of technology. 40 mpg is 40 mpg. Do your own comparison.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,896
    No need to get snotty. I was just suggesting comparing it to it's peers rather than to different techs. Hybrids and diesels are so different than gassers that I thought it would be more meaningful. Do as you wish, I could care less.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    The Mazda3 is averaging 30.6 to the Elantra's 30.2. That's averaging ALL Mazda3 models, including the 2.5L engine with the rotten FE, yet it's averaging better MPGs than an Elantra lineup of 100% "40 MPG" engines.

    Now, if you look at the details, some people with SkyActiv engines are reporting pretty low MPGs, around 25. But quite a few others are reporting over 35 MPG. Not very many Elantras are reporting over 35 MPG. In fact, I think 6 out of the 92 2011 Elantras (about 6.5%) reported north of 35 MPG, versus 9 of the 45 2012 Mazda3s (20%). If you want to go with 2012, 9 2012 Elantras reported north of 35 MPG, out of 114 ( about 8%).
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,896
    Yes, the Mazda3 is kind of hazy as it can include one of 3 different engines for 2012 and, like you said, the 2.5L sucks gas. I'm pretty certain from looking at the entries that actually say they have a skyactive that the avg will be a fair amount higher than the avg it's at now.

    Actually for all the buzz about the Elantra and it's mpg, 30.2 isn't all that bad considering all the different kinds of driving and conditions. There's probably a lot more people that do a lot of city driving than do mostly freeway. Just a guess on my part on that one though.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    I'm still convinced that a lack of low-end-torque is at the root of the problem, and people are probably being a little more generous with the throttle to compensate. I wonder if real-world the Veloster Turbo might actually get better mileage, given how generous it is on low-end torque?
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,896
    Yes, the engine changed. In 2010 they used a 2.0L and changed to a 1.8L in the 2011 model going forward. HP went up but torque went down. May help to explain why the city MPG isn't resulting in happy campers. Have to press hard to get ooomph off the line.

    Above is what I posted a week ago on this forum. I still think, as you do, there is something to it.

    As far as the Veloster goes, I wouldn't expect any turbo model to get better mpg unless it is extremely babied and what fun would that be. I don't think the people buying the Veloster Turbo are necessarily looking for maximum mpg.
  • gozonergozoner Posts: 3
    The root of the problem is that Hyundai didn't derate their EPA tests. If they had reported 27/30/35 the world would be raving about the stylish, feature-full, relatively inexpensive cars!
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    With a torque peak at 1750 RPM they'll probably baby the engine without even realizing it, all the while praising the gobs of torque. :shades:
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,621
    The Civic and Corolla have less power and torque than the Elantra. So why aren't there tons of complaints about their fuel economy?

    I do think that many drivers do "floor it" (i.e. use more than optimal accelerator pressure) and thus get less than expected fuel economy. I've been doing some experimentation the past few days on my Sentra, which has an instantaneous mpg meter (as does the Elantra). It's rated only 27/34 but with the CVT it's capable of better fuel economy than that... IF you use a light foot. My tests have shown me just how light a touch is needed to get best fuel economy. I'll drive w/o glancing at the mpg meter, then check it. Usually it's not very good. Then I adjust pedal pressure to get mpg as high as possible. What I've found is there isn't much difference in pressure between "not very good" mpg and optimal mpg. The difference in mpg can be huge, though... as in 20s to 30s, or 30s to 40s-50s (meter pegs out at 60).

    I would not be surprised to find the same thing true on the Elantra. I haven't done that kind of experiment with it before, but next time I drive one I will.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,896
    The Civic and Corolla have less power and torque than the Elantra. So why aren't there tons of complaints about their fuel economy?

    IMO it's because they both easily beat their respective EPA estimates. People buy these cars for economy not HP. I don't think they are so worried about a few HP as long as the car will get out of it's own way. Fuel economy is pretty much #1 criteria. So when they surpass the EPA they are happy campers and when they don't even get close...they complain.

    Somebody just mentioned it earlier and I can kind of see their point. If Hyundai would have reduced the EPA numbers to say 27/38 instead of 29/40 this might be a moot issue. It's all about the expectations. I know the "40 MPG" thing is great marketing but make sure the car can get it fairly easily by average driving techniques or you have a situation like this.
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