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Hyundai Elantra Real World MPG 2012

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  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,694
    edited November 2012
    while driving around in my 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS I notice that a lot of people "gun it" compared to myself. I drive like someone 25 years older than myself. Or maybe that's a bad analogy. I drive "conservatively".

    Perhaps you gun it more than you think. Are you a young person? Actually that doesn't even have to play in to things at all. All ages of drivers "gun it" more than other drivers. Only you know for sure.

    I think backy has figured this test out as an EPA nightmare and not really a fault of Hyundai cars (or their owners) at all.

    Since those numbers have now been validated by the EPA, it appears your issue now is more with the EPA and how they test cars, than with Hyundai.

    backy's quote above pretty much says the truth of the matter. It's how you drive your car, how clean you keep your car, how much you spend on car maintenance, etc., etc. I would not initially fault Hyundai and their management on this one. Anyone add to this so we can all learn more about it.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • pflyerpflyer Posts: 25
    OK, this why I dropped out of this discussion and I will do so again.

    You state as fact that the EPA numbers do not reflect the Elantra's real world mpg.

    You are right, for you.

    Not for me and others.

    I have owned my car since new and have NEVER gotten less than 30 mpg on any tank. Ever.

    In the last couple of months, I have gone up from 32 to almost 34 mpg.

    I live in DFW. Do you realize how crowded this place is?

    I have never had a tank of gas average over 32 mph (miles per hour, not gallons). My last tank was 30 mph and almost 34 mpg.

    So... all of my driving is a good mixture of city/hwy.

    YOU might not be able to get the mpg some of us do. I'm sorry. Maybe you got a "bad' one. Maybe you are a jerky/stop/start driver. I don't know. I don't care.

    What I DO know is that it IS possible to reach and exceed the EPA mileage figures with my Elantra.

    I couldn't be happier with the car and now, as a bonus, Hyundai will further increase my effective mpg by giving me free gas.

    Life is good here in Texas..
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,694
    edited November 2012
    when did ya move ta Texas, man? I also knew you ta live in Happy Valley, Pennsylvania. Wow! DFW? Career change of some sort.

    Great choice in the '13 Elantra purchase, BTW. Is it an automatic or a stick?

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,710
    Well, it was of course Hyundai's fault to mess up on their testing. Hard to fathom that they could have 1) messed up like that, and 2) took so long to find out they messed up.

    But now that the EPA has run its own tests, any discrepancy between what owners are getting on their Elantras vs. official EPA numbers is either due to how/when/where the car is driven, or the rare situation of a defect in the car that is causing the poor fuel economy.

    Much more likely how the car is driven. As I've noted on other discussions, I can drive a car like my 2010 Sentra under ideal conditions and get far better than its EPA estimates. And I can drive it in less-than-ideal conditions, but very much real-world conditions for many drivers, and get far worse than the EPA estimates.

    That's true for any car... including the Elantra.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,694
    edited November 2012
    generally the "slower" you drive, or, if you like, the more careful you drive, the better ghastly mileage you'll get. And even keeping your car clean helps.

    But this chastising Hyundai for lying on EPA stickers stinks of old Dennis Rodman tenny runners. I don't buy it. But I would buy a new Hyundai Veloster in yellow or that metallic green or red. In either an automatic tranny or standard. Doesn't matter.

    I wouldn't buy an Elantra. But I like the car. That's just iluvmysephia1. But I wouldn't say Hyundai is "lying" ta y'all on the EPA stickers.

    That's definitley hearsay, not much else. And the person that said it needs ta come clean(er).

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • pflyerpflyer Posts: 25
    Not me.

    I have never been to Happy Valley.

    Lived in Ft Worth for last 30 years.

    My car is a 2011 GLS Auto.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,991
    Don't know where you've been for the last couple of days but every single car website has articles on Hyundai admitting their numbers are wrong to the point where they are going to reimburse owners for lower than expected MPG. That's not hearsay, they have admitted it.
  • The thing is Hyundai and Kia lied to everyone and posted false data over 2 years and a dozen different models.

    Try getting 29mpg city in your Elantra. It only dropped to 28 and is still unachieveable unless you are a hyper-miler.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,710
    edited November 2012
    If your "city" driving is like the EPA's "city" cycle, you should get close to 28 mpg, depending on weather, traffic etc.

    Problem is, "city" driving for many people bears no resemblance to the EPA's "city" cycle.
  • I can get the "city" EPA rating in every car I've ever owned.

    Funny isn't it, the "city" numbers can't be achieved in a Hyundai or Kia product, but can be in a Ford, Chevy, or Honda.

    Hyundai/Kia picked a good time to drop their bombshell. Right before a major U.S. election and right after a major U.S. natural disaster. Minimize the media attention.

    I wonder how the Hyundai/Kia owners are feeling about re-sale value now?
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    But now that the EPA has run its own tests, any discrepancy between what owners are getting on their Elantras vs. official EPA numbers is either due to how/when/where the car is driven, or the rare situation of a defect in the car that is causing the poor fuel economy.

    In reality, the EPA estimates are the only common factor consumers have in comparing automobiles when deciding to purchase. I think everyone knows that YMWV depending on how you drive the car. However, I think the problem is that how many customers were swayed to Hyundai based on the EPA ratings? The magical "40mpg" number has the power of persuasion in today's market, which is why I believe Hyundai is offering refunds for mileage driven.

    In any event, I still think the Elantra would be selling very, very well with its new adjusted ratings. However, it still does not address the numerous complains that people cannot achieve the newly rates estimates and there just seems to be an abnormally high amount of people in the YMWV sector, specifically on the lower end of the real-world economy figures.

    What this announcement has does was vilify what many have been saying for a long time now, that the Elantra has issues with achieving the EPA estimates on a grand scale. It has brought out the disgruntled owners and Hyundai haters. All in all, it is really bad publicity but I do not think Hyundai will suffer for too long. The new ratings are still very good and the car is still a winner. The only gripes have been the real-world economy. Other than that, its really a good little car.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,710
    edited November 2012
    Funny isn't it, the "city" numbers can't be achieved in a Hyundai or Kia product, but can be in a Ford, Chevy, or Honda.

    Why do you say that? How many Hyundai/Kia products have you owned? How much behind-the-wheel time do you have in the current-gen Elantra? I've owned 3 Hyundais and have no problem meeting or exceeding the EPA city and highway ratings under normal conditions. My DW, OTOH, struggles to get 20 mpg on her 2007 Sonata... while I easily get mid-20s in town. Same car, different drivers and driving styles. Hmmm....

    When I've driven the current-gen Elantra as rentals, again, no problem meeting/exceeding the EPA numbers (the old ones, not the new ones). And some of that driving was under what I consider extreme conditions compared to what I'm used to, e.g. temps near 100, A/C on full blast all the time, lot of sitting in traffic. But those are normal conditions for some people.

    Do you really think a difference of 1 mpg in the EPA average fuel economy estimate is going to significantly change resale value on Elantras?
  • secorsecor Posts: 11
    If their penalty is going to be based on current mileage on our vehicles then what about all of us who purchased these vehicles and plan on keeping them for years. So we get a small reimbursement now but will continue to pay the price for their lies for the rest of our ownership.
  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    First, I think it is dumb for new car buyers to think they can achieve any new car mileages posted by the manufacturers. It just doesn't fit the real world results. Experienced buyers know, or their friends know, cars have to be broken in before real world mileage ratings are even close. It just doesn't work that way.

    Second, Hyundai and Kia probably thought a couple additional mpg wouldn't hurt, weren't the other car companies "fudging" a bit? That 40mpg is a goal, 36mpg to 38mpg are real world averages with 4-cylinder engines. I have no problem getting 36mpg in a Mazda3 or earlier Protégé, rated at 30mpg, IF I keep the RPMs at or below 3000 and drive steady. No A/C on.

    I would not let fuel economy be my only reason for buying any car. Keep in mind that if you sell the Elantra the buyer may think you messed up its engine tinkering under the hood. :confuse:
  • secorsecor Posts: 11
    I'm not sure what this issue has to do with elections or natural disasters. I should have been suspicious when after signing my purchase paperwork the sales manager laughingly said he never got the rated mileage driving his Elantra and said it was because he had a "heavy foot". Even the Ford sales person which is across the street from the Hyundai showroom, and both dealerships owned by same person/group, said he had a person trade in an Elantra after three months because she could only get 31 miles/gallon highway driving which is not to far from my experience so far. I traded in a 2008 Sate Fe and will regret the trade forever. The Santa Fe was a great vehicle and my false reasoning was to get a long term vehicle for better gas mileage. The Santa Fe did come very close to the mileage ratings so I'm not sure why this happened. I've also read in this thread that the EPA/Federal Government was responsible for verifying these mileage claims so do they have some culpability here as well?
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    Except that there ARE other cars that reach their EPA ratings in the real world. Hondas are relatively famous for it. Toyotas, as much as I hate the way the things drive, they tend to do it. The Mazda3 gets EPA in the real world, as do Volkswagen's TDI models.
  • maxx4memaxx4me Posts: 1,340
    As I stated nearly a year ago, where there is smoke, there is fire. Why do people on this board continue to deny that the "building is on fire?" Give it a rest already. The company overhyped results. That doesn't mean the company builds a bad product (I say this as I am taking my ET in for a new transmission). It just means that normal every day drivers are not coming close to achieving the advertised results. Enough people have seen the "smoke".....the building IS on fire. It is time to move on. If you don't like the product they are selling, move to another company. I love the value I get from Hyundai. I won't sell mine; I won't complain about the choices I make in life despite my new car having a shody transmission, and I won't migrate over to the other H company that sells near bullet proof cars that cost a whole lot more for minimalist interiors.
  • Why would it be dumb to think you should get EPA estimates when I've gotten them (or better) in every car I've ever owned and so has everyone I know.

    Hyundai/Kia lied. Plain and simple. Their paltry offer of $100 or $200? A joke. You will get hosed on re-sale value AND be spending more on fuel as long as you own your car.

    I would ask for thousands of dollars back to cover fuel, re-sale, fraud, etc.

    Of course they're saying "a dozen bank errors in our favor" to avoid the fraud charge. What else are they lying about?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,710
    edited November 2012
    I would ask for thousands of dollars back to cover fuel, re-sale, fraud, etc.

    A difference of 1 mpg overall is worth thousands of dollars in extra fuel? Above and beyond what Hyundai is already paying owners... including the 15 percent extra for "inconvenience"?

    Or you think this 1 mpg difference will decrease the resale value of Elantras by thousands of dollars?

    As for fraud... to get any money for that, there would need to be a class action suit. That would take awhile. Fraud would need to be proven. What if there was no fraud, just incredible stupidity? Then if there was fraud and it could be proven, the lawyers would get their share. After those costs, owners would be lucky to get more than what Hyundai has already offered--reimbursement for gas differential, plus 15% for inconvenience.

    What about all the other cars that don't meet their EPA numbers for drivers? Are those manufacturers lying too?
  • I have never gotten below 30 mpg on my 2012 Elantra. Using real gas and not corn oil, I have gotten as high as 45 on it. The highest with corn oil is 43. My biggest complaint what they show as the mpg you are getting. My computer is off from 3-5 mpg! The dealer supposedly replaced it but it improved nothing, still off 3-5 mpg. Either they didn't replace it or Hyundai simply programs them to be off 3-5 mpg. I divide my miles by gallons on every tankful. I get my best gas mileage on real gas, then corn oil BP and then corn oil Shell. I am a salesman so I travel a lot of miles.
  • Hyundai/Kia lied. Fraud will come out in the criminal trials. This is a violation of civil law also.

    The other companies? Name them and list the cars they lied about.

    Yeah right, we made dozens of "mistakes" over 3 model years and on over a dozen models ALL in our favor and several to achieve 40mpg hwy.

    I have a bridge to sell the Hyundai/Kia owners who believe that one.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,710
    edited November 2012
    You should contact the Attorney General immediately to give them your evidence re how Hyundai/Kia lied, it could be important to their case.

    For someone who doesn't own an Elantra or ANY Hyundai/Kia, you seem to be really upset about this.

    Some perspective...

    About ten years ago, there was a class action suit against Hyundai re its overstating the horsepower on several 1996-2002 models, including the Elantra. The overstatement on the Elantra was 5 hp--135 vs. 140. I owned one of those cars. Hyundai said it was an honest mistake, and no fraud was ever proven (not sure it was ever charged). Hyundai offered on its own accord to compensate owners through extended warranties and roadside assistance coverage... which sounded pretty darn good to me.

    But then the lawyers got involved. It took 2 years of legal wrangling, but finally there was a settlement that called for compensation in the form of prepaid debit cards good at various retailers and valued at $50 to $225, or shopping cards worth $100 to $325 good for parts or service at Hyundai dealerships. The size of the payment depended on the degree to which a vehicle's horsepower was inflated. Since it was only 5 hp for my Elantra, I got (I think) a $100 shopping card, which I used for parts/service on my car (I think my other choice was a $50 debit card). I would much rather have had what Hyundai originally offered: an extended warranty and roadside assistance. But I took the card and considered it free money, since my car had no less horsepower than the day I drove it off the dealer's lot, it had plenty of power (and for its time, purchased in 2000, it was near the top of the class in power), 5 hp would have made absolutely no difference to me in deciding to purchase the car, and it affected the car's resale value when I sold it a couple of years later by... zero (the buyer didn't even ask about horsepower; it never came up).

    Go go ahead, Elantra owners, push for a fraud case and class action lawsuit. At the end, I have a feeling you won't be any better off for it.
  • I had about 12k miles on my 2012 Elantra and never came close to 40mpg during a highway trip, and generally averaged 32mpg in my weekly commute to and from work. I ditched the car for the Mazda 3 Skyactiv and get between 37-41mpg in the same weekly drive. Currently at 11.5k miles with the Mazda. I try to drive a constant 70mph on the freeway unless coasting down a hill takes me faster. I log my mileage and gallons filled up at the pump in my logbook.

    I never got more than 34mpg driving from the Bay Area to Sacramento in the elantra but I easily get 40mpg with my 3 Skyactiv driving the same way.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    First, I think it is dumb for new car buyers to think they can achieve any new car mileages posted by the manufacturers. It just doesn't fit the real world results. Experienced buyers know, or their friends know, cars have to be broken in before real world mileage ratings are even close. It just doesn't work that way.


    I completely disagree. The last three cars I have owned have all been spot on their EPA estimates, or better. (2002 Subaru Impreza 2005 Mazda6, 2013 Mazda CX-5)

    Some cars, like the '12 Civic, have a reputation for doing better than their EPA estimates.

    I have found that the new EPA ratings are actually pretty good and accurate for most vehicles.
  • The last two cars I'v owned (2006 Chevy Cobalt LS MT, 2012 Ford Focus SE DCT) have easily exceeded their EPA numbers from day one. Not sure what your high on.
  • Posted this over in the mid-size forum, but thought a few of you might like to see this...

    EPA to look at other manufacturers?
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,870
    Wouldn't be surprised. There are a couple of models I've got on my radar and have reported on (internally), whose consumers are consistently reporting that they can't get anywhere near EPA estimates. We'll see if those correspond with any models that are investigated.

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    A reporter would like to speak to Hyundai and Kia owners who agree or disagree with the latest controversy over MPG. If you own a Hyundai or a Kia and would like to speak to a reporter about your experience with your car's fuel economy, please send your daytime and evening contact info to pr@edmunds.com no later than Tuesday, November 6, 2012 at 8 a.m. PT/11 a.m. ET.

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  • I specifically bought this car for the gas mileage, 29/40 what a joke I only get 24 combined. I have a 2009 Corolla (27/35) that I gave to my son when I bought this peice of S____(fill in the blanks). I drive both cars the same. I fill up at the same station, the Corolla was getting 27 combined, at least it's in the ballpark. The problem might not be the highway driving its the city driving...lets face it I didn't buy this car the highway cruising, the sole reason was the city driving.
    The gas pedal seems to be very stiff, I really have a hard time pressing it down. The eco button has no effect at all, I'm not even crazy about the ride. I have a hard time believing anyone getting low 30's city driving, when I do stictly city I barely get 22. I'm stuck with this car for another 2 years (3 yr lease) but can't wait to get rid of it. One positive ...it looks nice.
  • gman4911gman4911 Posts: 43
    edited November 2012
    FYI, the computer MPG calculation is typically 2-4 MPGs too high so you might getting worse MPG than you realize.

    Sounds like you just need to adjust your 'lead' foot. My previous car was a 96 Pathfinder. When I first got the Elantra, like you, I was pressing down on the accelerator too hard because I was accustomed to the amount of pressure needed for the Pathfinder. My first tank was averaging 24 MPG (computer calculated) until I read some tips on how to drive the Elantra. When accelerating, the 'experts' were recommending light pressure on the accelerator and not letting the tachometer get above 2250-2500 RPMs. You're wasting fuel if you allow the RPMs to go above that range.

    Another tip is to coast as much as possible. When approaching a stop light, try to count to 5 or 10 before applying the brakes. If you can't do that, you're wasting fuel by driving too fast and/or following the cars in front of you too closely. After I made the adjustments, I was able to get my first tank to average 29 MPG (computer calculated). Now after 17 tanks, I am counting to 15 and 20 before applying the brakes and my overall average is 30 MPG (manually calculated), mostly city driving.
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