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2012 Kia Rio5: Real Time Fuel Economy (MPG).

phill1phill1 Posts: 315
edited September 15 in Kia
So far with just under 1000 miles driven and a month and a half of ownership, the fuel economy on my 2012 Kia Rio5 is quite disappointing, 26 mpg city and 36 mpg highway. My 2011 Ford Fiesta (without) GDI got constant 33 mpg city and 41 mpg highway with A/C always on and the car driven hard. It was the (only) vehicle I ever owned where the actual mpg achieved was actually "higher" the the EPA Estimates. Hoping the Rio`s numbers will improve with more miles driven.
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  • Hi Phill1,

    I too am experiencing similiar results with the my 2012 Rio5 SX using the onboard "Average Fuel Economy".

    However, my commute to work is nothing but stop signs and and stop lights for 2 miles in a college town.

    Whenever I get on the highway/interstate the MPG seems to hover around 45 on level road--I assume this using the bar graph for the live MPG monitor (which only has 3 numbers: 0, 30, and 60, and I have to guess where I fall in between).

    One thing I have noticed, my car has a "Eco" mode and when I turn the Eco mode off I seem to get better gas milage and the car is more fun to drive.

    For my next tank I will drive with Eco off. The tank after that will be Eco on and I will post the results. I will compare the results with the Carango App on my android.

    I never expected to get the EPA City Average posted on the sticker considering my commute, but it is a bummer to hear your results compared to another car.

    I am still pleased with my purchase because the Rio5 SX is a damn sexy car--best looking unmodified compact ever with a warranty to match.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Your 2012 Kia Rio5 SX has an "Active Eco" Mode Switch? Odd, mine nor any other 2012 Kia Rio5 that I have seen has this switch. Kia said that only the vehicles equipped with the Idle/Stop/&Go option would have that switch. Odd, since (all) the 2012 Hyundai Accents have it, go figure? Not that I really miss it, seems to me that your driving habits and gentle gas pedal operation would accomplish the same end result. My gas milage is not measured by the cars onboard computer estimates but simply dividing the gallons of fuel consumed into the mileage driven. Like I said, I don`t even have a 1000 miles driven yet and perhaps the fuel economy (may) improve in the future. I will discuss the matter with my local Kia Dealers service department for possible adjustments or other remedies if it does`nt improve after several thousand miles have been driven. Still think its the sharpest "B" segment vehicle in its class, with the sole exception of the Ford Fiesta Hatchback, which I also happen to own, LOL. They make a lovely couple, parked next to each other in my driveway.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    edited December 2011
    Forgot to mention, since I have the Base Model, LX" with the Power Package option and Automatic Transmission, I don`t have the "Supervisor" Computer Cluster that you have in the center of your Speedometer. The LX and EX Models only have a simple computer indicator below the Speedometer with trip meter, time driven, avg. MPG, etc, but has instead, the entire speedometer indicator that goes to the center of the cluster.
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    Phil1 wrote, "One thing I have noticed, my car has a "Eco" mode and when I turn the Eco mode off I seem to get better gas milage and the car is more fun to drive. "

    That's very interesting because my friend as a 2011 Forte SX who made the same claim about his vehicle. Almost all of his driving is in the city and he claims to get better fuel economy with Eco Mode turned off. I find that hard to believe but you're the 2nd person I know who made that claim.

    Let us know how your experiment turned out.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    You speak of the "Eco" Mode in a 2012 Kia Rio5. For U.S. version vehicles that don`t have the "ISG" Eco option, still not available to date, there is no "Eco" Mode switch. I believe that Canadian built 2012 Kia Rio5`s as well as all 2012 Hyundai Accents have the "ECO" Mode switch, but the U.S. 2012 Kia Rio5 does not.
  • My US 2012 Rio5 SX (bought in St. Louis, MO) does have an ECO switch. It's located to the left of the steering column.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Check out that switch to the left of the steering column. Perhaps on the 2012 Kia Rio5 "SX" you have an extra button located in that multiplex panel. Where button #11 is in your owners manual is for "Active Eco" (if equipped), my 2012 Kia Rio5 "LX" has just the black filler plate. Next to it though #12 in your owners manual is the switch for turning on and off "ESC", Electronic Stability Control, which I do have. Very odd that they deleted the "Active Eco" on the lower trim EX and LX models. Only the EX Trim will offer the ISG, idle/stop/go option that has not arrived yet which was supposed to include the "Active Eco". I`ll have to check my local Kia Dealer and see if any other EX or LX models have the extra Active Eco switch. Like I posted earlier, I thought is quite odd that the 2012 Hyundai Accent all came standard with it and its sibling cousin, the 2012 Kia Rio5 did not. Most folks that have vehicles equipped with that Active Eco feature claim very little fuel consumption improvement but significant reduction in performance. I`d probably not make use of it in my vehicle if it had it and I assume that its (default) setting would reset to on every time the engine was restarted and it would have to be turned off constantly.
  • It's definitely labeled "Active ECO." I have it turned off as I've read about the same things you have. That is, it doesn't increase your fuel economy that much, but does interfere with the vehicles performance. I'm in the process of doing a test. I'm going to run a few tanks through with Active ECO off, then a couple with it on.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Just came back from a local Kia Dealer and they only had (1) 2012 Kia Rio5 in "SX" Trim like yours. Your right, it has the 3rd button switch while my "LX" has just 2. I`ll have to check out a "EX" trim and see if it has the Active Eco mode. Perhaps only the top of the line "SX" gets it along with the "EX" if ordered with the extra cost "ISG" feature. I should`nt be surprised, the LX does`nt even get a folding armrest anymore nor a center console with storage, however in Canada, even the base "LX" trim gets Daytime Running Lights, (required by Canadian law) and the center console with storage and armrest. Can`t complain because at $16, 545 including freight, Power Window, Door Locks and remote key fob with carpeted floor mats, and the added automatic transmission, still a lot of car for the money. Would have been nice if they added the cruise control, again like what is standard in Canada but once again, here in the U.S. they can get away with it. By the way, how do you like that styrofoam box in the trunk well that holds the toy mini-air compressor and can of tire sealant goo? I went to a local junk yard and grabbed a 15`` emergency spare tire (donut) and jack-kit out of a wrecked 2007 Kia Rio5 and through that other crap out as trash! Lame excuse because the extra weight would have killed the fuel economy, right. Nothing to do with Kia and Hyundai saving a fortune on U.S. destined vehicles while Canada gets the spare tire (donut) and Australia gets a full size tire!
  • Yeah, the missing spare tire caught me off guard. Personally, in my 24 years of driving, I have never had a flat tire. I only drive the thing local so the sealant would work in a pinch. If I get a side wall failure, I'll just call a local tow company whom I have a business relationship with. They'll take care of me. If I did a lot of traveling with this, I would definitely get a spare tire.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    24 years of driving an (never) a flat tire? You belong in the The Guinness Book of World Records! I always have excellent rubber on my tires but nails sometimes still find there way to cause either a slow leak (if one is lucky) or simply find the tire completely flat. Having a local tow company to help you out is fine as long as your problem is local, what if your away from home? Having to get your vehicle towed with a sidewall failure to a tire center after hours or on a holiday when simply a call to AAA to have a tire change or worse case, jack it up and change the tire ones self. Like I posted earlier, both Kia and Hyundai still provide the spare tire and jack in their respective vehicles outside the U.S. The $75 I spent for the donut spare tire and jack kit was money well spent IMO for simple peace of mind. If it costs me a half mile per gallon loss of fuel economy, so be it!
  • I like to live on the edge... ;)
  • 24 years of driving without a single tire failure? Unbelievable. I've blown or popped at least 15 tires in my 36 years of driving, at least. And yes, it's good to have a jack and a regular-sized spare to use and to be able to have the control of doing it yourself.

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  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,890
    I've never blown or popped a tire while driving either, and I've been driving for about 30 years. Just lucky, I guess.

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  • Maybe we could move back on topic...

    My first full tank of gas without running in ECO mode 28MPG. Not exactly where I wanted to be, but close. I've always heard that you don't get true MPG data until the engine gets broke in (~1000 miles). I drive about 70% 30% city.
  • cbmortoncbmorton Posts: 252
    First fillup on our new Rio EX, manual transmission, showed the metric equivalent of 33.1 mpg on the onboard readout and it was 29.6 mpg manually calculated. My experience on other vehicles has been that these computers run optimistic, so that wasn't a surprise. For a brand-new vehicle in cold weather, most of that just driving around the city, I'm not disappointed.

    Just to clarify re the earlier tire discussion, here in Canada the LX (15" steelies) also does not have a spare tire, only the sealant kit. The EX (16" alloys) does have the doughnut, though.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    edited January 2012
    I am quite surprised. The Hyundai Accent and Elantra, Canadian version both have the spare "donut", go figure. I know that Kia Canada and Kia USA have different option packages and prices. The U.S. Base line LX has no center console with storage and armrest, nor fog lights, no cruise control even when the automatic transmission and power package is added for the PW, PL, and remote Key Fob, no Active Eco switch, only standard in EX and SX trim and last but not least, no Daytime Running Lights, forget about the LED`s, not even the regular low output reduced headlamps or pilot lamps. Heated exterior rear view mirrors or steering wheel, are you kidding? We don`t need them in FL but what about if you live in MN, WI, MT, ND or SD, or upper MI or NY? We don`t even get the option of 16`` Alloy Wheels which Canada gets.
    PS: 2012 Kia Rio`s get a "Full Size" Emergency Spare Tire in Australia.
    PSS: Hope either KIa or some other outfit offers a aftermarket center console with storage and armrest for the 2012 Kia Rio5 "LX" like was manufactured for the 2011 Ford Fiesta by Boomerang Industries.
  • cbmortoncbmorton Posts: 252
    Yes, it's interesting how they package them differently in terms of equipment, colours, etc. The centre console with sliding armrest is a nice touch, I admit.

    The DRLs don't use the headlights on ours - there's a separate lens and bulb located just below the actual headlights. I can see from pictures that US cars have the same headlamp cluster, so if there's a bulb in there on yours and you can find a way to activate it, there you go.
  • dchevdchev Posts: 38
    edited January 2012
    Does the 2012 Kia Rio 5 SX model have an independent suspension?
    Also, how do you like seats and ride of SX model?
  • I think all the Rio5's have front independent suspension (McPherson), rear is a coupled torsion beam axle.

    I think the seats are comfortable. The ride is a bit stiff, but I like it.
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    that's different to my Soul as it uses the highbeam bulb only at half power. here's a photo of the Canadian LX+ auto

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  • On my SX, that light is replaced with a strip of white LED's that activate when you turn on the parking or headlights.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    edited January 2012
    cbmorton; The U.S. version 2012 Kia Rio 5 does in fact have that opening at the bottom of the Headlamp Cluster where a bulb (Canadian) DRL goes,however unfortunately it is empty with no bulb or wiring. I was considering an aftermarket DRL Kit and have it installed however I`m afraid if anything went wrong with any electrical component, Kia would not cover the labor or repairs under its new vehicle warranty and allege that the problem was caused by the non Kia part. I can live without the Cruise Control,the Fog Lights, the Daytime Running Lights, but I (must) eventually find an aftermarket center console with armrest and storage. My 2011 Ford Fiesta did not have one, (they do for the 2012 Model) and I secured a OEM quality aftermarket unit manufactured by Boomerang Industries. They have yet to decide to design and market one yet for the 2012 Kia Rio5 "LX" U.S. version that does not have one. I simply could not justify paying an extra $800 to upgrade to the "EX" Model to get the Armrest. The other additional "EX" equipment that comes standard was not important to me.
  • I drive 80% highway, 20,000 miles per year. I just bought a 2012 Rio5 EX for the gas mileage. My problem is the trip computer shows an average of 35.5 MPG (quite acceptable), but my actual is only 31.5 - not impressive. If the trip computer was accurate, I may not have chosen the vehicle. Anyone else having a similar issue?

    Also, My rear speakers fade in and out, which I'm getting fixed during my 1,000 mile oil change.

    As a side note, I do have the Eco button, and I will try to keep it off for my next mileage calculation.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    You would consider 35.5 MPG (quite acceptable) for a vehicle that was touted to get 40 MPG Highway according to both the Manufacturer and EPA ratings? I`ve driven my 2012 Kia Rio5 LX that comes (without) the Active Eco switch almost 3000 miles so far and the gas milage both City and Highway is to say the least, Un-Acceptable period! All that hype about a new 1.6 ltr engine with GDI and my old 2006 Kia Rio5 without GDI and a 4 speed automatic transmission got better fuel economy. My 2011 Ford Fiesta SE hatchback (without GDI) has produced consistent 35 MPG City and 41-43 MPG Highway since day one! As far as the radio and speakers in the new 2012 Kia Rio5, without a doubt, the worst sound of any car I have ever owned and I`ve owned dozens. Sharp looking vehicle, good performance, but terrible fuel economy and a $10 portable radio would sound better. Shame on Kia, bet they make some serious changes for the 2013 Model including putting in a folding armrest in the LX Model like they have on their Canadian vehicles. Even the 2012 Hyundai Accent GS Hatchback (U.S.) version has a fold-up armrest as my old 2006 Kia Rio5 had as well.
  • elamins1elamins1 Posts: 1
    I just purchased a 2012 Rio Lx and I have to say I dont know if my gauges are malfunctioning already or the gas mileage is way off. I set a trip meter went about 18 miles and with the eco on my fuel range dropped by 35 miles! I understand its a fuel range but it seems like it drops about 2 miles for every mile driven.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Are you talking about the "Active Eco" switch? Unless you have a 2012 Canadian Kia Rio5 LX, the U.S. spec vehicle has (no) such "Active Eco" Button. Only the EX and SX Trim Lines have it. If you referring to Economy as in MPG, your gauges are (not) malfunctioning. I get about 30 MPG City with my 2012 Kia Rio5 LX with Automatic Transmission and (maybe) squeeze about 33/34 MPG with strictly Highway driving. The 40 MPG Highway EPA estimates are way off.
  • acausalacausal Posts: 1
    I am on my first tank. The car came with around 330 miles already on it. I guess compared to my earlier vehicle, I really enjoy it. I'm not sure if I trust the read-out, but it is consistently showing around 40 mpg for highway driving at approximately 70-75 mph... actually slightly over, for me. I feather-foot, and don't drive at all aggressively. I drive about 95% highway miles, as I work as a courier.

    I really doubt they'd do one big fat lie like this. But I don't know. I don't really feel like running the tank completely out from full to gauge exactly how many miles I'm able to do.

    At 60 mph I was able to see 45+mpg on the read-out. Do I trust it? I think it's within 4-5 mpg, at least. If I could squeeze 30+ mpg out of a 2003 Malibu with a V6 and nearly 500 lbs heavier, there's no way this can't do better.

    I see a lot of people complaining about mpg. I'm confused. Maybe sometime I'll drive until I run out of gas, and have a gas can on me to go to the nearest station to fill, just to see for sure.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    I`m rather confused by your Post? Why would you have to drive the vehicle from full until near empty to get an accurate calculation on what your fuel consumption is? Would`nt using a calculator and using the miles driven and gallons of fuel consumed do the same? Who by the way,who is complaining about poor fuel economy with the Ford Fiesta? There maybe other issues but Fuel Economy is certainly not one of them. Perhaps your getting confused reading previous posts complaining about quite disappointing fuel economy with the new 2012 Kia Rio that (I) posted on this Blog but whether you use the Ford Fiesta`s on board computer to estimate your mpg or do the calculation using miles driven by gas used, I`m sure you will verify that in deed, the EPA fuel economy numbers that were given for the Fiesta are actually (lower) then what most people actually experience. Where have you seen that lately with any other vehicle?
  • kobokokoboko Posts: 34
    If your rear speakers are fading in and out, then you probably have your system on surround. I initially thought that i had bad rear speakers also, till i turned surround off, and then all 4 worked fine. They are not the best speakers, but OK for an economy car. The front speakers are decent enough though.
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