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2012 Kia Rio5: Real Time Fuel Economy (MPG).

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  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited July 2012
    Skeptic:

    Thanks for adding that valuable information to the discussion. I also saw that MotorWeek report on the KIA you referred to where they got 38 mpg in their mixed driving route.

    Motorweek is highly regarded and part of PBS [Public Broadcasting System]. I'm sure people can find their review online.
  • skeptic101skeptic101 Posts: 29
    Just to be clear, I only claimed that 40 MPG was certainly "doable" since I achieved 42 on one trip and 43 on another, computed with my Garmin GPS's trip computer. I disclosed earlier that those trips were 99% Interstate at 5 MPH under the speed limit locked into the car's cruise control.

    The EPA is just a score keeper. I'm sure all the manufacturers now tweak their car's transmission shift points and final drive ratios to achieve the highest mileage possible on the EPA's highway cycle. You might notice that most of these high mileage car's automatic transmissions learn the driver's driving style over some number of miles and adjusts the shift points to suit the driver. I drive in a very gentle way that I'm sure leaves my Rio's shift points as delivered (optimal for EPA highway cycle). So, 40+ is doable in the new Rio but, as with any car, "your mileage may vary".
  • dchevdchev Posts: 38
    I have the same opinion about 2012 Kia Rio SX as Phill.
    Excellent built car; however, gas millage is bad. I do not shoot for 40MPG, but just in achieving 30MPG. I drive 50/50 city/highway and my gas millage is in 25-29 MPG range. If this is acceptable for some people, it is not for me!
    I switched to synthetic oil and this seemed to helped a little bit....but it is still under 30MPG.
    When we talk about average gas millage of 25-29 MPG, it comes to mind owning cars as Huyndai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord...which are much larger vehicles. I chose The Rio because of its size and sticker gas millage! My advise to potential Rio owners is to think about it when they buy this car-a very well built car which does not deliver good gas millage!
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited July 2012
    I've seen posts from dchev in other forums and have my doubts about his legitimacy. I suspect he uses multiple IDs in those forums to bad mouth KIAs. But let's put that aside for now.

    1. Motorweek, the highly respected Public TV evaluator of cars got 38 mpg in their mixed use test.

    2. Skeptic wrote, " I was disappointed with my 2012 Rio5's MPG at first, but about 4k I got one tank that gave me 42 MPG! On another trip at 6k I only got 38 MPG outbound, but got 43 over the same route on the return.

    3. I posted my real world combined driving numbers which are between 31-32 mpg which isn't too far off from the EPA combined rating of 33 mpg.

    Do your own research and try to find people who are objective and fair in their assessment. As for me, I admit that I love my RIO SX. Everybody who rides with me can't say enough good things about the car which is amazing for an economy class vehicle.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    I no longer have a "Dog in this fight" and I`d rather not argue the point with either Motor Week, which by the way, I contacted and questioned the numbers that they reported, nor do I wish to instigate (btatr). I agree with him whole heartedly, everyone is entitled to their own "Opinion", just not their own "Facts". It appears that Motor Week, stands by their report and replied to me stating the vehicle they tested was not a (ringer) provided by Kia to achieve the outstanding results that they documented. I personally feel that using the EPA figure of estimated 33 MPG average of (mixed) driving is realistic, most folks that choose to by a smaller Sub-Compact/B-Segment Vehicle are looking for even better fuel economy. I have to admit, if (averaging) the mixed driving and achieving the 33 MPG is the target, Kia did deliver. My complaint is that my other vehicle, a 2011 Ford Fiesta SE Hatchback, which (I) feel I can use as a similar Class Car both in weight,size, and engine displacement can get a constant 33-35 MPG City and 41/43 MPG Highway under any and every driving condition, the Kia Rio5 should be delivering similar results which it does not. Almost every Fiesta owner I have spoken with and almost every posting I have read from other Fiesta Owners report excellent fuel economy while a (majority) of 2012 Kia Rio owners that I have spoken to and the majority that have posted their own results have usually commented on somewhat disappointing numbers. I (like) my 2012 Kia Rio5, but if I could get the same miles per gallon in a larger, heavier, more powerful Car, I might have chosen something else.
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited July 2012
    I can't crawl into the mind and/or motivation of Dchev but I am glad he went to Motorweek and verified their results. If you're unfamiliar with Motorweek, they have a stellar reputation and have been reviewing cars for PBS (Public Broadcasting System) for as long as I can remember. I have to admit that I don't come close to their figure but I'm please with my 31-32 mpg combined rating which sometimes is slightly higher. Obviously it depends upon the ratio of city to highway driving.

    This past weekend I went for a drive of 73 miles up to the mountains and got 37.6 mpg. On that trip the first 11 miles were in town while the last 62 miles were all highway with no traffic. As I was driving my mpg kept going up on the computer so I don't know if I continued on if it would have gone higher. And in case you're wondering, I did not base my mpg on the computer which was slightly higher, at close to 39 mpg. I always check mpg the old fashioned way.

    After reaching the mountains I immediately filled up and calculated mpg for my 73 miles. However, after driving in the mountains for a period of time, mpg dropped significantly. The RIO's 1.6 Liter Engine had to work very hard climbing those mountains.
  • aurorabdsaurorabds Posts: 4
    My problem is, as previously stated, my computer mileage is 8-9% higher than n my actual. If you're getting 37 MPG computer, my guess is you're only getting 34 REAL MPG when you do the math.
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited July 2012
    aurorabds, thanks for providing your feedback but I don't think you carefully read what I wrote. The KIA computer said I was getting close to 39 mpg but after I filled up the tank and calculated mpg the old fashioned way, it was 37.6 mpg for the trip.

    It's safe to assume the trip computer is almost always slightly higher than your actual mpg. There's probably some logical, mathematical reason for that but I don't know what it is. I constantly monitor mpg the old fashioned way and never once got a real life figure that was higher than the computer number.

    The example I gave in my previous post was fairly typical. The computer mpg was hovering close to 39 mpg while my actual mileage was 37.6. Would you be kind enough to do the math and give us the exact percentage the computer was off? Thanks!
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited July 2012
    I don't know this guy and hope he doesn't mind but I thought his post in another KIA forum was interesting. Judge for yourself but it sounds almost identical to the results Skeptic described earlier in this thread.

    "Made a trip to laughlin NV from LA. filled up right off the freeway, did 43mpg all the way to laughlin. Trip back did 37mpg, this included some city driving in laughling which isnt much. YES! i did fill up on arizona side!

    Normal days i get 25-28 mpg, all city driving no highway. red lights for miles!!!"
  • skeptic101skeptic101 Posts: 29
    I don't understand; what "facts" are you disputing?
  • dchevdchev Posts: 38
    edited July 2012
    I did a trip of 100 miles today on the Interstate....and my millage was 38MPG by the computer of the car. This means that actual gas millage is something like 36-37 MPG-Interstate gas millage. I can say that I am satisfied with this gas millage.
    Then, I fill up the tank and drove just in city....and got 27.5MPG.....which is actual 26MPG... Not really satisfied with this number...:( (but I guess) I have to live with that!
    On the other hand, Rio's ride is excellent:), so must say that I really enjoyed my car!
    Cheers!
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited July 2012
    City stop and go driving is a killer for any car other than a hybrid.

    1. When you're stopped at red light or for traffic, you're getting zero mpg.

    2. When you accelerate you're burning fuel at a very high rate.

    I get around 25 mpg during city only driving, sometimes slightly less which is a good 5 miles less than the EPA rating. So the RIO excels on the highway but city driving could be better. On the other hand, I think EPA city ratings are way off.

    My 2002 Focus, which got 30 mpg on the highway like clockwork, would get a paltry 17-18 mpg in city only driving, despite a much higher EPA rating of 25 mpg. In light of that, I'm getting about 7-8 more mpg from my KIA ,which is a a huge improvement over the Focus, I'll take it!
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Guess Ford did their (homework) when they developed their Fiesta for its introduction to North America. Of course they had several years to work on it since it was manufactured previously for the European Market. Gas milage for that 2002 Focus was pretty dismal, I agree. I owned a 2001 Focus Wagon and I think if I recall, my vehicle got significantly better fuel economy then yours did. In fairness though, comparing the technology of a 2002 era vehicle with one a decade later in 2012 is like comparing apples with oranges. Other then they were both vehicles made of steel, designed to carry passengers and rode on rubber tires, they had little else in common. I personally think it more relevant comparing what similar size and weight vehicles achieve in fuel economy built either the same year or certainly no more then a few years apart. Comparing gas milage of a Hyundai Accent/Kia Rio vs same year Ford Fiesta make better sense to me. It would be like comparing your 2002 Ford Focus with the fuel economy and performance of its newer 2012/2013 sibling. Not a fair comparison, I think. I guess I should stop complaining about (my) disappointment with my own 2012 Kia Rio5`s gas milage. Even (I) am getting slightly better in city mpg here in hot/humid South FL where the traffic is nearly always stop and go, traffic lights are long and never co-ordinated. and the air conditioning is engaged constantly, all the time. Still, be it 25 mpg or 28 mpg in City driving, stop and go with idling, its not where it should be for a Sub-Compact/B-Segment vehicle that is relatively light weight and has but a 1.6 ltr. engine (with GDI). Explain to me how Motorweek then was able to squeeze the unbelievable mpg numbers they reported? Their (lowest) mpg was better then my (highest) mpg that I get tossing out the "average" mixed use or best highway mpg they achieved on the Race Track Oval? I`m still a sceptic despite the fine reputation they maintain. I`m sure Kia (and Hyundai) will "tweek" their Accents and Rios over the next year or two and bump up their mpg numbers.
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited July 2012
    As usual, you misunderstood my point. Although I agree that comparing a 2002 model with a 2012 is apples to oranges, that wasn't why I talked about the difference in city fuel economy. I was merely trying to say that even though the RIO falls a little short in city driving mpg, I'm pleased because it's still a 7-8 mpg jump from my 02 Focus in the city.

    As for Motorweek's results, I have to agree. Somebody must have confused highway with their mixed mileage circuit

    Back to something more important. the RIO SX is a fantastic vehicle for an economy car on so many levels. Everyone who sees it and/or rides with me praises the car to no end. I'm not big on looks, but even I have to acknowledge the SX is one sleek, aerodynamic car. And I especially love the low profile tires/wheels.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    edited July 2012
    I agree with everything you said, (But) although once again, (I`m) probably misunderstanding your point. I also find my 2012 Kia Rio5,attractive, sleek, aerodynamic,comfortable, fairly peppy for it (class), and last but not least, fun to drive! I personally cannot describe an "economy" Car that gets mediocre (at best) fuel consumption as "Fantastic". One of the main attributes of purchasing an "economy" car is to get superior MPG even in its own segment, which again without beating my point to death, (I) feel the 2012 Kia Rio5 falls short. Maybe its because I also took offense to Mitt Romney`s description of Paul Ryan`s Budget Plan as being "Marvelous", a bit over the top too. I`m glad you enjoy the stiffer/sportier ride the SX Model gets with its HD suspension and low profile tire/wheels. I drove (all) three Models and again, I personally enjoyed the softer more comfortable ride of both the LX and EX. Probably because I`m older and retired, and have long forgotten the feel of driving my "new" 1967 Corvette StingRay Convertible, back in the day. Guess thats why they make Cars in different Models so that they can appeal to most everyones individual preference be it with Color or Equipment. Enjoy your new Kia Rio5 SX and get back in the future and we can see if (either) of our vehicles improve their fuel efficiency with additional miles driven. I doubt it, but one never knows, does one? Cheers!
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited July 2012
    I'm also an older guy and this car makes me feel younger. Suspension is a personal thing. I don't want a rough ride and I don't in any way find the SX ride stiff. The RIO is not a sports car so the SX package, including the low profile wheels/tires, gives me better handling and a more secure feel for the road. But once again, there's no right or wrong here, it's personal taste.

    Phil, I agreed with much of what you said in your last post except for fuel economy. I'm very pleased with the 31-32 mpg I get in combined driving. As I mentioned several times, I had no illusion that I would match the EPA mileage rating, but combined driving is pretty close.

    In addition, on my last highway trip I got 37.6 mpg, which is also relatively close to the EPA highway rating, so I'm not complaining. Since I never expected 40 mpg, getting close to 38 is fine in my book.

    The only area where I agree with you about mpg is city driving.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    btatr: My friend, I`m glad we reached some common ground if not consensus on a lot of our 2012 Kia Rio5`s attributes. I will humbly agree to disagree on our major difference of opinion in regards to the Fuel Economy of this vehicle. So be it. I see that in the new 2013 Kia Rio, they made very few changes across all 3 Trim Lines LX, EX, and SX. A Luggage under-floor tray and net besides the Luggage area cover that we (both) have is now standard on both EX and SX Models but not on the Base LX. The Base LX for 2013 now gets the "Active-Eco" Switch and electronics, partially do to my (bitching) to Kia that they should have included it in the 2012 LX Line since Hyundai had it as standard equipment on its 2012 Accent in all trim levels. Still no Armrest with Storage Box on the Center Console for the LX, a major disappointment for me that I corrected by having purchased all the necessary OEM Parts and having it installed afterwards. Still no Spare Tire and Jack assembly in the trunk but I took care of that by purchasing a 15`` Emergency Spare Donut and Jack Assembly off a 2008 Kia Rio5 on Ebay and tossing the toy air-compressor and can of tire sealant foam into the trash. A lot of good that nifty kit would be if one suffered a sidewall tire cut or failure. Oh, two new paint colors added, Aurora Black replaces Midnight Black, and Midnight Sapphire is newly added for the Sedans only. The SX also gets for 2013 a Steering- wheel-mounted paddle shifter. Everything else looks like a carry over from the 2012 run as expected. Enjoy your weekend. I`m planning on doing some serious BBQ myself, and I don`t mean Hot Dogs and Hamburgers. Between the Pork Shoulders, Beef Brisket, Ribs and Poultry, I`m doing enough to appease my neighbors from complaining about the (smoke) by feeding most of them to gain their patience. Cheers
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,870
    Save some brisket! If I leave now, i can be there in about, oh... 28 hours.

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  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited July 2012
    Phil said about the 2013 model, "A Luggage under-floor tray....."

    Wow! When I bought the RIO I was disappointed because it didn't have the under floor tray that our KIA Forte SX has. Believe me Phil, that doesn't sound like much, but it's a nifty addition. Why? Because it increases storage significantly and helps organize everything into its own compartment.

    I wonder if 2012 owners can purchase that tray? I'll have to ask at the KIA owner's website.


    By the way, as much as I love my RIO, the Forte SX model is even better and a hidden gem in the automobile market. But you wouldn't like it because fuel economy isn't a major plus. The SX model has a killer 2.4 Liter engine that is soooooooooooo fast. It's like the big brother of the RIO with more storage and interior room. They even look alike.

    As for the spare, at first I wasn't happy and somewhat apprehensive. But then I thought about it and realized in over 40 years of driving, I never had a flat on the road that disabled my car. Yes I had nails in tires and several slow leaks which required repair and/or replacing the tire, but never a total flat on the road.

    Besides, doesn't KIA provide FREE roadside assistance the first 5 years?
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    kristie; The Briskets and Shoulders are going in the "Pit" around 6:00pm tomorrow and will probably come off between 4:00 and 6:00pm Sun. The Ribs and Poultry will go in around Noon time Sunday along with Louisiana Bouidan Sausage and a few Texas Beef Links too. See you around 7:00 pm Sunday. If you run a bit late, just like Tom Bodeit from Motel 6, I`ll leave the light on for you. Depending where you coming from, bring a few Cases of Craft Micro-Brewed Beer with you.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Any parts that are now coming on the 2013 Kia Rio`s are available through the Parts Department. After they shoot you a price, you might want to check on Ebay with some of the Korean Resellers that advertise on there. I have bought a ton of Kia Rio5 OEM factory Accessories for a fraction of the cost at the U.S. Kia Dealers, including the cost of Air Postage shipping parts, from Korea and arriving in 7 to 10 days with no problems at all. I know you seldom have a tire side wall blow out, (but) I personally don`t want to wait hours for a Tow Truck hauling me away whether or not Kia Road Service pays for it or AAA. Its just a aggravation I would rather avoid.
  • skeptic101skeptic101 Posts: 29
    The readers on here might be interested in this Edmunds article on real world MPG.

    http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/heres-why-real-world-mpg-doesnt-match-epa-ra- tings.html

    I claimed earlier that the EPA used E-10 gas for their tests, but this article says they use E-0. Since I use E-15 through Kansas occasionally I can attest that the amount of alcohol in the gas makes a big difference in MPG. Not mentioned in the article is that most modern automatics slowly adjust shift points based on the driver's driving style. The factories set the delivered shift points for optimal MPG over the EPA's Highway, City and Combined test "routes". Most people don't duplicate that same route in their daily drives and probably don't duplicate the EPA's "driver" action either (it's a computer). Since the manufacturers know the EPA's exact test "route", in addition to shift points they are also able to program the car's camshaft timing for optimal MPG over the test routes and, in the case of the Accent/Rio twins, include a driver controlled switch (ECO) that makes the transmission upshift sooner and smooths out the car's accelerator action (it's all controlled by the car's computer). The point of all this is that the "ringer" here is the car. Since I drive more gently than most drivers, I've been able to exceed the EPA's estimates with every car I have owned. My neighbor's smart alec kid told me if I drove any slower they would give me a parking ticket (ha ha). Using our car's trip computers I can susally beat my wife's mileage by about 20%. At 7k I'm now averaging 35 MPG using the Rio's trip computer (probably 75% rural, 25% city). That beats the heck out of my old PT Cruiser's 25 MPG average over the same mixed roads. I haven't compared the GPS's computed MPG with the Rio's trip computer, but the Rio's trip odometer is off by only 1% higher with its new tires inflated to 35 PSI. I love the Rio's looks, value and practicality, but I miss my old Cruiser.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Well, like I posted before, it was nice on Kia`s part to finally (include) the Active-Eco feature now added to its Kia Rio`s in their "LX" Models for the 2013 Run since they (did not) in the 2012 Model Year. I`m not too surprised that they were more interested in saving a few bucks where they could. Same thing both Hyundai and KIa did by replacing the Emergency Spare Tire and Jack Assembly in the Trunk with a mini air-compressor and can of tire sealant goo. I know they claim it was to save weight to improve Fuel Economy. Odd that in Canada, their vehicles still get the traditional spare tire (donut) set up. Must be Canadians aren`t much concerned with their gas mileage, eh? The weight issue is ridiculous anyway, a Bag of groceries in the trunk and a case of Beer would also have the same (drastic effect). In Australia, the Kia Rio`s comes with a "Full Size" Spare Tire"! Car manufacturers market cars and equip them depending on the Market they are being sold in and the demand that most Buyers insist on. Americans, as usual, just go along with whatever the Auto Manufacturers decide , smile, and gleefully drive their new car home. Even in Canada, their food items are made differently then here in the U.S. Pick up a package of Cookies, or other baked products. On the label if it says Chocolate, it contains Chocolate. In the U.S. the same product will state, "Chocolate Flavored" and reading the fine print you will always read that the product contains Chocolate Flavoring using "artificial" Chocolate Flavoring, (not) real Chocolate. The Ethanol infusion of a minimum of 10% added to Gasoline in most parts of the Country is just an excuse to continue giant subsides to Big Agriculture to keep the price of Corn high regardless of growing conditions and the size of the crop. If the Goverment were truly concerned with being energy independent and reducing pollution, converting all motor vehicles to Natural Gas (Propane) which the U.S. and Canada have an endless supply would have happened years ago.
  • skeptic101skeptic101 Posts: 29
    The belief that the Canadian Rio has a temporary spare is not true. They are equipped with the 12v inflator and tire sealant like the US models. GM is also doing this. Additionally, the Active ECO switch is not standard on the 2013 LX. It remains an option just like the 2012 LX. However, the 2013 LX does now have an armrest.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    edited July 2012
    Skeptic101; Absolutely wrong on (2) issues and partially wrong on the (3rd). First, the 2012 Kia Rio LX even ordering it with the optional "Power Package", PW/PL/ and Remote Key Fob, which I have, (did not) have the Active Eco either as standard equipment or as an option, period! It is now available on the 2013 Kia Rio5 in the LX Trim if ordered with the automatic transmission as standard (this) year. The Center Console with Armrest and Storage Box is (not) available in the 2013 Kia Rio5 "LX" either as Standard equipment nor is it available as an option, period! You may be confusing U.S. Spec Kia Rio5`s and Canadian Spec Kia Rio5`s! Lastly, true, not all Kia`s or Hyundai`s come with the spare tire and jack in Canada. It all depends on the Model and Trim level. Even the stripped down Canadian Kia Rio5 LX base model without a/c has the center console with armrest and storage box (and) fog lights. U.S. and Canada get two very different vehicles.
  • skeptic101skeptic101 Posts: 29
    Just going by information from Kia. Content of the LX Power Package includes power windows, power door locks, remote and "Active ECO System". Canadian Rio's standard equipment (all models) includes "Tire Mobility Kit". I heard (just rumor) the dealers will be getting a compact spare wheel, tire and jack kit they can order or stock. I gave some bad information on the arm rest. It is still not available on the US LX, just the Canadian. BTW, AutoGuide.com got 37 MPG on their road test. MPGomatic.com got 34 combined, 43 Interstate.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    edited July 2012
    skeptic101: All 2013 Kia Rio`s and Rio5`s in "LX" Trim now come with the Active-Eco regardless if the car is equipped with the optional Power Package or not. I was at my local Kia Dealership Friday and I can confirm that I saw several Base Model LX`s with crank up windows and no power door locks and they all had the Active Eco. As I posted earlier, I solved the issue of the Armrest with Storage Box in the Center Console for my "LX"by having all (9) pieces that compose the necessary parts plus the needed hardware which I purchased from an Ebay Seller who shipped everything to me Air Freight from Korea for only $190, a fraction of what these individual parts would have costed purchased at any Kia Dealer here in the U.S. They were all genuine OEM Kia Parts made by MOBIS, the parts manufacturer for both Kia and Hyundai. Its a bit of a tricky installation but if one is a skilled DIYS individual and have the necessary tools,you could perhaps avoid the Dealership install. I chose having my Kia Dealers service department do it for me at the cost of 1 hours labor. In regards to the (missing) spare tire and jack, when they do become available as an after market kit from your Kia Dealer, it will cost several hundred dollars. Again, visit a local Junk Yard (or) simply go once again, back on Ebay Motors (parts) and type in the spare tire size (donut) and jack assembly your looking for and you can get everything, likely brand new or even new and never been used for about $100. All 2006 thru 2008 Kia Rio`s had 15`` wheels and tires and I`m sure other years had them as well. If you happen to have the 2012 or 2013 Kia "SX" with the 17`` wheels, it may be a bit more difficult or perhaps impossible to find these from an older model Kia Rio`s because this (might) be the first year that Kia put 17`` wheels and tires on any of its Rio`s. Funny, that Kia Canada has even the Fog Lights and Armrest with storage box center console on there lowest trim model "LX" that has no A/C. When you move up to a Canadian Spec "LX+", you get the A/C PW,PL, Remote Key Fob, etc. Check Kia Canada web site and see how their Kia`s are configured differently then U.S. Kia`s and even have different colors to choose from. One edge for me is that in the U.S. Kia offers (beige) cloth interior, which I prefer, especially depending on the exterior paint color. In Canada, only (black) is available. Also, since Canadian Law requires (all) vehicle to have DRL`s, daytime running lights, the LX, LX+, both have the non-LED DRL`s in their head lamp cluster. In the U.S. they only put them on the "SX" with LED illumination. Hyundai on the other hand puts non-led`s DRL`s on all their Sonata and Elantra`s but failed to put them on their Accents. Go figure?
  • skeptic101skeptic101 Posts: 29
    The Active ECO System is available as a stand alone option on the 2013 LX but it's still listed as an option. With what you've seen on your dealer's lot it makes me wonder if it is now a "mandatory option". In other words, Kia is adding it to every car they ship to address complaints of low MPG, but is listing it as an option on the LX to keep the advertised price low. Lots of manufacturers do that kind of stuff.

    This has nothing to do with MPG, but I've read that the only difference on the non-LED DRLs is a jumper added to a circuit board during manufacture of the Canadian bound cars.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    On the MSRP of (3) of the 2013 Base Model Rio5 (LX), there was no add on or listed mention of a (mandatory) option of Active Eco. Kia originally planned to include the Active-Eco as standard equipment only on the LX ordered with the optional Power Package. They obviously changed there mind and its now included even in the base stripped down models too. The only add on option listed with these (3) 2013 Kia Rio5`s was the optional floor mats adding $95 to the MSRP, other then the freight/delivery charge always listed at the bottom of the sticker. I would like to have the DRL`s added to my American Spec Kia but the dealer does not have any listing for either the module or the necessary circuit board that might be needed. I might check with a Kia Dealer next time I`m in Montreal and have them look up what might be needed in their Canadian Parts system, bit I suspect that it would not be a simple plug in installation. I have seen after market universal DRL Kits on the Web but I would`nt chance having one installed and have it blamed for damaging the electrical system and possibly voiding my new car warranty. On my 2011 Ford Fiesta (U.S.) spec vehicle, the Ford Dealer was able to activate the DRL`s using the smart junction box and the IDS Programmer which took about 10 minutes.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Perhaps your confusing the optional "ECO" Package that includes the Active Eco (plus) Stop and Go Technology with the just the standard Active Eco which (now) comes on all Kia Rio`s regardless of Trim Level at no extra cost (including) the "LX". The "ECO" Package now available for 2013 is an option (only) available on the "EX" Trim Models exclusively.
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