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2012 Kia Rio5: Real Time Fuel Economy (MPG).

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  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited July 2012
    Skeptic:

    Thanks for adding that valuable information to the discussion. I also saw that MotorWeek report on the KIA you referred to where they got 38 mpg in their mixed driving route.

    Motorweek is highly regarded and part of PBS [Public Broadcasting System]. I'm sure people can find their review online.
  • skeptic101skeptic101 Posts: 29
    Just to be clear, I only claimed that 40 MPG was certainly "doable" since I achieved 42 on one trip and 43 on another, computed with my Garmin GPS's trip computer. I disclosed earlier that those trips were 99% Interstate at 5 MPH under the speed limit locked into the car's cruise control.

    The EPA is just a score keeper. I'm sure all the manufacturers now tweak their car's transmission shift points and final drive ratios to achieve the highest mileage possible on the EPA's highway cycle. You might notice that most of these high mileage car's automatic transmissions learn the driver's driving style over some number of miles and adjusts the shift points to suit the driver. I drive in a very gentle way that I'm sure leaves my Rio's shift points as delivered (optimal for EPA highway cycle). So, 40+ is doable in the new Rio but, as with any car, "your mileage may vary".
  • dchevdchev Posts: 38
    I have the same opinion about 2012 Kia Rio SX as Phill.
    Excellent built car; however, gas millage is bad. I do not shoot for 40MPG, but just in achieving 30MPG. I drive 50/50 city/highway and my gas millage is in 25-29 MPG range. If this is acceptable for some people, it is not for me!
    I switched to synthetic oil and this seemed to helped a little bit....but it is still under 30MPG.
    When we talk about average gas millage of 25-29 MPG, it comes to mind owning cars as Huyndai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord...which are much larger vehicles. I chose The Rio because of its size and sticker gas millage! My advise to potential Rio owners is to think about it when they buy this car-a very well built car which does not deliver good gas millage!
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited July 2012
    I've seen posts from dchev in other forums and have my doubts about his legitimacy. I suspect he uses multiple IDs in those forums to bad mouth KIAs. But let's put that aside for now.

    1. Motorweek, the highly respected Public TV evaluator of cars got 38 mpg in their mixed use test.

    2. Skeptic wrote, " I was disappointed with my 2012 Rio5's MPG at first, but about 4k I got one tank that gave me 42 MPG! On another trip at 6k I only got 38 MPG outbound, but got 43 over the same route on the return.

    3. I posted my real world combined driving numbers which are between 31-32 mpg which isn't too far off from the EPA combined rating of 33 mpg.

    Do your own research and try to find people who are objective and fair in their assessment. As for me, I admit that I love my RIO SX. Everybody who rides with me can't say enough good things about the car which is amazing for an economy class vehicle.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    I no longer have a "Dog in this fight" and I`d rather not argue the point with either Motor Week, which by the way, I contacted and questioned the numbers that they reported, nor do I wish to instigate (btatr). I agree with him whole heartedly, everyone is entitled to their own "Opinion", just not their own "Facts". It appears that Motor Week, stands by their report and replied to me stating the vehicle they tested was not a (ringer) provided by Kia to achieve the outstanding results that they documented. I personally feel that using the EPA figure of estimated 33 MPG average of (mixed) driving is realistic, most folks that choose to by a smaller Sub-Compact/B-Segment Vehicle are looking for even better fuel economy. I have to admit, if (averaging) the mixed driving and achieving the 33 MPG is the target, Kia did deliver. My complaint is that my other vehicle, a 2011 Ford Fiesta SE Hatchback, which (I) feel I can use as a similar Class Car both in weight,size, and engine displacement can get a constant 33-35 MPG City and 41/43 MPG Highway under any and every driving condition, the Kia Rio5 should be delivering similar results which it does not. Almost every Fiesta owner I have spoken with and almost every posting I have read from other Fiesta Owners report excellent fuel economy while a (majority) of 2012 Kia Rio owners that I have spoken to and the majority that have posted their own results have usually commented on somewhat disappointing numbers. I (like) my 2012 Kia Rio5, but if I could get the same miles per gallon in a larger, heavier, more powerful Car, I might have chosen something else.
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited July 2012
    I can't crawl into the mind and/or motivation of Dchev but I am glad he went to Motorweek and verified their results. If you're unfamiliar with Motorweek, they have a stellar reputation and have been reviewing cars for PBS (Public Broadcasting System) for as long as I can remember. I have to admit that I don't come close to their figure but I'm please with my 31-32 mpg combined rating which sometimes is slightly higher. Obviously it depends upon the ratio of city to highway driving.

    This past weekend I went for a drive of 73 miles up to the mountains and got 37.6 mpg. On that trip the first 11 miles were in town while the last 62 miles were all highway with no traffic. As I was driving my mpg kept going up on the computer so I don't know if I continued on if it would have gone higher. And in case you're wondering, I did not base my mpg on the computer which was slightly higher, at close to 39 mpg. I always check mpg the old fashioned way.

    After reaching the mountains I immediately filled up and calculated mpg for my 73 miles. However, after driving in the mountains for a period of time, mpg dropped significantly. The RIO's 1.6 Liter Engine had to work very hard climbing those mountains.
  • aurorabdsaurorabds Posts: 4
    My problem is, as previously stated, my computer mileage is 8-9% higher than n my actual. If you're getting 37 MPG computer, my guess is you're only getting 34 REAL MPG when you do the math.
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited July 2012
    aurorabds, thanks for providing your feedback but I don't think you carefully read what I wrote. The KIA computer said I was getting close to 39 mpg but after I filled up the tank and calculated mpg the old fashioned way, it was 37.6 mpg for the trip.

    It's safe to assume the trip computer is almost always slightly higher than your actual mpg. There's probably some logical, mathematical reason for that but I don't know what it is. I constantly monitor mpg the old fashioned way and never once got a real life figure that was higher than the computer number.

    The example I gave in my previous post was fairly typical. The computer mpg was hovering close to 39 mpg while my actual mileage was 37.6. Would you be kind enough to do the math and give us the exact percentage the computer was off? Thanks!
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited July 2012
    I don't know this guy and hope he doesn't mind but I thought his post in another KIA forum was interesting. Judge for yourself but it sounds almost identical to the results Skeptic described earlier in this thread.

    "Made a trip to laughlin NV from LA. filled up right off the freeway, did 43mpg all the way to laughlin. Trip back did 37mpg, this included some city driving in laughling which isnt much. YES! i did fill up on arizona side!

    Normal days i get 25-28 mpg, all city driving no highway. red lights for miles!!!"
  • skeptic101skeptic101 Posts: 29
    I don't understand; what "facts" are you disputing?
  • dchevdchev Posts: 38
    edited July 2012
    I did a trip of 100 miles today on the Interstate....and my millage was 38MPG by the computer of the car. This means that actual gas millage is something like 36-37 MPG-Interstate gas millage. I can say that I am satisfied with this gas millage.
    Then, I fill up the tank and drove just in city....and got 27.5MPG.....which is actual 26MPG... Not really satisfied with this number...:( (but I guess) I have to live with that!
    On the other hand, Rio's ride is excellent:), so must say that I really enjoyed my car!
    Cheers!
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited July 2012
    City stop and go driving is a killer for any car other than a hybrid.

    1. When you're stopped at red light or for traffic, you're getting zero mpg.

    2. When you accelerate you're burning fuel at a very high rate.

    I get around 25 mpg during city only driving, sometimes slightly less which is a good 5 miles less than the EPA rating. So the RIO excels on the highway but city driving could be better. On the other hand, I think EPA city ratings are way off.

    My 2002 Focus, which got 30 mpg on the highway like clockwork, would get a paltry 17-18 mpg in city only driving, despite a much higher EPA rating of 25 mpg. In light of that, I'm getting about 7-8 more mpg from my KIA ,which is a a huge improvement over the Focus, I'll take it!
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Guess Ford did their (homework) when they developed their Fiesta for its introduction to North America. Of course they had several years to work on it since it was manufactured previously for the European Market. Gas milage for that 2002 Focus was pretty dismal, I agree. I owned a 2001 Focus Wagon and I think if I recall, my vehicle got significantly better fuel economy then yours did. In fairness though, comparing the technology of a 2002 era vehicle with one a decade later in 2012 is like comparing apples with oranges. Other then they were both vehicles made of steel, designed to carry passengers and rode on rubber tires, they had little else in common. I personally think it more relevant comparing what similar size and weight vehicles achieve in fuel economy built either the same year or certainly no more then a few years apart. Comparing gas milage of a Hyundai Accent/Kia Rio vs same year Ford Fiesta make better sense to me. It would be like comparing your 2002 Ford Focus with the fuel economy and performance of its newer 2012/2013 sibling. Not a fair comparison, I think. I guess I should stop complaining about (my) disappointment with my own 2012 Kia Rio5`s gas milage. Even (I) am getting slightly better in city mpg here in hot/humid South FL where the traffic is nearly always stop and go, traffic lights are long and never co-ordinated. and the air conditioning is engaged constantly, all the time. Still, be it 25 mpg or 28 mpg in City driving, stop and go with idling, its not where it should be for a Sub-Compact/B-Segment vehicle that is relatively light weight and has but a 1.6 ltr. engine (with GDI). Explain to me how Motorweek then was able to squeeze the unbelievable mpg numbers they reported? Their (lowest) mpg was better then my (highest) mpg that I get tossing out the "average" mixed use or best highway mpg they achieved on the Race Track Oval? I`m still a sceptic despite the fine reputation they maintain. I`m sure Kia (and Hyundai) will "tweek" their Accents and Rios over the next year or two and bump up their mpg numbers.
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited July 2012
    As usual, you misunderstood my point. Although I agree that comparing a 2002 model with a 2012 is apples to oranges, that wasn't why I talked about the difference in city fuel economy. I was merely trying to say that even though the RIO falls a little short in city driving mpg, I'm pleased because it's still a 7-8 mpg jump from my 02 Focus in the city.

    As for Motorweek's results, I have to agree. Somebody must have confused highway with their mixed mileage circuit

    Back to something more important. the RIO SX is a fantastic vehicle for an economy car on so many levels. Everyone who sees it and/or rides with me praises the car to no end. I'm not big on looks, but even I have to acknowledge the SX is one sleek, aerodynamic car. And I especially love the low profile tires/wheels.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    edited July 2012
    I agree with everything you said, (But) although once again, (I`m) probably misunderstanding your point. I also find my 2012 Kia Rio5,attractive, sleek, aerodynamic,comfortable, fairly peppy for it (class), and last but not least, fun to drive! I personally cannot describe an "economy" Car that gets mediocre (at best) fuel consumption as "Fantastic". One of the main attributes of purchasing an "economy" car is to get superior MPG even in its own segment, which again without beating my point to death, (I) feel the 2012 Kia Rio5 falls short. Maybe its because I also took offense to Mitt Romney`s description of Paul Ryan`s Budget Plan as being "Marvelous", a bit over the top too. I`m glad you enjoy the stiffer/sportier ride the SX Model gets with its HD suspension and low profile tire/wheels. I drove (all) three Models and again, I personally enjoyed the softer more comfortable ride of both the LX and EX. Probably because I`m older and retired, and have long forgotten the feel of driving my "new" 1967 Corvette StingRay Convertible, back in the day. Guess thats why they make Cars in different Models so that they can appeal to most everyones individual preference be it with Color or Equipment. Enjoy your new Kia Rio5 SX and get back in the future and we can see if (either) of our vehicles improve their fuel efficiency with additional miles driven. I doubt it, but one never knows, does one? Cheers!
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited July 2012
    I'm also an older guy and this car makes me feel younger. Suspension is a personal thing. I don't want a rough ride and I don't in any way find the SX ride stiff. The RIO is not a sports car so the SX package, including the low profile wheels/tires, gives me better handling and a more secure feel for the road. But once again, there's no right or wrong here, it's personal taste.

    Phil, I agreed with much of what you said in your last post except for fuel economy. I'm very pleased with the 31-32 mpg I get in combined driving. As I mentioned several times, I had no illusion that I would match the EPA mileage rating, but combined driving is pretty close.

    In addition, on my last highway trip I got 37.6 mpg, which is also relatively close to the EPA highway rating, so I'm not complaining. Since I never expected 40 mpg, getting close to 38 is fine in my book.

    The only area where I agree with you about mpg is city driving.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    btatr: My friend, I`m glad we reached some common ground if not consensus on a lot of our 2012 Kia Rio5`s attributes. I will humbly agree to disagree on our major difference of opinion in regards to the Fuel Economy of this vehicle. So be it. I see that in the new 2013 Kia Rio, they made very few changes across all 3 Trim Lines LX, EX, and SX. A Luggage under-floor tray and net besides the Luggage area cover that we (both) have is now standard on both EX and SX Models but not on the Base LX. The Base LX for 2013 now gets the "Active-Eco" Switch and electronics, partially do to my (bitching) to Kia that they should have included it in the 2012 LX Line since Hyundai had it as standard equipment on its 2012 Accent in all trim levels. Still no Armrest with Storage Box on the Center Console for the LX, a major disappointment for me that I corrected by having purchased all the necessary OEM Parts and having it installed afterwards. Still no Spare Tire and Jack assembly in the trunk but I took care of that by purchasing a 15`` Emergency Spare Donut and Jack Assembly off a 2008 Kia Rio5 on Ebay and tossing the toy air-compressor and can of tire sealant foam into the trash. A lot of good that nifty kit would be if one suffered a sidewall tire cut or failure. Oh, two new paint colors added, Aurora Black replaces Midnight Black, and Midnight Sapphire is newly added for the Sedans only. The SX also gets for 2013 a Steering- wheel-mounted paddle shifter. Everything else looks like a carry over from the 2012 run as expected. Enjoy your weekend. I`m planning on doing some serious BBQ myself, and I don`t mean Hot Dogs and Hamburgers. Between the Pork Shoulders, Beef Brisket, Ribs and Poultry, I`m doing enough to appease my neighbors from complaining about the (smoke) by feeding most of them to gain their patience. Cheers
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,810
    Save some brisket! If I leave now, i can be there in about, oh... 28 hours.

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  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited July 2012
    Phil said about the 2013 model, "A Luggage under-floor tray....."

    Wow! When I bought the RIO I was disappointed because it didn't have the under floor tray that our KIA Forte SX has. Believe me Phil, that doesn't sound like much, but it's a nifty addition. Why? Because it increases storage significantly and helps organize everything into its own compartment.

    I wonder if 2012 owners can purchase that tray? I'll have to ask at the KIA owner's website.


    By the way, as much as I love my RIO, the Forte SX model is even better and a hidden gem in the automobile market. But you wouldn't like it because fuel economy isn't a major plus. The SX model has a killer 2.4 Liter engine that is soooooooooooo fast. It's like the big brother of the RIO with more storage and interior room. They even look alike.

    As for the spare, at first I wasn't happy and somewhat apprehensive. But then I thought about it and realized in over 40 years of driving, I never had a flat on the road that disabled my car. Yes I had nails in tires and several slow leaks which required repair and/or replacing the tire, but never a total flat on the road.

    Besides, doesn't KIA provide FREE roadside assistance the first 5 years?
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    kristie; The Briskets and Shoulders are going in the "Pit" around 6:00pm tomorrow and will probably come off between 4:00 and 6:00pm Sun. The Ribs and Poultry will go in around Noon time Sunday along with Louisiana Bouidan Sausage and a few Texas Beef Links too. See you around 7:00 pm Sunday. If you run a bit late, just like Tom Bodeit from Motel 6, I`ll leave the light on for you. Depending where you coming from, bring a few Cases of Craft Micro-Brewed Beer with you.
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