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2012 Kia Rio5: Real Time Fuel Economy (MPG).

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  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Any parts that are now coming on the 2013 Kia Rio`s are available through the Parts Department. After they shoot you a price, you might want to check on Ebay with some of the Korean Resellers that advertise on there. I have bought a ton of Kia Rio5 OEM factory Accessories for a fraction of the cost at the U.S. Kia Dealers, including the cost of Air Postage shipping parts, from Korea and arriving in 7 to 10 days with no problems at all. I know you seldom have a tire side wall blow out, (but) I personally don`t want to wait hours for a Tow Truck hauling me away whether or not Kia Road Service pays for it or AAA. Its just a aggravation I would rather avoid.
  • skeptic101skeptic101 Posts: 29
    The readers on here might be interested in this Edmunds article on real world MPG.

    http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/heres-why-real-world-mpg-doesnt-match-epa-ra- tings.html

    I claimed earlier that the EPA used E-10 gas for their tests, but this article says they use E-0. Since I use E-15 through Kansas occasionally I can attest that the amount of alcohol in the gas makes a big difference in MPG. Not mentioned in the article is that most modern automatics slowly adjust shift points based on the driver's driving style. The factories set the delivered shift points for optimal MPG over the EPA's Highway, City and Combined test "routes". Most people don't duplicate that same route in their daily drives and probably don't duplicate the EPA's "driver" action either (it's a computer). Since the manufacturers know the EPA's exact test "route", in addition to shift points they are also able to program the car's camshaft timing for optimal MPG over the test routes and, in the case of the Accent/Rio twins, include a driver controlled switch (ECO) that makes the transmission upshift sooner and smooths out the car's accelerator action (it's all controlled by the car's computer). The point of all this is that the "ringer" here is the car. Since I drive more gently than most drivers, I've been able to exceed the EPA's estimates with every car I have owned. My neighbor's smart alec kid told me if I drove any slower they would give me a parking ticket (ha ha). Using our car's trip computers I can susally beat my wife's mileage by about 20%. At 7k I'm now averaging 35 MPG using the Rio's trip computer (probably 75% rural, 25% city). That beats the heck out of my old PT Cruiser's 25 MPG average over the same mixed roads. I haven't compared the GPS's computed MPG with the Rio's trip computer, but the Rio's trip odometer is off by only 1% higher with its new tires inflated to 35 PSI. I love the Rio's looks, value and practicality, but I miss my old Cruiser.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Well, like I posted before, it was nice on Kia`s part to finally (include) the Active-Eco feature now added to its Kia Rio`s in their "LX" Models for the 2013 Run since they (did not) in the 2012 Model Year. I`m not too surprised that they were more interested in saving a few bucks where they could. Same thing both Hyundai and KIa did by replacing the Emergency Spare Tire and Jack Assembly in the Trunk with a mini air-compressor and can of tire sealant goo. I know they claim it was to save weight to improve Fuel Economy. Odd that in Canada, their vehicles still get the traditional spare tire (donut) set up. Must be Canadians aren`t much concerned with their gas mileage, eh? The weight issue is ridiculous anyway, a Bag of groceries in the trunk and a case of Beer would also have the same (drastic effect). In Australia, the Kia Rio`s comes with a "Full Size" Spare Tire"! Car manufacturers market cars and equip them depending on the Market they are being sold in and the demand that most Buyers insist on. Americans, as usual, just go along with whatever the Auto Manufacturers decide , smile, and gleefully drive their new car home. Even in Canada, their food items are made differently then here in the U.S. Pick up a package of Cookies, or other baked products. On the label if it says Chocolate, it contains Chocolate. In the U.S. the same product will state, "Chocolate Flavored" and reading the fine print you will always read that the product contains Chocolate Flavoring using "artificial" Chocolate Flavoring, (not) real Chocolate. The Ethanol infusion of a minimum of 10% added to Gasoline in most parts of the Country is just an excuse to continue giant subsides to Big Agriculture to keep the price of Corn high regardless of growing conditions and the size of the crop. If the Goverment were truly concerned with being energy independent and reducing pollution, converting all motor vehicles to Natural Gas (Propane) which the U.S. and Canada have an endless supply would have happened years ago.
  • skeptic101skeptic101 Posts: 29
    The belief that the Canadian Rio has a temporary spare is not true. They are equipped with the 12v inflator and tire sealant like the US models. GM is also doing this. Additionally, the Active ECO switch is not standard on the 2013 LX. It remains an option just like the 2012 LX. However, the 2013 LX does now have an armrest.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    edited July 2012
    Skeptic101; Absolutely wrong on (2) issues and partially wrong on the (3rd). First, the 2012 Kia Rio LX even ordering it with the optional "Power Package", PW/PL/ and Remote Key Fob, which I have, (did not) have the Active Eco either as standard equipment or as an option, period! It is now available on the 2013 Kia Rio5 in the LX Trim if ordered with the automatic transmission as standard (this) year. The Center Console with Armrest and Storage Box is (not) available in the 2013 Kia Rio5 "LX" either as Standard equipment nor is it available as an option, period! You may be confusing U.S. Spec Kia Rio5`s and Canadian Spec Kia Rio5`s! Lastly, true, not all Kia`s or Hyundai`s come with the spare tire and jack in Canada. It all depends on the Model and Trim level. Even the stripped down Canadian Kia Rio5 LX base model without a/c has the center console with armrest and storage box (and) fog lights. U.S. and Canada get two very different vehicles.
  • skeptic101skeptic101 Posts: 29
    Just going by information from Kia. Content of the LX Power Package includes power windows, power door locks, remote and "Active ECO System". Canadian Rio's standard equipment (all models) includes "Tire Mobility Kit". I heard (just rumor) the dealers will be getting a compact spare wheel, tire and jack kit they can order or stock. I gave some bad information on the arm rest. It is still not available on the US LX, just the Canadian. BTW, AutoGuide.com got 37 MPG on their road test. MPGomatic.com got 34 combined, 43 Interstate.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    edited July 2012
    skeptic101: All 2013 Kia Rio`s and Rio5`s in "LX" Trim now come with the Active-Eco regardless if the car is equipped with the optional Power Package or not. I was at my local Kia Dealership Friday and I can confirm that I saw several Base Model LX`s with crank up windows and no power door locks and they all had the Active Eco. As I posted earlier, I solved the issue of the Armrest with Storage Box in the Center Console for my "LX"by having all (9) pieces that compose the necessary parts plus the needed hardware which I purchased from an Ebay Seller who shipped everything to me Air Freight from Korea for only $190, a fraction of what these individual parts would have costed purchased at any Kia Dealer here in the U.S. They were all genuine OEM Kia Parts made by MOBIS, the parts manufacturer for both Kia and Hyundai. Its a bit of a tricky installation but if one is a skilled DIYS individual and have the necessary tools,you could perhaps avoid the Dealership install. I chose having my Kia Dealers service department do it for me at the cost of 1 hours labor. In regards to the (missing) spare tire and jack, when they do become available as an after market kit from your Kia Dealer, it will cost several hundred dollars. Again, visit a local Junk Yard (or) simply go once again, back on Ebay Motors (parts) and type in the spare tire size (donut) and jack assembly your looking for and you can get everything, likely brand new or even new and never been used for about $100. All 2006 thru 2008 Kia Rio`s had 15`` wheels and tires and I`m sure other years had them as well. If you happen to have the 2012 or 2013 Kia "SX" with the 17`` wheels, it may be a bit more difficult or perhaps impossible to find these from an older model Kia Rio`s because this (might) be the first year that Kia put 17`` wheels and tires on any of its Rio`s. Funny, that Kia Canada has even the Fog Lights and Armrest with storage box center console on there lowest trim model "LX" that has no A/C. When you move up to a Canadian Spec "LX+", you get the A/C PW,PL, Remote Key Fob, etc. Check Kia Canada web site and see how their Kia`s are configured differently then U.S. Kia`s and even have different colors to choose from. One edge for me is that in the U.S. Kia offers (beige) cloth interior, which I prefer, especially depending on the exterior paint color. In Canada, only (black) is available. Also, since Canadian Law requires (all) vehicle to have DRL`s, daytime running lights, the LX, LX+, both have the non-LED DRL`s in their head lamp cluster. In the U.S. they only put them on the "SX" with LED illumination. Hyundai on the other hand puts non-led`s DRL`s on all their Sonata and Elantra`s but failed to put them on their Accents. Go figure?
  • skeptic101skeptic101 Posts: 29
    The Active ECO System is available as a stand alone option on the 2013 LX but it's still listed as an option. With what you've seen on your dealer's lot it makes me wonder if it is now a "mandatory option". In other words, Kia is adding it to every car they ship to address complaints of low MPG, but is listing it as an option on the LX to keep the advertised price low. Lots of manufacturers do that kind of stuff.

    This has nothing to do with MPG, but I've read that the only difference on the non-LED DRLs is a jumper added to a circuit board during manufacture of the Canadian bound cars.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    On the MSRP of (3) of the 2013 Base Model Rio5 (LX), there was no add on or listed mention of a (mandatory) option of Active Eco. Kia originally planned to include the Active-Eco as standard equipment only on the LX ordered with the optional Power Package. They obviously changed there mind and its now included even in the base stripped down models too. The only add on option listed with these (3) 2013 Kia Rio5`s was the optional floor mats adding $95 to the MSRP, other then the freight/delivery charge always listed at the bottom of the sticker. I would like to have the DRL`s added to my American Spec Kia but the dealer does not have any listing for either the module or the necessary circuit board that might be needed. I might check with a Kia Dealer next time I`m in Montreal and have them look up what might be needed in their Canadian Parts system, bit I suspect that it would not be a simple plug in installation. I have seen after market universal DRL Kits on the Web but I would`nt chance having one installed and have it blamed for damaging the electrical system and possibly voiding my new car warranty. On my 2011 Ford Fiesta (U.S.) spec vehicle, the Ford Dealer was able to activate the DRL`s using the smart junction box and the IDS Programmer which took about 10 minutes.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Perhaps your confusing the optional "ECO" Package that includes the Active Eco (plus) Stop and Go Technology with the just the standard Active Eco which (now) comes on all Kia Rio`s regardless of Trim Level at no extra cost (including) the "LX". The "ECO" Package now available for 2013 is an option (only) available on the "EX" Trim Models exclusively.
  • skeptic101skeptic101 Posts: 29
    You're talking about the Idle Stop and Go (ISG). No confusion, the Kia web site lists the Active ECO System as a stand alone option or included in the Power Package for the 2013 LX. They've obviously made a running change.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Obviously! Lets see if they also make a change in the future and offer a "stand alone option" of adding the Armrest with Storage Box to the Center Console on the "LX" Model or offering the Daytime Running Lights (DRL`s) as an option choice like Chrysler has done for years on its entire fleet of vehicles.
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    Put 5300 miles on this in the first two months, so there's several long trips. Actual mileage-- approximately 2 mpg less than trip computer.

    Average 31.57 mpg
    Worst 21.66
    Best 37.99
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Without trying to stir up a hornets nest of ire, I have just over 7000 miles on my 2012 Kia Rio5 LX with automatic transmission. I feel by now that the engine should be "broken in". I get a consistent 27 mpg city and 33 mpg highway. For a Sub Compact B-Segment Vehicle, sorry its not acceptable, period. Still think the car is attractive, comfortable, and affordable (to purchase). One usually purchases this size vehicle expecting superior fuel economy and the 2012-2013 Kia Rio fails that test! Active "ECO", what a hoot!
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited September 2012
    It's been my experience that many people confuse mixed mileage (33 mpg EPA) with Highway. If you fill up adjacent to the Interstate, drive X number of miles on the Interstate, exit and immediately fill up the tank, that's highway driving. But most people don't spend 100% of their time on the highway.

    For example, if you drive 10 miles to the highway, stay on the interstate for 40 miles, and then drive another 10 miles of stop and go to your destination, that is NOT highway mileage. That is mixed mileage as in 40 highway and 20 miles of stop & go driving.

    With my 2012 Rio 5 SX, I'm consistently getting the following results:

    City Only: 24-25 mpg
    Highway Only: 37-38 mpg
    Mixed: 31-32 mpg
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    I know we have had this discussion before and I understand exactly what your point is. That said, perhaps if I drove at a steady speed of 55 mph on the Florida Turnpike or I95 I could improve my "highway" mpg average by a few mpg. I`d rather not get run off the road though when everyone else is driving between 75 and 80 mph. I for the life of me still cant rationalize why my other vehicle, my 2011 Ford Fiesta with the same i.6 ltr 4 cyl engine (without) GDI gets 33-35 mpg city and 41-43 mpg highway no matter how I drive or what speed I`m doing and with the air conditioning always on? They are (both) Sub Compact B-Segment vehicles and should achieve "similar" fuel economy. Their size and weight is comparable, why not their fuel economy? If your satisfied with 24-25 mpg "City Only", I have nothing else to contribute! You would get the same or better with a Kia Forte or Kia Optima! Something is very wrong with the average typical fuel economy (most) 2012-2013 Kia Rio owners are experiencing. I don`t know how many other owners you have spoken to, but I have approached over a half dozen in shopping center parking lots as well as at my Kia Dealership and they all report, "They love the car, but are (very) disappointed with the fuel economy both city, highway, or combined. Time for Kia and (Hyundai) to go back to the drawing board and figure out what they need to do to make a fuel efficient sub-compact B-segment Car.
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited September 2012
    People are mesmerized by that 40 mpg marketing blitz and actually expect to see that so I think that's why they're disappointed. Let me make a few quick points.

    1. The RIO is a fantastic economy car, I think it's best in class. I love my car.
    2. Yes I am disappointed with city mileage. I didn't expect 30 but I figured 27 mpg would be nice.
    3. I'm very pleased with my mixed mileage which is close to the 33 mpg EPA rating.
    4. I'm OK with my 37-38 highway mpg results. But next month I'm going on a 1,400 mile journey (round trip) which will be all highway and I'm eager to see my mileage results.
    5. EPA tests are not conducted in the real world. Did you know they're done in a lab? Anyone who expects to match their ratings is setting themselves up for disappointment.

    As I've stated several times in the past, almost nobody spends 100% of their driving time on the highway. And that's the one and only time a driver can expect to come close to or match that 40 mpg figure as some have per other forums. Most of us combine stop and go with highway so our real world target is the 33 mpg mixed rating. I'm consistently getting between 31-32 mpg so I'm pleased because I never expected to match the 33 mpg EPA number.
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    I should mention that I grew up in a major northeast city so being in a rush is part of my DNA. As a result, when the light turns green I always accelerate briskly. On the interstate, I drive around 75 mph. However, the RIO engine is so silky smooth on the highway, that I'm often doing 80 mph and don't even realize until I check the speedometer.

    Therefore, keep my driving habits in perspective when checking my mpg. Once again,

    City Only: 24-25 mpg
    Highway Only: 37-38 mpg
    Combined: 31-32 mpg
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    btatr: I knew full well I would get your predictable response to my Post. Like I stated before, I`m not attempting to alienate the "Love" affair you have with your Kia Rio. I merely (like) my car so my infatuation is a bit more reserved. I respect your opinion I as hope you respect mine. f your "mixed" driving MPG is sufficient for you, fine. You never addressed my 2 points though. First, why does my Ford Fiesta with a similar 1.6 ltr 4 cyl engine (without) GDI get 33-35 mpg city and 41-43 mpg highway consistently yet my Kia Rio gets no where near the same fuel economy under the same driving conditions? Secondly, do you take issue with my premise that a majority of Car buyers would expect a small sub-compact B-segment vehicle would get the same or (worse) gas mileage then a larger, more spacious and powerful Compact or Intermediate size car? No,matter how you would like to frame the argument that one should not expect EPA fuel economy figures to normally be reached,in that I do agree. However, explain if you will how Ford was apply to "surpass" the EPA fuel economy estimates with its Fiesta? The fact is, Kia dropped the ball in regards to its new 2012-2013 Kia Rio`s fuel economy. Yes, the engine and transmission is smooth and brisk, the vehicle is stylish and comfortable, priced right too, but when my old 2006 Kia Rio5 with a antiquated 1.6 ltr (non) GDI engine with a primitive 4 speed automatic transmission got the same or superior fuel economy, something is wrong. No amount of dwelling on the (average) mpg of "mixed" driving can change the above mentioned "facts",sorry. All the "Love" in the world cannot gloss over your dismal 24-25 mpg "city only" fuel economy for a Sub-Compact Car!
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited September 2012
    Before I respond let me say I think the Ford Fiesta is a terrific economy class car but it's a little short on horsepower, torque, and storage capacity. Overall, I think Ford did a terrific job. Oh by the way, it also falls short in terms of it's factory warranty versus KIA.

    Phil asked why there's such a difference between fuel economy in his Fiesta versus his RIO.

    I can't answer that question any more than I can figure out why Phil's RIO mpg is so different than mine and other people, who get even better mileage than me. The only possible guess is the fact that the Fiesta has less horsepower and torque than the RIO but the following paragraph adds far more confusion to his question.

    Phil said, "I get a consistent 27 mpg city and 33 mpg highway" with his RIO while my results are 25 mpg in the city and 37-38 mpg on the highway, possibly higher. I'll have a much better idea on that highway number after my 1,400 mile trip next month which will be all Interstate Driving. I suspect that I'll get close to 40 mpg but we'll see in October.

    My city mpg is less than Phil's but my highway mileage is much better. Why?
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