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2012 Kia Rio5: Real Time Fuel Economy (MPG).

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  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited January 2013
    I never believed those fairly tale EPA numbers, and except for city only driving mpg, I'm pleased with my highway only and combined driving results. As I've stated before, everything in life is relative. If you are someone who is obsessed with mpg above all else, then the RIO probably isn't your kind of vehicle.

    However, if you want a wide array of terrific features, which I described in my previous post, and enjoy driving this fabulous car for so many reasons, you'll be a much happier person. It's no secret that I love my RIO SX 5 door as I don't allow my disappointment with city only mileage to ruin an incredibly fun experience when I'm behind the wheel of my nimble SX.

    I choose to concentrate on that long list of features which makes this is such a fabulous car for the money. I learned that lesson a long time ago, don't dwell on the negatives in your life, concentrate on all of the positives and you will feel so much better.

    And best of all guys, I'm always afraid to say this, but I haven't had one single problem with my RIO SX in 13 months. My girlfriend's KIA Forte SX had one minor trim related issue in two years. Wow! That's what I'm talking about!
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    In order to keep the peace and not break my 2013 resolution that I would not continue this ridiculous banter, I will let you have the (Last) word, indeed. Odd that you refer to the EPA and its "fairtytale" Fuel Estimates. Guess my Ford Fiesta with its 1.6 ltr (non-GDI) engine and its clunky erky/jerky 6 speed automatic transmission, low H.P. and Torque must be a "Pixie". 33/35 mpg city and 41/43 mpg highway from day one with A/C engaged constantly. Not that`s what (I`m) talking bout! Happy New Year and may your love affair with your Kia Rio5 SX last a lifetime or until you trade it in, (till death do you part) as they say, lol.
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited January 2013
    When buying a new car ask yourself what's important. If you are like some of the negative thinking members in this forum who are literally obsessed with MPG and don't appreciate the wide array of outstanding extras packed with this vehicle, look elsewhere. However, if you want very good gas mileage plus a bevy of nifty features at an excellent price, then the RIO SX is your car. I literally love driving my SX, I can't wait to get behind the wheel every day of the week.

    Here's a partial listing of the great features on the SX:

    LED lighting on the front, rear, and side mirrors

    Sleek, aerodynamic look and check out those nifty wheels

    UVO, Jukebox, backup camera, folding outside mirrors

    Lots of room for a car in this class and excellent comfort on long trips

    It's not a sports car but it has tight, nimble handling plus brisk acceleration

    A long list of safety features packaged with the best warranty in the industry

    Outstanding workmanship and reliability
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    In the interest of "Full" public disclosure, you forgot to mention in addition to the long list of fabulous features on your 2012 Kia Rio5 "SX", this unabashed endorsement brought to you courtesy of Kia Motors America, Irvine, CA Seriously, if your not a (paid) shill for Kia, you should be. Such "religious" devotion! Period, case closed. Cheers I`ve never know even Audi or BMW Owners that shared you enthusiasm for their vehicles, really....Honest , I promise, not another comment from me in this Forum on this topic, EVER!
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    Phil failed to live up to his promise to give me the last word.
    Phill1 wrote the following about me, "if your not a (paid) shill for Kia, you should be."

    I'm really tired of his personal insults and inability to debate the issues around KIA RIOs and avoid personal attacks. If Phill1 cannot stay on the subject of KIA RIOs, may I suggest he go to another forum where he can insult somebody else.

    I love my RIO for the reasons cited in previous posts and couldn't care less what Phill1 thinks. Please read what I wrote earlier and decide for yourself what is important when making a decision to buy a new car. I think focusing solely on mpg is very short sighted and narrow minded, but that's my point of view.

    If you understand how much you get for your money with the RIO SX, you might decide to give it a test drive. See if you like it as much as I do, as well as everyone who rides in it. Everyone who rides in my car showers it with praise. I can't say that about my old 2002 Ford Focus which was very dependable but way short on features and functionality.

    Please note that I have a 2012 RIO SX model which I've mentioned a million times. I have no opinion whatsoever on the EX model because I have no experience with it. Everything I say is based solely on my car.
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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,749
    Just completed my first trip in my new Rio5 LX AT that was over ~12 miles. With 290 miles on the odo to start out, drove 81 miles each way to my destination and a little in town (heavy traffic) for a total of 165.5 miles. Temps were mid-70s to low 80s, AC was on 3/4 of the time, and had heavy rain for about 25% of the trip. Rolling terrain, 65 mph limit on most of the highway portion. I tried to stick to the limit, but drove a few mph over sometimes (no cruise control on the LX).

    Overall FE was 38.1 mpg, which broke down as follows: 38.5 mpg highway to destination (AC on half the time, but rain half the time), then two days of a little in-town driving in rush hours, which brought FE down to 36.4. Then averaged 39.6 mpg on the return trip (AC on all the time). I think the return trip had more downhill than the outbound leg. It also had a few slowdowns for construction.

    So I'm happy with these early results. I suspect that when the engine has more miles on it, I'll be able to get a bit better numbers. FWIW, before the trip I was averaging 33 mpg on all in-town driving, short trips, with mix of city and urban freeway driving. Also not too bad for a new engine I think.

    Also, I found the car to be pleasant on the highway... fairly quiet for a small car (low revs help there), and a pretty smooth ride over some pretty beat up highway pavement. Tracks well. AC works well. Enjoyed Sirius. Wouldn't mind having cruise, but I got the car knowing I wouldn't be taking it on too many long trips.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Backy: Congratulations on your new Kia Rio LX and the exceptional fuel economy your getting. Unlike 99% of the rest of us Kia Rio owners of 2012 and 2013 Models, we instead have Kia Pre-Paid Credit Cards to compensate us for our lower numbers. My 2012 Kia Rio5 LX with the 6 speed automatic transmission gets around 23 -25 mpg city and between 31-33 mpg highway and I have just over 13K miles driven. Who knows, when your brand new Rio is fully broken in, you might get better gas mileage then a hybrid! Bet Kia would like to buy that Vehicle back from you at twice what you paid for it so they could send it over to the EPA and use it to re-certify and update improved Fuel Economy estimates. They had to change and re-label all their vehicle downward and (now) they might be able to re-label again showing vastly improved numbers.
    PS I really don`t miss the Cruise Control since I hardly have a chance to use it even on the highways here due to constant traffic. I (did) miss not having the Armrest with Storage Console though. I had to purchase all the separate parts individually since Kia does`nt sell a complete Unit. It would have cost a fortune if I bought them at the Dealer but I got them on Ebay from a Seller in Korea for a very low cost and they were all genuine OEM Kia Components.
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    Backy, congratulations on your new purchase, I'm sure you'll fall in love with your new car.

    I have a 2012 RIO 5 SX and it's a fantastic vehicle. It is sleek, aerodynamic, comfortable, handles well, and the engine is silky smooth on the Interstate. On numerous occasions, I was doing 80 MPH on the Interstate, and because the engine is so smooth, I didn't even realize it. I'm assuming you have the same 1.6L engine in your LX model.

    Good to see your excellent fuel economy numbers, but always remember, that's only one component out of many when analyzing an automobile. Here's one I think you'll like. My 2012 SX has almost 15,000 miles in slightly less than 20 months and I haven't had a single mechanical problem. I have one minor issue inside the cabin, but other than that, I think this is a very impressive record on the part of KIA.

    My girlfriend and another male friend both have KIA Fortes for 2 1/2 years and neither one's had any mechanical issues in all that time.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,749
    I really don`t miss the Cruise Control since I hardly have a chance to use it even on the highways here due to constant traffic.

    No wonder you can't get over 33 mpg. In constant traffic, I'm sure I wouldn't get 38 mpg.

    If Kia wants to buy my Rio back from me for twice what I paid for it, I'm all for that. But I doubt they will. If they did, they wouldn't find anything special about it. It's all about how/where/when the car is driven. "YMMV".
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Your correct. Thats exactly why both Kia and Hyundai had to re-label (downward) their EPA estimates, right? Oh, and the reason that HKAG both here in the U.S. and Canada issued Pre-loaded Credit Cards as compensation for disappointing fuel economy experienced by a majority of it buyers was done because..? Odd too that my 2011 Ford Fiesta SE Hatchback, a similar size vehicle with a 6 speed automatic transmission and a 1.6 ltr engine (without) GDI gets 33-35 mpg city and 41-43 mpg highway. Same type of driving conditions experienced with (both) Cars. Thanks for your thoughtful analysis explaining how/where/when the Car is driven. "YMMV"
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,749
    Did you have some new mpg results to report, or do you just like complaining about the same old stuff? It gets a little old after the 15th time. :sick:
  • skeptic101skeptic101 Posts: 29
    I'm getting around 37 mpg this summer with A/C on ~ 90%, mostly rural driving (45-55 mph). Still averaging 40 mpg on Interstate but I rarely exceed 60 mph with cruise mostly on. Mine's a 2012 EX. My brother-in-law loved mine but always has to do me one better so he bought a 2013 SX. While he doesn't keep track of his mpg (that he admits to anyway), he says his fuel bill has dropped to half of what it was with the Ford Fusion he traded. That's a big deal to him since his daily commute is 50 miles each way, mostly highway. Love the rear camera and DRLs on his SX. I'm very happy with the mpg I'm getting. :)
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    Skeptic, what are DRLs?
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    For the "15th" time, they are known as Daytime Running Lights. Most Europeans and all Canadian vehicles are required by law to have them.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,749
    The lowly Rio5 LX doesn't have DRLs. :( But starting with the 2001 Elantra I bought new in October 2000, I learned how to mimic DRLs: just leave the low beams on all the time. The Rio and most (all?) other Kias and Hyundais have auto-shutoff headlights. It was funny when I first discovered this feature on the 2001 Elantra. I was surprised that there was no chime to remind me to turn off the lights. Then I realized why there was no chime. :)
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    Per Wikipedia:

    "A daytime running lamp (DRL, also daylight running lamp or daytime running light) is an automotive lighting device on the front of a road going motor vehicle, installed in pairs, AUTOMATICALLY switched on when the vehicle is moving forward...."

    I have LED lights on the front and rear of my vehicle but they do not come on automatically, I have to manually turn them on. Therefore they do not meet the Wiki definition of DRLs.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Hyundai puts DRL`s on its Sonata, and Elantra`s now as well as its Azera, Genisis, and Equus. They are (not) LED`s, simply uses either the low beam or high beam headlamps at 80% reduced illumination.
  • skeptic101skeptic101 Posts: 29
    Daytime Running Lights (DRL). They burn when the headlights are off to make the car more noticeable in poor visibility conditions. The SX is equipped with LED DRLs just below the headlights where the "marker lamps" are on the LX and EX.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    On Canadian 2012-2013 Kia Rio and Rio5 LX and EX Models, the DRL`s are a separate lamp located next to the Parking Light Lamp below the regular Headlamp. If you look carefully on U.S. Spec Kia Rio`s you will notice an empty hole where the DRL Lamp would be on Canadian LX and EX Vehicles. Also, bottom of the line LX Kia Rio`s in Canada have Fog Lights and Armrest with Storage Box like U.S. Spec EX and SX models get standard.
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited July 2013
    Skeptic, after your excellent explanation, I double checked the location you were talking about to confirm they do not come on in the US RIO SX model. As I stated previously in this thread, despite what some forum members claim, my SX model is not equipped with DRLs.

    Thanks for the explanation.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Skeptic, unfortunately, "btatr" is INCORRECT! U.S. Spec Kia Rio5`s in SX Trim (do) in fact have Daytime Running Lights. It is the only Kia Rio U.S. Model that has them as the LX and the EX do not. They happen to be "LED" DRL`s, not the conventional ones that work off the regular Headlamps at reduced intensity. I hope (my) explanation was equally excellent.
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited July 2013
    I know Phil enjoyed stating I was incorrect in capital letters but there are no lights on my front end during daylight driving. Maybe they are technically described as DRLs, but what's the significance of that terminology if no lights are actually on?

    During the day, my car was parked in complete shade, the engine was running, and I manually turned the lights on and off. When the lights were off there was absolutely nothing lit up on the front of my car. Who knows? Maybe the computer knows when the car is stationary versus in motion?

    I'm going to check again after dark. But even if lights automatically come on at night, I don't think that would legitimately be classified as daylight running lights.
  • skeptic101skeptic101 Posts: 29
    What I know is that my brother-in-law's Rio5 SX has LED DRLs, as does every other Rio5 SX I've seen on the road. They come on automatically and stay on until the automatic headlights come on, then they dim. My Rio5 EX has in incandescent lamp under the headlights that Kia calls a "position lamp". We used to call them parking lights. It is described in my manual as a P21/5 which is a dual filament 21 watt / 5 watt bulb (GE 1157). I'm assuming the 21 watt filament becomes an incandescent DRL in those countries that require them. I would love to look at the back of this socket to see if I could somehow use the bright half of the bulb as a DRL (using an aftermarket DRL control), however, the manual recommends removal of the bumper cover for access. It isn't that important.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    edited July 2013
    Perhaps if you looked at your Owners manual or the Literature of the features that the SX model comes with as Standard equipment you will see that under the regular Headlamps on the SX Model are LED`s that are the DRL`s or Daytime Running Lights and the (only) U.S. Spec KIa Rio`s that have DRL`s. The Owners manual may have a description how to deactivate or shut them off if so desired here in the U.S. where they are (not) mandated by law like in Canada. If you can`t figure out how to "activate/enable" the LED DRL`s on your "SX" should you desire to have that feature, perhaps its time to bring your Vehicle into a Kia Dealership`s Service Department and have a Technician trouble shoot the problem. Problem? Issues? Some say that Daytime Running Lights uses energy and power drain and might fractionally cause a reduction in Fuel Economy that may result in loss of .08 MPG. Better factor that in before you desire to have the DRL`s enabled. The Kia Sportage in SX Trim also has the LED DRL`s and they are on automatically as well during the Daytime too.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    If you examine carefully the Headlamp Cluster carefully on your U.S. Spec Kia Rio LX or EX, you will find an empty hole socket next to the Parking Lamp you described as 21 watt/5 watt bulb (GE1157). It (may) be the spot when the Position Light or DRL Lamp Bulb goes in Canadians and other market Vehicles where DRL`s come as standard equipment. Not only would you need perhaps to have the Lamp Assembly installed but the Wiring and the DRL Module as well assuming that its not incorporated in the Vehicles BCM, or Body Control Module which controls features like the Automatic Door Locking feature. All Ford U.S. vehicles , even U.S. Spec ones can have the DRL`s enabled/activated simply by having a Technician access the BCM using an IDS Programmer and the Cars "smart junction box". I would`nt install an after market non-Kia OEM DRL Module because if something in the Electrical system failed, they might blame the after market accessory and Void your Factory Warranty an claim it caused the problem.
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited July 2013
    Thanks for the advice skpetic and I have 2 comments.

    1. I double checked the lights last night in the dark, and just as I reported previously, there are no lights on in the front of my car unless I manually turn them on.

    2. This is not an issue for me because if and when I do need the LED running lights, a flick of the switch on my steering wheel lever turns them on. I have no desire nor need for them while driving in sunny weather, so I'm happy. In fact, I prefer it this way.

    Mystery Resolved


    I checked the owner's manual and instead of manually turning on the LED lights as I always do, there's an AUTO option on the steering wheel lever which will automatically turn on the LED and headlights, but only in low light (per the manual).
  • skeptic101skeptic101 Posts: 29
    I did as you suggested and there is not an additional hole in mine, or even a knockout as best as I can tell. Using a magnifying glass I was able to tell that the existing bulb is a dual filament 1157 type. Wiring for all the lamps comes from a connector on the back of the housing. There are 6 wires from the loom to the connector so I am guessing one of those is for the DRL (low, high, park, turn, DRL and ground?). I'll leave it to someone else to find the DRL wire, cut it and connect it to an aftermarket DRL control. Of course, none of this has anything to do with MPG. Sorry I brought it up.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    Just so you know, DRL (at least in Cda) use the high beam filament at reduced voltage when activated. Activation happens once you move gear selector out of Park and into Drive and move a few feet.

    I'm glad you did post, cuz I found out that one of my favourite bulbs is still used for park and directional lighting...the infamous 1157. And in a brand new car. I'm impressed with Kia for doing this. There was never a valid reason to replace that great little bulb with the slip in type except to make them more money when replacement becomes necessary. I abhor change for the sake of change and light bulbs are always on the hit list with mfgrs.
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    not sure on the Rio but my Canadian Soul DRL's operates as you say using the high beam bulb at reduced voltage, however, the DRL's come on as soon as you start the car in PARK position, if you pull on the handbrake the DRL's go off.
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    they have been used on Canadian vehicles since 1991
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