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2012 Kia Rio5: Real Time Fuel Economy (MPG).

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  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    Starting yesterday evening and finishing this morning, I too have read this entire thread. And I agree, randall12. IMO, few other threads have covered so many details that allows a reader to interpret what their mpg will be if they buy this Rio5. Each reader knows their particular driving style and area. There is city...(with a population of 30 or 40000) and relatively spread out infrastructure...and then there is CITY, with 7 or 8 million plus and due to the congestion, more and more lanes crowded into less and less real estate. This creates more and more streetlights. Streetlights create more 0 mpg stats than even crawling speeds on those crowded freeways.

    Then..we have 'highway' areas, that..again..are spread out with lots of room and relatively few streetlights between 'towns' and then we have HIGHWAY...as in rural settings, whereby going to town on a rural two-lane road and the total number of stops you make from the time you back out of your driveway to get to that highway is 3. (as an example) This type of area is highway, and is a more relaxed highway drive (usually) and while there will be the odd slowdown for others making a left in front of you, or even a possible pass (which really sucks the avg mpg down...even ONE relatively aggressive pass on a 40 mile one way trip) it at least doesn't have the higher more aggressive speeds that a freeway has. The freeway, once out in the open, may not have the slowdowns or stops, but those higher speeds does suck more fuel mile in and mile out due to wind resistance etc.There are literally tons of variables, and I think this thread has been able to allow a relatively astute reader a fairly good and accurate idea how to interpret what hi or her mpg will be with this car. The only thing that wasn't covered though was sub-zero temp driving and the huge impact that and short trips has on overall averages.

    Phil, if you see this, please reply with a link to where you chat more about the Fiesta and its jerky shifting dual clutch auto. While I have been boycotting Ford for the last 20 plus years, I have to now admit I need to at least rule out the Fiesta. I have huge reservations about (all) dual-clutch transmissions. I do not care about jerkiness in the lower gears. What I do care about is their potential longevity and their ability to perform in extreme cold temps (I have similar reservations about CVT's in that regard too) and the cost to replace clutch packs, or solenoids or deal with failed wiring connections or circuit boards/chips for the many micro-processors involved to make such a trans work. I know we can't chat about it here but just send me in the right direction and I would like to ask your opinion in further detail as I suspect you may know a fair bit about these dual clutch systems that Ford uses.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Out of fear of being banned for life, stones and beheaded, I make this Post (strictly) in Reply to the inquiry of gimmestdtranny, (only). As I`m sure you realize, Kia has (now) reduced its fraudulent EPA Fuel Estimates regarding its 2012-2013 Kia Rio and Rio5 vehicles by "4" MPG Highway ratings of 40 mpg are (now) listed at 36 mpg, and city #`s have been reduced as well Oh My! The question you presented in wanting more information in regards to (my) experience of my 2011 Ford Fiesta SE hatchback with its 1.6 lte (non) GDI engine coupled with its dual clutch 6 speed automatic transmission is based solely on (my) experience. I pre-ordered my Fiesta including Sun Roof in Mar of 2010 and took delivery July 20, 2010. I have driven it almost 30 months and have 27K mileage. Even considering my vehicle was a early production model, I have had "ZERO" issue`s whatsoever, period. This car has (never) produced less then 33/35 mpg in heavy stop and go city driving with the A/C engaged all the time here in South FL. Highway fuel economy at speeds of 75 mph + maintain at between 41-43 mpg, always! The jerky, clunky occasional movement that happens once in a while (only) at low speeds, to (me) is a small price to pay for this hybrid quality fuel economy. I can`t speak for Cold Weather issues with the Ford Fiesta since neither I nor my Car travel North of Central FL. Getting back to my 2012 Kia Rio5, I still enjoy the Car, very comfortable, plenty of power, excellent handling, great braking, good looks, lousy fuel economy, period, especially for a small car in the B-Segment/Sub Compact field.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    Ok thanks, I'll try to find some more detailed specific feedback regarding potential longevity issues/costs on some Fiesta threads. There must be some that touch on this here on Edmunds.

    FWIW, I don't mind occasional clunky, as long as it has longevity potential. Aside from possible other better gearing/tuning, one of the reasons the Fiesta is getting those very impressive numbers (mpg-wise) is that apparently the dual clutch auto has no more parasitic losses than a manual....save perhaps the initial launch to movement in 1st from a stop. There must still be a torquer converter of sorts. Hydraulics, while having more parasitic losses through their very nature of design, have certainly proven themselves in terms of relative longevity potential. (Not counting the ones that are known to be problematic of course).
    These dual-clutch units however don't have the same number of miles under their belt to prove their potential.

    Which just occurred to me...I should probably try to search for my questions on a European Fiesta forum since this tech has been used there before here in America. (not counting farm tractors) The only stories (horror type) I have read so far were of certain VW units, that had failed servos etc and instead of replacing a single part, were engineered to have to have the entire pack-part replaced and costs were north of $5k. :( Sorta like having to buy a whole new circuit board for your TV, when really the only component that failed was a $3.27 capacitor..
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Well, exactly how long do you plan on keeping this Ford Fiesta if you (do) purchase it? If its going to be a "till death do you part" purchase, perhaps more research would be prudent. I usually keep my (2) vehicles for between 6 and 7 years. All my previous Hyundai and Kia purchases, I just ran out the factory 5 year and 60K Warranty and hoped for the best. I got stuck with my 2006 Kia Rio5 after the Warranty expired with a couple of several hundred dollar repairs for electronic module replacements, ( 2 different separate coils) that failed. One failed under warranty and was no cost. Unlike the "old days" where there was (one), if you have a 4 cyl engine, your now have (4). If you decide on a Ford Fiesta and plan to keep it forever, I`d suggest purchasing "online" from a Ford Internet reseller an extended Ford Extended Warranty Plan, "ESP" They are deeply discounted, honored by Ford anywhere in the US and Canada Dealerships, you can choose a zero, $50 or $100 deductible and your worries are over for as many years and miles as you want to purchase. They will even pro-rate and refund funds for un-used time and milage if you decide to sell or trade the Car before the warranty expires. ONLY if you have the misfortune of having your Ford vehicle registered in the State of Florida must you pay full MSRP and not shop for a heavily discounted rate. I must confess, I do like my Fiesta but all in all, if its fuel economy was not so pitiful with the 2012-2013 Kia Rio5, I prefer the new Rio for comfort, performance, looks, and its warranty. That said, I have been a loyal Ford buyer for years and being a Shareholder, have bought them below invoice through Ford`s "X" Purchase Plan with zero Dealer Fees. Happy shopping.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    Thanks for idea of ESP. Usually I am a ney-sayer when it comes to having to pay for extended warranties. Except that recently I learned that unlike less than a decade ago, the need for an EW when buying a new TV is greater than ever now. I have had personal experience in a negative way with this one..Samsung..welcome to the boycott list for 'renting' me a TV. I say renting because the costs involved in only 3.5 years of ownership in order to repair a well known part failure capacitor that they decided they would not cover just for me :(

    My problem with deciding what new tech to go with, is directly related to my warranties (in recent past and predicted future) running out due to time, not miles/kms). One reason for this is miles ridden on the bike in summer months are miles not put on the car. In fact I usually ride more kms per year than I drive. It's about a 2/3rd ratio.
    That said, if I had an ultra low fuel user..(my new plan) I know I will drive more in the winter. I literally drive less due to fuel costs..and the fact that I don't like the comfort, noise, ride and quite a few other things about my present ride.

    So when it comes to dependability/reliability per $ spent, I need to decide what is long-term dependable/ $'s spent initially and over the life of ownership.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    I repeat, I (never) purchase EW. Televisions are too inexpensive and if you get 5 to 7 years out of a new LCD or LED Unit, one is ready for a new improved one anyway. I would (never) purchase an aftermarket Vehicle EW from anyone, other then the original manufacturer. I have had excellent experience with (4) prior Ford ESP Plans on different Ford vehicles. Like I stated earlier, as long as you don`t live or have your car registered in the State of Florida, several Ford Dealers on line offer huge discounted Plans. If you do purchase a Ford product and plan on keeping it beyond 3 years and 36K, its a no-brainer. Good luck!
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited January 2013
    My 5 door SX model is 13 months old. I'm afraid to say this, but I haven't had a single problem. FYI, my girlfriend has a 2011 KIA Forte SX with one minor problem in 2 years. You can't ask for more and it's great knowing if a problem ever pops up, we have the best warranty in the industry.

    I know there are some forum members who are obsessed with fuel economy, but for me, that's only one of several factors to consider when purchasing a vehicle. I'm going to update my latest fuel economy numbers at the end of this message, but for now, here's why I love my car.

    The RIO SX is very roomy, extremely comfortable, especially on long trips, it accelerates briskly, and has tight, nimble handling (not sports car handling). I love the LED lights in the front, rear, and on the side view mirrors (which fold in with the touch of a button). The car is sleek, aerodynamic, and constantly receives praise from others who come up to me and tell me how great it looks. I'm surprised to say that I'm addicted to my backup camera and UVO (Sirius Satellite Radio and the Jukebox).

    Latest fuel economy figures after I moved to a new state with different driving conditions.

    Highway Only: 36-37 mpg

    City Only: 24-25 mpg

    Combined Driving: 30-31 mpg
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    I know you were waiting for me to (bite) at you Post but its 2013 and as one of my New Years Resolutions I know I can keep, I will not engage in disputing your delight with 24-25 mpg City in a Vehicle, the smallest in Kia`s Fleet. How an intelligent person can simply dismiss dismal/terrible/poor fuel economy as just (One) of several factors that should be weighted in the consideration of purchasing a Sub-Compact/B-Segment Car. Hopefully Kia has reimbursed you handsomely with their Fuel Rebate Program in addition you you "Religious" devotion to their embarrassing gas guzzling Rio`s, that get basically the same Fuel Economy as their Full Size Optima. Happy New Year and Happy Motoring.
  • We have about 18k on the clock and we're averaging around 38 mpg in our mostly rural setting. That's 10 mpg better than the PT Cruiser it replaced so we're happy with the mileage. No problems at all and every thing is still tight. Surprisingly, those dinky little tires (EX) are showing no wear.

    Pros: Looks, mileage, rattle free, "glove" box that holds 13" laptop, price, warranty, one-touch turn signals.
    Cons: Cup holders, no DRL (EX), and, after 10 hours on the Interstate, electric steering and hard seats.

    For my gear head friends I like pointing out the direct injection, chain drive camshafts and sealed for life transmission.

    In spite of all the hullabaloo about the EPA mileage estimates, we're very happy with our mileage. :)
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    skeptic101: I guess averaging 38 mpg would be acceptable too me but I never get to 34 mpg especially driving at speeds of 70 -75 mph. You going from the PT Cruiser Gas Hog, the Kia looks relatively good, huh? You did fail to mention what your (city) mpg is. Mine is about 25-26. Odd that to cover the extra expense of having the best extended bumper to bumper warrantee in the business HKAK Group, Hyundia/Kia deleted the Daytime Running Lights from all of its Models with the exception of the fancy LED DRL`s on its SX line. Hyundai puts them on their entire fleet with the exception of the Accent while its Elantra and Sonata get them. If you look closely into your headlamp assembly you will see the extra hole where the (pilot/drl) lamp goes on Canadian and foreign market vehicles. I find the seats comfortable, I (do) like the electric steering and find its drivability to be very good. Too bad that with a state of the art 6 speed automatic transmission, a high tech 1.6 ltr engine with GDI and it can`t achieve respectable fuel economy for a car in its segment.
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited January 2013
    I never believed those fairly tale EPA numbers, and except for city only driving mpg, I'm pleased with my highway only and combined driving results. As I've stated before, everything in life is relative. If you are someone who is obsessed with mpg above all else, then the RIO probably isn't your kind of vehicle.

    However, if you want a wide array of terrific features, which I described in my previous post, and enjoy driving this fabulous car for so many reasons, you'll be a much happier person. It's no secret that I love my RIO SX 5 door as I don't allow my disappointment with city only mileage to ruin an incredibly fun experience when I'm behind the wheel of my nimble SX.

    I choose to concentrate on that long list of features which makes this is such a fabulous car for the money. I learned that lesson a long time ago, don't dwell on the negatives in your life, concentrate on all of the positives and you will feel so much better.

    And best of all guys, I'm always afraid to say this, but I haven't had one single problem with my RIO SX in 13 months. My girlfriend's KIA Forte SX had one minor trim related issue in two years. Wow! That's what I'm talking about!
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    In order to keep the peace and not break my 2013 resolution that I would not continue this ridiculous banter, I will let you have the (Last) word, indeed. Odd that you refer to the EPA and its "fairtytale" Fuel Estimates. Guess my Ford Fiesta with its 1.6 ltr (non-GDI) engine and its clunky erky/jerky 6 speed automatic transmission, low H.P. and Torque must be a "Pixie". 33/35 mpg city and 41/43 mpg highway from day one with A/C engaged constantly. Not that`s what (I`m) talking bout! Happy New Year and may your love affair with your Kia Rio5 SX last a lifetime or until you trade it in, (till death do you part) as they say, lol.
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    edited January 2013
    When buying a new car ask yourself what's important. If you are like some of the negative thinking members in this forum who are literally obsessed with MPG and don't appreciate the wide array of outstanding extras packed with this vehicle, look elsewhere. However, if you want very good gas mileage plus a bevy of nifty features at an excellent price, then the RIO SX is your car. I literally love driving my SX, I can't wait to get behind the wheel every day of the week.

    Here's a partial listing of the great features on the SX:

    LED lighting on the front, rear, and side mirrors

    Sleek, aerodynamic look and check out those nifty wheels

    UVO, Jukebox, backup camera, folding outside mirrors

    Lots of room for a car in this class and excellent comfort on long trips

    It's not a sports car but it has tight, nimble handling plus brisk acceleration

    A long list of safety features packaged with the best warranty in the industry

    Outstanding workmanship and reliability
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    In the interest of "Full" public disclosure, you forgot to mention in addition to the long list of fabulous features on your 2012 Kia Rio5 "SX", this unabashed endorsement brought to you courtesy of Kia Motors America, Irvine, CA Seriously, if your not a (paid) shill for Kia, you should be. Such "religious" devotion! Period, case closed. Cheers I`ve never know even Audi or BMW Owners that shared you enthusiasm for their vehicles, really....Honest , I promise, not another comment from me in this Forum on this topic, EVER!
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    Phil failed to live up to his promise to give me the last word.
    Phill1 wrote the following about me, "if your not a (paid) shill for Kia, you should be."

    I'm really tired of his personal insults and inability to debate the issues around KIA RIOs and avoid personal attacks. If Phill1 cannot stay on the subject of KIA RIOs, may I suggest he go to another forum where he can insult somebody else.

    I love my RIO for the reasons cited in previous posts and couldn't care less what Phill1 thinks. Please read what I wrote earlier and decide for yourself what is important when making a decision to buy a new car. I think focusing solely on mpg is very short sighted and narrow minded, but that's my point of view.

    If you understand how much you get for your money with the RIO SX, you might decide to give it a test drive. See if you like it as much as I do, as well as everyone who rides in it. Everyone who rides in my car showers it with praise. I can't say that about my old 2002 Ford Focus which was very dependable but way short on features and functionality.

    Please note that I have a 2012 RIO SX model which I've mentioned a million times. I have no opinion whatsoever on the EX model because I have no experience with it. Everything I say is based solely on my car.
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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Just completed my first trip in my new Rio5 LX AT that was over ~12 miles. With 290 miles on the odo to start out, drove 81 miles each way to my destination and a little in town (heavy traffic) for a total of 165.5 miles. Temps were mid-70s to low 80s, AC was on 3/4 of the time, and had heavy rain for about 25% of the trip. Rolling terrain, 65 mph limit on most of the highway portion. I tried to stick to the limit, but drove a few mph over sometimes (no cruise control on the LX).

    Overall FE was 38.1 mpg, which broke down as follows: 38.5 mpg highway to destination (AC on half the time, but rain half the time), then two days of a little in-town driving in rush hours, which brought FE down to 36.4. Then averaged 39.6 mpg on the return trip (AC on all the time). I think the return trip had more downhill than the outbound leg. It also had a few slowdowns for construction.

    So I'm happy with these early results. I suspect that when the engine has more miles on it, I'll be able to get a bit better numbers. FWIW, before the trip I was averaging 33 mpg on all in-town driving, short trips, with mix of city and urban freeway driving. Also not too bad for a new engine I think.

    Also, I found the car to be pleasant on the highway... fairly quiet for a small car (low revs help there), and a pretty smooth ride over some pretty beat up highway pavement. Tracks well. AC works well. Enjoyed Sirius. Wouldn't mind having cruise, but I got the car knowing I wouldn't be taking it on too many long trips.
  • phill1phill1 Posts: 315
    Backy: Congratulations on your new Kia Rio LX and the exceptional fuel economy your getting. Unlike 99% of the rest of us Kia Rio owners of 2012 and 2013 Models, we instead have Kia Pre-Paid Credit Cards to compensate us for our lower numbers. My 2012 Kia Rio5 LX with the 6 speed automatic transmission gets around 23 -25 mpg city and between 31-33 mpg highway and I have just over 13K miles driven. Who knows, when your brand new Rio is fully broken in, you might get better gas mileage then a hybrid! Bet Kia would like to buy that Vehicle back from you at twice what you paid for it so they could send it over to the EPA and use it to re-certify and update improved Fuel Economy estimates. They had to change and re-label all their vehicle downward and (now) they might be able to re-label again showing vastly improved numbers.
    PS I really don`t miss the Cruise Control since I hardly have a chance to use it even on the highways here due to constant traffic. I (did) miss not having the Armrest with Storage Console though. I had to purchase all the separate parts individually since Kia does`nt sell a complete Unit. It would have cost a fortune if I bought them at the Dealer but I got them on Ebay from a Seller in Korea for a very low cost and they were all genuine OEM Kia Components.
  • btatrbtatr Posts: 75
    Backy, congratulations on your new purchase, I'm sure you'll fall in love with your new car.

    I have a 2012 RIO 5 SX and it's a fantastic vehicle. It is sleek, aerodynamic, comfortable, handles well, and the engine is silky smooth on the Interstate. On numerous occasions, I was doing 80 MPH on the Interstate, and because the engine is so smooth, I didn't even realize it. I'm assuming you have the same 1.6L engine in your LX model.

    Good to see your excellent fuel economy numbers, but always remember, that's only one component out of many when analyzing an automobile. Here's one I think you'll like. My 2012 SX has almost 15,000 miles in slightly less than 20 months and I haven't had a single mechanical problem. I have one minor issue inside the cabin, but other than that, I think this is a very impressive record on the part of KIA.

    My girlfriend and another male friend both have KIA Fortes for 2 1/2 years and neither one's had any mechanical issues in all that time.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    I really don`t miss the Cruise Control since I hardly have a chance to use it even on the highways here due to constant traffic.

    No wonder you can't get over 33 mpg. In constant traffic, I'm sure I wouldn't get 38 mpg.

    If Kia wants to buy my Rio back from me for twice what I paid for it, I'm all for that. But I doubt they will. If they did, they wouldn't find anything special about it. It's all about how/where/when the car is driven. "YMMV".
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