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Jaguar X-Type

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  • I know what you mean robr2. However, despite what everyone says about Daewoos, ours ('99) with over 63K miles has been the most reliable and least expensive vehicle we ever owned. Luckily, my wife doesn't know how to drive a stick, so my Jag is safe for now (ha, ha).
  • I recently took delivery of a new X-Type. I'd like to know if anyone has made any modifications to their car, who supplies performance parts for them, and what you did or plan to do to yours.

     

    This is a great, highly under-rated car. Thaks for your responses!
  • Axiomlover,

     

    I live in Maryland and we have not had snow yet - it was about 70 degrees on New Years day. However, I will have the X-type out for the first snow storm to see how if performs. Ideally, I'd like to have it out in the fresh snow and then get it in the garage before the salt trucks make their way to the side roads.

     

    The X-type is some what of a paradox for me. It's geared for foul weather driving, i.e., having good traction in snow, slush, etc., yet it's a Jaguar with fine paint and thus must be sheltered. By the second snow storm I'll probably cut the apron strings and let the big dog eat.

     

    - SnowJag
  • Pfoglia,

     

    I'd like to make mods to the car but the 4 year 50K mile warranty was a strong buying incentive. Back in the day, cars had a one year 12K warranty and guys could do stuff after a year of thinking about what would be cool to do with out warranty consequences. Is this a new downside of these longer warranties?

     

    -- SnowJag
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,981
    You can make modifications to your vehicle if you want but keep the following in mind:

     

    the dealer does not have to do warranty repairs if they can prove that the modification was the direct cause of what you want repaired under warranty.

     

    The dealer does not have to restore the modification if it needs to be removed in order to do a warranty repair - ie the OEM head unit died through no fault of the aftermarket sub and satellite radio installed by an aftermarket shop. But the aftermarket shop spliced into and customized the OEM radio harness to install the equipment. It'll be out of your pocket to have the aftermarket shop hook it up again.

     

    The dealer does not have to do factory paid maintenance on a component that was installed aftermarket - ie replacing K&N filters, lubricating aftermarket suspension components, inspecting/adjusting aftermarket brakes, etc.

     

    These things were issues when warranties were shorter - it's just an issue for a longer time. BTW, how long has it been since you bought a new car? 12/12 warranties have been history for over 10 years now!! :)
  • Hi Everyone,

     

    This may have come up before, and if so my apologies. We have had a couple of major cold snaps here lately and my wife's X-type's side windows refuse to unfog. It's an early build '02 3.0 purchased last summer so this is our first winter with the car. She tells me she's tried "every" climate control configuration and that the windows still refuse to clear.

     

    Has anyone else encountered this problem. and if so solved it? Thanks.

     

    CWJ
  • Dear Snowjag:

    Thanks for your insight. My last new car was a 2000 Mercedes and I did some mods(K&N, exhaust, wheels, brakes). They also didn't involve the other issues with the car. The dealer recognized these modifications didn't impact the "problems" (a/c and electrical) and the ignored them .

     

    It's my understanding that under Magnuson-Mann Act, only those items directly effected by the alteration/s are non-warrantable/serviceable, like if I change the exhaust, the new mufflers won't be warranted by the factory but the cat is still "theirs".

     

    That's the premise I'm working under. Hopefully it will fly...

     

    Best regards!
  • I noticed the same issue with my '04. When it is cold, the side windows do get foggy. There are two things you can do, which worked for me. You can direct the heat at your dashboard vents or windshield vents, but make sure your A/C is on and your fan speed is set pretty high. It doesn't take long to get rid of the fog, but it will get foggy again unless you keep the fan speed pretty high. I think the problem is that the side dashboard vents do not swing far enough towards the side windows. Let me know if you find a better solution. In the meantime, I will try to modify the vents to direct more heat directly onto the windows.
  • It broke my heart to see my new Jag leave the showroom floor and enter the super salty streets of Chicago. However, I couldn't let a perfectly capable AWD machine stay in the garage all winter long. We got 12 inches of snow yesterday and the X ploughed through unshoveled driveway with an unbelievable ease. I went searching for large parking lots before they got ploughed to test the car's take off and braking in heavy snow. Needless to say, the only way to get stuck is if the car were to get suspended by its body. As long as the wheels are touching the ground, you can pretty much go through anything. I only wish I were able to switch off ABS as it takes much longer to stop in slippery conditions. I think the tires do a very good job in the snow, given their all-seasonality.

     

    As soon as the temperature outside rises, I will wash the car from salt. Does anybody have any suggestions as to preventing car wash scratch marks short of never taking it through an automatic car wash? What's your best (proven) technique for washing and drying the car without damaging the finish?
  • Thank you Axiomlover. Closing the center vents, sending everything to the side vents and keeping the fan speed up does help.

     

    CWJ
  • Hello Everyone and thanks to all who read and respond to my questions. A few weeks ago, I posted that at speeds of 60 mph or higher I get a whining noise. It turns out Jaguar had to replace my Rear Diffs, and that seems to be fixed. HOWEVER, now ONLY between the speeds of 50 and 65, I hear a cyclical whining noise that sounds like it is coming from the front. It sounds like the wining from a motor, or maybe the driveshaft? It goes away below 50 mph and above 65. Has anyone else heard of or experienced this? Thank you all again.... todd
  • Hi all,

     

    I've been looking over the edmunds site and it seems that the 2.5 x-type is pretty good value-for-money. What I am looking for is commentary (good and bad) about owning this vehicle including mechanical issues, cost of maintanence (outside of warranty) and other items (real-life MPG) to get a true value of ownership. I would need to drive this vehicle in cold-weather some of the time (skiing, family in MN), so I am particularly interested in feedback about ice-snow driving situations. Also whether you get flack (keying, vandalism) about owning a jag like you might get for owning a BMW. Thanks for your help!

     

    Specs I was thinking of:

    2004 x-type BRC

    2.5L engine

    manual tranny

    sports package
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    I have a 2003 X-Type 2.5 manual non-sport package. I bought this vehicle in August 2003. The vehicle currently has 24,500 miles on it and has been very reliable. The only warranty issues I have had are replacing the defroster vents at the 20,000 mile service because they had warped slightly and a burnt out tail lite bulb at 22,000 miles. I normally get 22-24 MPG with my daily commute and have gotten over 28 MPG on highway trips at 75-80 MPH.

      This vehicle is fantastic in snow and ice. Cost of maintenance has yet to be an issue as I have another 25,000 miles to go before the warranty is gone.

      This vehicle continues to be a joy to drive and I would readily buy another in the future.
  • I just about a 3.0 from Downtown Jag in Minneapolis and so far a like it. I have had some issues, like the rear diffs replaced, front rotors replaced, gas cap replaced, and front defroster vents fixed. Mostly minor. My only issue is I live in the south metro and the only dealership is there in Minneapolis, so it is a haul to get it fixed. I bought used with 6000 miles and got a 6 year 100000 mile warranty, so hopefully other than tires or brakes should not be too expensive......
  • desertguydesertguy Posts: 730
    Buy from a Jaguar dealer and get a Select Edition warranty. It is good for 6 years, 100,000 miles. I would not have a Jag out of warranty. Car is terrific in the snow & slick.
  • pugger1pugger1 Posts: 42
    I have an 03 X-type manual with 22,000 miles. The only real problem I have encountered is an intermittent howl in the right rear wheel. The dealership is checking into the problem and will call when they find a solution. I hear the howl very seldom and because it has been reported to the dealership I am not really worried at this point in time.

    The car is a hoot to drive on snow and ice and even more fun on dry pavement. Gas mileage on the interstate tops 30mpg and if I mix town and country I get around 25mpg, I could get better but I do not baby the car. Sporty car should be driven in a sporty way!
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    I just asked a dealer today if the new $3500 incentive on 2.5 would apply if we ordered a 2.5 with automatic. He told me that the 2.5 has been discontinued (at least for the US).
  • yoreet1yoreet1 Posts: 10
    Jeffyscott:

    Could you tell more about new $3500 incentive program for X-type? Do you have the link?
  • desertguydesertguy Posts: 730
    Edmunds shows the $3500 cash to dealer on the 2.5 manual only.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    The $3500 is cash to dealer marketing support. It is for the 2.5 only...automatic is an option for that, but I was told by a dealer last year that Jaguar never applied incentives to the 2.5 w/auto...I was trying to find out if that was really true. I had not really checked into that last year as there were no auto 2.5s we wanted available at the time anyway.

     

    My understanding of what the dealer told me the other day is no more 2.5s of any kind are being built (at least for the US). Since my wife wants an automatic and does not like a couple of things that the 3.0 forces on you...looks like we will not be buying an x-type.

     

    Here is link to the incentive, in case you are not aware of where Edmunds puts this valuable information:

     

    http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/jaguar/xtype/100473390/incentives- .html?vdp=off&setzip=53089&state=WI&tid=edmunds.n.inc- entivesmip.incentives.3.5.Jaguar*
  • I know what you are saying about the whining noise, tgilbertjag! In my '04 2.5 Man. the unusual whining does not begin until you hit 70 mph and magically disappears once you drop below 70. There is some whine you can hear at lower speeds, but I would consider it normal, given it is an AWD. My car is at the dealership right now being checked out. The mechanic drove with me this morning and was able to hear the whine over 70 and admitted it wasn't normal. He said that the first thing he would check is the propshaft and its balance, then the tires. I test drove 4 different X-types (both 3.0 and 2.5) before I bought mine and each of them had some sort of whining noise at speeds of 45-55, especially when slightly accelarating and one of the mechanics said that the AWD system on our X-type is not as quiet as the one used in some Japanese brands and some whine should be expected. I will let you know what the dealership discovers.
  • I only have 900 miles on my 2.5 manual and I got 20.2 mpg. I consider it great as driving the same routes around Chicago in my Isuzu Axiom, I was lucky to get 13.5 mpg. Considering it is 6 degrees F outside and cold starts consume a lot of gas, I am very happy with the 20.2.
  • I have just gotten a phone call from the dealership - they replaced the propshaft and are waiting for another rubber part due in tomorrow. I will let you know if the whine issue is fixed when I get my X back.
  • I bought a new X-Type 2.5 automatic in May '03. Have had no issues with the car. It's fantastic in snow, ice, and heavy rain storms. So far I've put about 22K on the car. It's gets about 26 - 28 MPG on trips. Outside of the free 10k services done by the dealer, I've been changing my own oil and rotating my own tires at 5K intervals. The car does attract a lot of attention because they're fairly rare and very elegant looking. I test drove the 325i and the baby Benz and they just don't compare with the Jag in my opinion.
  • I came across this article from Consumer Guide regarding the reasons behind using Premium gasoline, buying gas at "brand" stations, etc. I hope you find it interesting.

     

    http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/editorial/features/index.cfm/a- ct/feature21
  • I took mine back to the dealer and they said that the rear diffs were still noisy and that was what I was hearing. They are now trying to find a set that are not. Apparently this is a wide spread issue with Jaguar according to them. When you say propshaft, is that the same as the drive shaft?

    I will let you know what I find out. Thanks Axiom.
  • I picked my X-Type from the dealership where they replaced the driveshaft (same as propshaft), but the noise at 70mph and above is still there, no difference. There is no way in hell a Jaguar should sound like that, especially that it is quiet and smooth, otherwise. I will have them replace the differential and/or tires if they have to, but I simply cannot accept this pounding, grinding, cyclical noise. The mechanic definitely heard the noise, but replaced only the driveshaft as that was recommended in the bulletin on drivetrain noise. When I bring my X back to the dealership, I will take a loaner (another X-Type) and test it thoroughly for any noises at different speeds.

     

    Common Jaguar, you can do better than that!
  • My dealer is 100% sure it is the diffs. They are now test driving several new 2005's and are going to find ones that are quiet and put them on mine. They did that last week for another customer and that was what it took. Must be they got a sweet deal on this piece of crap diffs.. The loaner they gave me to use is also an xtype and it sound worse than mine... I should have mine back on Monday and will update you. Thanks again
  • kernickkernick Posts: 4,072
    The last 5 years I drove a Subaru with Bridgestone Blizzaks, and now this is my 1st year with the X-Type and its Continental all-seasons.

    I've fishtailed a little accelerating and I really only have about 50% of the confidence cornering and braking on snow or ice as when I had the Subaru. I can't imagine how poor those tires will be after they have 20K-30K miles of wear on them.

    Next year I'm getting snows. If you drive on snow or ice frequently, make the change.
  • So, they found a new 2005 that made NO noise and took those diffs and put it on mine. Surprise Surprise, IT Still Makes Noise. Apparently Jaguar just on Monday issued a bulletin with a new Noise Shield that covers the entire drive train. It is 5 feet long by 2 feet wide and this is their fix. They are installing today. I guess we shall see. I think my next move though is to look at the lemon law. The car has been in teh shop for 30 days out of hte first 3 months I have owned it. Just doesnt seem right!!!!!
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