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Jaguar X-Type

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  • There are lots of cars (if not most) that do have issues, some minor and others major in nature. We would all like a perfect car, but they do not exist. Even the very expensive BMWs encounter major electrical issues and Lexus owners complain about anything from their cars pulling to one side to their engines suffering from sludge. Overall, X-Type is a great car and you can't beat the appeal or the prices for which you can buy them. I would recommend 2003 or newer, especially that the price difference does not seem to be significant. Good luck!
  • I have just come back from a 1,000-mile long weekend in my X-Type. Overall, I was happy with the way my X performed, especially with four adults on board and the trunk packed to the rim, including two pairs of skis and poles. How did I fit them? Although the car does not have a "pass-through" (mine doesn't even fold 60/40), it has an arm rest for rear passengers. Once the arm rest is down, there is only thin fabric separating the passenger compartment from the trunk, once you remove the felt cover inside the trunk. Simple "operation" with scissors and I had a ski pass-through. The rear of the vehicle was sitting pretty low, which caused the headlights shine pretty high, so much so that some drivers used their high beams to let me know I was blinding them. I wish the car was equipped with headlight adjustment dial like most cars in Europe. With the car loaded up and going 75-80 mph, I averaged 25 mpg (2.5L 5 speed). Not great, but acceptable given the speed and load. I sure could have used a sixth gear as the engine definitely had the torque to handle it. Although it was only 35 F outside, I still had to run A/C to keep the windows from fogging. I was also happy that the engine did not burn any oil, which appears clean and clear after 3,000 miles since last change. I also had an opportunity to drive my X on a closed track. It easily and fairly quickly got to 125 mph (with four people on board), but wouldn't go any further. It must be limited because it still had the room in rpm to go faster. I was amazed at how smooth the car got at 125! It got quieter than at 70mph and very controllable.

    So, overall good experience, but we could have used more interior space, especially rear legroom, the car still whines and howls at 55-75mph and now I am hearing this high-pitched noise described by others as similar to "finger on glass" for the first 300 yards of driving in cold weather.
  • bcamkbcamk Posts: 1
    Has anybody checked the fluid level in their transmission, or had it changed? What is the proceedure for checking it, there is no dipstick, should it be warm, cold, etc.?
  • I bought a 2002 with 31,000 miles on and drove to 36,900 miles (5,900 miles) before having a gearbox fault followed by complete auto transmission failure. (this problem described in 2003 forums). The dealership was willing to replace the transmission but the delay was going to be on the order of 4-6 weeks. I traded to a 2003 with manual and the dealer was pretty fair with me on the trade. Clearly I like the x type.. but will be watching the forums for similar tales of woe.
  • sbb1sbb1 Posts: 1
    Last August, I purchased an '02 X-type 3.0 with 47k miles. The more I drive it, the more I love it! The only problem I have had is condensation on inside windows now that it has gotten colder (Massachusetts). Taking to dealer next week to fix.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,920
    The only problem I have had is condensation on inside windows now that it has gotten colder (Massachusetts). Taking to dealer next week to fix.

    Have you tried running the A/C with the temp setting on warm? That'll dehumidify the air inside the vehicle and stop the condensation.
  • I have just gotten off the phone with the service advisor at the dealership. I brought my X-Type in for a few smaller issues, but the most important one (again) was to try and fix the whining and groaning differential noise (fourth time). I rode in my car with the technician driving on the highway to let him hear the noise and make sure he knows what I am complaining about. Apparently, he was familiar with the issue and said that I was not the only owner complaining about the whine. However, supposedly Jaguar USA no longer authorizes dealers to replace differentials because in most cases the new differential makes even louder noise. Jaguar views it only as nuisance, so I have to pretty much live with it and accept it. If your Jag does not make the whining noise, you are lucky and should enjoy your quiet, luxurious machine, while I will be doomed to listen to the howls of my unfortunate X-Type. Seems to me that the days of a Jaguar taking space in my garage are counted. Too bad, because it is a nice looking car, but there is only so much whining one can bear. Besides, it is a 2004 Jaguar and not a 1984 Ford pickup. Whining drivetrain and the name of a luxury automobile should never be used in one sentence. Well, except Jaguar.
  • desertguydesertguy Posts: 730
    Really sorry to hear of your whining differential problems axiomlover. I guess I have been very fortunate. My '02 had none of the problems most had and my '05 Sport has none either. (I'm looking for some wood to knock on) If you have the upgraded stereo you can always turn it up. Or better yet get XM or Sirius radio. I have Sirius now and just love it. Had a bracket installed in both cars so I can move it between cars. There are so many neat things on there that I probably wouldn't hear the diff. noise if it was there.

    I know what you are thinking; but it is a Jaguar and I shouldn't have to put up with this crap and of course you are right!
  • Hi Everyone - I have a 2002 x-type and just had the transmission replaced (free of course) after a gear box fault message came up. Am wondering if many others have had this same problem - I guess I'm wondering if I made a mistake with this purchase. I love the car - would appreciate feedback. Also am wondering which type of gas to use. Both the salesman and the mechanic at the dealership said premium was unnecessary, but 'premium only' is posted right inside the gas door. What do you all use? Thanks so much.
  • Welcome. I have always used Premium, but you will not damage the car by using regular gas. The engine has been tuned for premium gasoline, so it should run at its optimum temperature and performance on premium. As far as wondering whether you made a mistake? I am wondering myself.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Between the owners manual and the fuel filler door instruction, why were you confused and felt the need to ask the salesman for his advice and opinion about fuel?
  • While it has not happened to me...several other owners have had their warranty voided by NOT using the prescribed gasoline...one of them admitted he hadn't used premium all the time and the dealership said the gumming up of his engine was caused by that (not entirely likely) but he had to pay for the repairs out of pocket because of this admission. I would recommend either 1) only using premium, 2) alternating between the two, 3) using regular but adding a fuel adder/cleaner occassionally, or 4) using regular but NEVER admitting it to the dealer. If you choose #4, be prepared to fight if your car has problems and they try and blame you rather than fix the problem.

    Good luck!
  • desertguydesertguy Posts: 730
    "...several other owners have had their warranty voided by NOT using the prescribed gasoline.."

    Oh come on, get real. Anyone that would let a dealer tell them their warranty was void because of the gas they use is pretty guilible. I have been on Several Jaguar boards for over 4 years and I have NEVER heard that claim on any of them. My Jaguars had premium when I got them from the dealer and that was about the last tank they ever had. We have three grades where I live and I use the middle grade which is 89 octane. Cars have always run perfectly. If you want peak performance, perhaps 91+ octane would be better but I'm no longer a boy racer! It is a waste of money to put in higher octane than a car needs.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,920
    I will respectfully disagree. If the manufacturer recommends premium, it is because the vehicle is tuned to perform best and return greater fuel economy on that grade of gasoline.

    Using a lower grade in those cases usually results in a false economy. The vehicle's ECU will adjust the performance of the engine to accomodate the lower octane. But many times, that reduced performance is accompanied by reduced fuel economy. The savings in fuel purchases is offset by the lower economy. To top it off, you also get less performance.

    However, the reverse is not the same. Using 91/93 in a vehicle designed to run on 87 usually will not produce increased performance or fuel economy.
  • Actually, my questions to the salesman and mechanic regarding the fuel type were during the 'research. stage' of the process. It wasn't until after I filled the car up the first time that I saw the posted sticker and realized I may have gotten some misinformation.
  • Thanks to all of you for your input, I have always used premium , also thinking that the difference in fuel price may be offset by reduced mileage - - but just wondered if there was some information out there I was unaware of.
  • I'd try calling JAG USA directly and discussing it with them. Hopefully they'll intercede for you, and, get your problem solved. I just went through this with a 05 Chrysler that was making horrible groaning noises. My dealer fooled around with the car for 3 months and couldn't fix it, and, stopped returning my calls. I called the factory, was set to a different dealer, and the car was fixed in 4 hours.

    Regards:
    Oldengineer
  • tom213tom213 Posts: 49
    Here's my experience with the proper gas to use: The day we picked up our 2006 X-Type, I asked the sale person if I must use the premium gas, she said (and she has been selling Jaguar, Mercedes, and Volvos for over 7 years) that all their cars receive the regular unleaded gas when sold. I found that a little hard to believe for the really high dollar rides, but took her word anyway and have just turned 4000 miles without any problems using the cheap stuff (I'm knocking on wood as I type this).
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,920
    I asked the sale person if I must use the premium gas, she said (and she has been selling Jaguar, Mercedes, and Volvos for over 7 years) that all their cars receive the regular unleaded gas when sold.

    That's because they are paying for that tank of gas.

    ...and have just turned 4000 miles without any problems using the cheap stuff

    Keep track of your gas mileage for a few weeks with regular and then switch to premium for a few weeks. You may be suprised at the results.

    Personally I trust the manual more than the salesperson when it comes to fuel requirements.
  • Thanks oldengineer, I will try calling Jag directly.
  • desertguydesertguy Posts: 730
    I like the way my Toyota Highlander manual phrases it:

    "Use a minimum of 87 research octane and for the best performance, use 91 or higher research octane."

    That is with the 3.3 liter engine(Same as Lexus 330) and IMO a more advanced engine than in my 3.0 Jaguar. Now I don't need great performance to drive to the store or to work so I don't waste the money. On long trips (1500 miles) I have used premium particularly when traversing the mountains of Colorado and Utah.
  • The main reason why we should use premium gas is to prevent "knocking" in the combustion chamber of our engines. The premium gasoline has stronger resistance to this undesirable chemical reaction where the fuel/air mixture burns so hot and breaks down so quickly that it may be damaging to your engine. Namely, it may literally burn a hole in the top of the piston (I have seen such engines) or may cause the valves to warp and seat incorrectly or you may damage the catalytic converter due to the exhaust gases being too hot. Of course, in today's engines, it would take a lot of running under load and on cheap gasoline to cause such serious damage, but it may happen. Most new engines have anti-knocking sensors, which adjust the fuel/air mixture to prevent knocking and that's why you will see worse fuel economy with regular gas in engines, which require premium. Have you ever heard usually older cars move quickly from green light? You will hear the distinctive knocking from the engine, which indicates this phenomena. Each engine has a different compression ratio and optimum running temperature, not to mention ignition timing and valve opening curvature. The cars that do not need premium gas usually run lower compression ratios and may not be very spirited. Bottom line is this: if the manufacturer recommends premium, stick with premium. Think about it, if you put 12K miles per year and average 20mpg, it will cost you only about $120 more for premium vs. lowest grade of gas. Well worth it for the piece of mind, better performance, not to mention better fuel economy.
  • Hello, I am new to the forum and thinking about purchasing a 2004-2005 x-type sport. Does anyone know if you can tell whether the car has the sport package and/or premium package by the vin #? Thanks in advance.
  • I suspect your Jag engine is a bit more sophisticated than the Toyota 3.3. First of all, The Jag 3.0 makes 227 HP, compared to the Toyota 3.3 at 215. Secondly, the Jag engine is very high compression. Jag's 3 liter V6 makes more HP than the current BMW 3 liter in the 325i. My X-Type with the 2.5 Liter runs best and delivers its best fuel economy with 93 octane gas. If I use 92 or ethanol blended premium, my gas mileage drops about 4 -5 mpg. My daughter has 2 Toyota SUVs with v8s - both run ok on regular, but, get a little better fuel economy on premium.

    Regards:
    Oldengineer
  • desertguydesertguy Posts: 730
    Oldengineer: I will have to disagree with you and I'm no mechanic but I think the Highlander V6 is the more sophisticated engine. Currently it has 230 HP but more importantly, 242 ft.pds of torque. It is also a VVT-i engine (variable valve timing with intelligence) The compression ratio is 10.7 which is high.

    The cars are not comparable of course. I would much rather be driving my Jaguar. My point was the Toyota manual says 87 octane is OK but 91 or higher will get better performance. I suspect Jaguar could say the same if they wanted to.
  • I must say I am so very thrilled to finally have the opportunity to purchase a Jaguar. It's been a dream of mine since I was 18.

    I purchased this car 'Certified' with just over 40,000 miles. I have spent the last two days, driving it in all different environments to become acquainted with it's tendencies. I have a few questions for those of you who are familiar with the '02 X-type. I appreciate all of your information and advice.

    1. The steering column seems to make a humming/whining noise when turning hard to the either side. Is this a known issue with this model or something unique?

    2. It's an automatic, but there is a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear indicator on the left side of the shifting plate. The salesperson wasn't sure if this allowed for speed shifting between these gears while moving or whether they were static gear selection. This may come across as confusing but hopefully some of you understand and can provide insight. I would hate to use these gears as a pseudo manual shifting while moving if it wasn't designed for this purpose and may cause unnecessary transmission wear/tear.

    3. The stereo system console supports an embedded cellphone and CD Changer, neither of which were in the car when I purchased it. I have two basic questions. a> If I add the cell phone option can I use any cellphone service (i.e. Cingular, Spring, T-Mobil)? b> Can a 3rd party CD Changer be added in the trunk be supported by the Jaguar stereo system or must I Use Jaguar's CD changer?

    I appreciate any help you can provide. I love the car, and I'm simply trying to better understand my alternatives for these issues.

    Thank you,

    Rich
  • Well it is one way. The forward direction button is working, although not one touch functionality. The reverse isn't working at all, therefore to close the roof, I need to keep the forward direction depressed and guess when the sunroof is completely closed. I have a 2002 2.5 X-type.
    It all happened after I accidently turned off the ignition whilst the sunroof was closing. I turned the engine on again when I realised my mistake and I've had my problem since.

    Is anyone aware of this problem and how to fix it?

    Many thanks
  • desertguydesertguy Posts: 730
    Try this procedure:

    Issue: Sunroof Motor Synchronization - Calibration:
    Please note: The 2002 MY X-Type sunroof motor/module doesn't have timing marks
    or gears to be aligned. In the event that a roof motor is inoperative, or if the
    roof panel is not closing or opening properly, the following Initializations
    procedure must be performed.

    Action: Press the switch to operate the roof panel to the fully tilt position.
    Release the switch. Press the switch again in the same direction, fully tilt and
    hold for 30 seconds or until the roof panel moves slightly. Release the switch
    and, within 5 seconds, press in the same direction and hold. The roof panel will
    travel automatically to the fully open position, then back to the fully closed
    position and then stop. Verify the operation of the anti-trap and one-touch
    features.

    Worked for me.
  • desertguydesertguy Posts: 730
    Rich: The shifter is known as a J-gate as you can see it is in the shape of the letter J which has been common to all auto Jags for many years. You can shift the car like a manual if you wish and many people do just for the fun of it.

    As for the phone; from what I have read, the Jag phone was a timeport Motorola and was rather dated, expensive, and did not allow for the use of other phones using the car's wiring. As for the CD changer, Jaguar uses a fiber optics system that is practically impossible to use ad-ons with. And to make matters worse, both the factory phone and changer are very expensive. Check around as maybe a third party supplier has come up with something. Or maybe Ebay.
  • I'm new to the forum. I found a 2005 X with all the options and only a few thousand miles. Had to buy it, I finally own a Jag. I'd like to ask about a few 3rd party upgrades. The grill should look like a jag grill, wire mesh. Has anyone replaced the front grill and can you suggest a 3rd party. Also, I love the exhaust sound, but only above 3,500 RPM.
    Below that it's anemic. Has anyone upgraded to a true bolt on system that adds beautiful sound to a beautiful car?
    Thanks for your input, see you on the road in Seattle. - Go Hawks. PS - The Seattle/Bellevue dealership rocks.
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