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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,626
    sorry Fez, I didn't have this thread watched.

    Couldn't go this weekend anyway. I am going next weekend though, most likely not until Sunday though to work with my Daughter's schedule.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • fezofezo Posts: 9,439
    Sunday would be a no for me. Super zzbowl zsunday with the Giants in it! Ah!

    Have fun.
  • odie6lodie6l Hershey, PaPosts: 1,078
    here is a link to my Facebook Album for "Car Pictures". I have the setting as public, so you would be able to look at the pictures. Start with the Blue Shelby GT500 and go from there for this years pictures (since I have other car pictures in there too). Unfortunately my camera was having some moments and some of the pics came out blurry. I didn't notice it till I got home.

    Facebook Photo Album - Car Pictures

    Odie
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,626
    Oh, don't worry. I will be ensconsed in my chair with a cold beer in plenty of time for the SB. I am not missing the Giants game for anything, even cars!

    My plan is to be there by about 10, do the show, and grab lunch on the way out (Yum, cheesesteaks! Might have to go hit Oscars, if it is still there) and be home by 3 at the latest.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • fezofezo Posts: 9,439
    Damn, stick. Don't do that to me! Tempting......
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,626
    sadly, went from being a family affair to a solo trip.

    Wife had a stomach virus last night, and is spending the day in bed. Daughter did not feel like it either.

    not as much fun alone, but not the first time!

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • fezofezo Posts: 9,439
    Everyone I know around here has at least one person sick in the family. My SIL came down with something which killed our Super Bowl plans. Now one of my 10 year olds has a bug so I'll be staying put.

    You'll love the Dart among loads of other things.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,138
    Just out of curiosity, how big did the Dart look? Lemko said I should hold off on any kind of purchase until I see it, because it looks a lot better in person.

    I once said that I'd never buy another Dart, because between the '69 GT I bought back in September 1989 and the '68 Dart 270 that finally got towed away in December 2009, I've been dealing with 'em for 20 years, so I'm kinda Darted out!

    But, I never in a million years thought they'd bring the name back. And, who knows? Maybe it will be a cool car.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,626
    It did look cool.

    To me, it looked bigger than it probably really is. Really looked mid sized, but you really need to see it in context to tell. But, very stylish, and not in a gaudy overdone way (like some Hyundais say). Should wear well.

    Looks about 10x more expensive than a Caliber or Neon ever did.

    so, might seem small to you, but big to me!

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,138
    Style-wise, the only part of the Dart I don't like is the rear, starting in the back doors and working back. It's like the car doesn't know whether it wants to be a hatchback or a sedan. And there just seems to be too much sheetmetal in that area above the rear wheel opening, an area that, IMO, can make a car look awkward.

    But, I've seen pics of it that make it looks clumsy, and pics that make it look good. I'll just have to wait until I see one in person, I guess! Be kinda cool if they'd offer it in a stripper 170 level, nicer 270, sporty GT, and high-performance GTS!
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,626
    the tailights are cool at least. And the one on display in Philly was a white R/T.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,138
    Oh, yeah, I think the taillights themselves are way cool! If not the overall rump of the car. But, I'll at least check it out when it's on the market. I've been thinking about trying a smaller car next time around, anyway. Something perhaps Altima/Accord/Fusion sized. But, if the Dart feels adequate enough, I'd give it a shot.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,626
    the new fusion was sharp also. Looked big to me though. Probably the shape.

    made the new malibu look dowdy and old fashioned in comparison.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • fezofezo Posts: 9,439
    Yeah, I love the tail lights!

    It's great to see Chrysler back in nice design.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,138
    From what I've seen of the pics, the 2013 Fusion looks pretty nice. Oddly, that front-end reminds me of a '57-59 Chrysler 300 Letter Series! And I love that light blue color that I'm seeing in some of the pictures.

    I've never had a Ford product in my life, but I could see myself being happy with one of those Fusions. I have a feeling that the next couple years or so are going to be kinda exciting, for new cars.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,626
    there is actually a lot of neat stuff out now. I sat in a Camry, and it seemed more modern, but I still thought it was a lousy design. Not for me. But the other cars in this class are stepping up to the table. I love the Passat.

    The Altima know is a dinosaur (they must be redoing that soon I would think).

    And the B class is getting to be cut throat too.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,204
    The front end of the 2013 Fusion reminds me of an Aston-Martin. I can't see you in a Ford. You're more the Mopar-Poncho type. I've had a few Ford products. It only reinforces the reason I'd stick with GM or consider Chrysler.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,182
    edited February 2012
    As far as the show was concerned, it was fantastic. I went on Friday, the day it opened to the public and up until around 1-2PM it wasn't really crowded at all. My wife and I finished the event and were back around fro a second time in about 3 hours.

    What I noticed:

    Out of all the displays there, the one that stood out was definitely the Chrysler display. They had three tracks set up, one for riding, not driving :( in a selection of Chryslers and Fiat 500's, another for RAM trucks and the last for JEEP. The new Dart is very impressive, there was almost a dozen Grand Cherokees on the floor (which I am very interested in for my next vehicle) and the foot traffic around Chryslers new product was high. BTW, I also must vote Chrysler as the most improved interior. The 300 for instance now has the interior to match the exquisite exterior. There wasn't a Chrysler product there that wasn't as good or better than the competition IMO.

    Which leads me to most disappointing and that award has got to go to Acura. I'm sorry, but I am a very big fan of Honda and their new product has got to be the most uninspiring, most dull and most disappointing in years. The new RDX and ILX are about as exciting as what i saw at Mitsubushi and Suzuki. Seriously, Kia had more features, more content and better interiors than these new Acura models. That was a shock and a half for me. Especially the RDX which not only has rims that look like they were taken from the CR-V but the exhaust tips tucked under the bumper made the back end look like a CR-V. There's a V6 under there? Btw, the ILX exterior was a little more interesting, but the single exhaust tip like the one from the Civic that it is based on was a blatant cost-cutting.

    Speaking of Honda, their stuff wasn't as disappointing and their foot traffic was very impressive for not having a fresh lineup. The CR-V especially was crowded and the Accord Coupe concept was busy. The new Civics were also notably crowded.

    Toyota on the other hand, wow. It was pretty much a ghost town. Sure there were a few checking out the new Camry (Very impressive btw, best in class IMO except for poor headroom, especially the SE) and some activity around the Highlander and Sienna but outside of that. eerily quiet. Their trucks were seeing activity, forgot to mention that.

    But Lexus? Awesome. And very packed. The new LF-LC gets my award for best in show, just a smidge ahead of the new SLS convertible. The concept is breathtaking IMO, loved it. What was funny is they had 4 LF-A's on display and the LF-LC makes them look boring. :surprise: Well, not boring, but let's just say they weren't as noticable...
  • Speaking of the SLS, over at Mercedes, they had the second best and most popular of the German Big 3 with an impressive array of their high end products for show. The new SLS was even on the floor to look at but unfortunately it was locked :cry: The new CLS, man what a ride. They also had a baddass E-wagon in the AMG trim which was super crowded. Honorable mention for the new SLK which I really liked the improvements over the old one.

    Audi was easily the best of the G-3. They had so many vehicles (I liked how they were all gray while the "hot" ones were in red). YOu could even get up close and personal with an R8 although it too was locked :mad: They were rdidiculously crowded and almost impossible to get into. The new A7 especially, man that thing has presence. Their interiors are still as nice as always and their product was top notch for all pricepoints. The A3 was the only disappointment for me because it just was so cramped and didn't have that heft of their other products (for instance the doors seemed flimsy and their controls not as fluid)

    BMW, they were OK but nothing really spectacular. The new 3-series is fantastic, the interiors have warmed up a bit and the features were pretty good for the price. Love the new 3-er myself.
  • Already mentioned my disappointment with Acura and the successs over at Lexus, but what I was surprised about was how little interest there was at the Infiniti display. Even the new JLX was getting a cold reception. The G was seeing a few people but the most popular one they had on display was the QX of all things.

    At Infiniti's parent brand, Nissan, things were different. There were only one variation of each vehicle in their lineup on the floor and they were seeing moderate action. Even the Murano convertible in all it's ugliness was seeing traffic. They had a GT-R there too (which was locked, dammit) which I was pretty pyched to check out for the first time.

    Subaru, they are a serious contender for the japanese big 3 now IMO and I would even go so far as to remove Honda from the tier and replace them with Subie. Seriously, and not because I am a fan, but because their product hasn't been this strong ever. The new Impreza is a solid contender in the class and for the price, 22 grand fro a loaded hatch that has AWD and gets 36mpg highway is unbeatable. The interior is also much improved over the outgoing model and the features/content is outstanding for the price. Rear seat leg room rivals my wifes Outback btw :surprise: ... Oh and the new BR-Z will be very successful. That thing had more attention than the entire Mazda display next to it. I want one, badly.

    Over at mazda, ya it was quiet. Outside of the new SkyActive booth and the new CX-5, there wasn't much to see at Mazda. Shame, because the MX-5 is still such a great car, especially in the space dept. for such a small car. The new CX-5 btw, is really, really nice. I would certainly put it in contention for class leader behind the new CR-V and the new Escape.

    Mitsu and Suzuki had less visitors than the amount of people that were in the bathroom at the time...
  • Wow, is all I have to say about the new Kias. Wow. Are they on a roll or what. Talk about throwing everything but the kitchen sink at your lineup. My gosh did they have it, and have it in spades. From the Optima to the hot little Coupe' to the Sportage (which was better looking and had more features than the new Acura RDX btw) to the awesome Trackster concept. I would say if Honda of the 90's, leadership-wise, was reborn in Korea, they would be where Kia is today. I still think Honda had a leg up in quality but the differences were minute.

    Hyundai had a great array of product as well. The value is where both H/K excel, for instance a loaded Tuscon "Limited" (I think) was 26 grand and I see absolutely no reason other than the engine to spend 10 grand more on an Acura RDX. The Equus btw, was getting little attention which was surprising and not so surprising for me. It was a great value, but I think the Lexus saloon than it was targeting was just better built, more comfortable and had more tech. I think going after lexus is going to be a tough nut to crack for Hyundai, especially with Toyota getting back on stride.
  • Actually first, because the first display to greet my wife and I was Ford. And even when we got to McCormick at 10AM, it was crawling with show goers. And was easily the most popular display in the entire sho while we were there. There were probably a half dozen of each of their "standards" from the new Focus to the new Fusion, new Mustang, new Fiesta to the new Escape, Ford was there to impress and impress they did (Not with everything tho).

    The new Fusion? Home Run. Looks fantastic, has a very nice interior, great feature content and they had one on a platform that caught me by surprise. an AWD model that was supposedly packing a 365hp V6. I need to learn more about this one...

    The new Mustang was also crawling with showgoers and they had all flavors of Stang to drool over. Saleens, Cobras, Cobra R's, Steeda,s and even a vintage SVO which I wanted badly when I was a kid. For me though, I don't like the new Mustang, it's just such a whale of a car... No offense to Mustang enthusiasts, I just prefer smaller cars (like the previously mentioned MX-5 and BR-Z/FR-S if I want performance.

    And unfortunately, it was the smaller cars at Ford that were kind of a letdown. Not bad per se, but the new Focus wqwas kind of meh on the inside and not great to look at either unless you were looking at top of the line trim packages. The Fiesta, same thing, but even cheaper feeling. btw, when is Ford paint jobs not going to look like cars that have seen 100 car washes before being put up for sale. Still swirl mark city...

    The new Escape, also very popular, and will be a hit for them. Nice interior, although a little cold feeling, good seats, good features and a sharp (if not a little too big) exterior profile. I actually spoke with aone of the staff and she agreed with me that the out going one had more character and that truck like appearance was a big reason for it's success but the upcoming features and upgrades including what's under the hood should make up for it.

    Anywyas, I know I was pretty brief in my overview of the show but unfortunately I am writing this from work and if I was to get into every nitty gritty detail I would never get any work done, lol. So if anyone has questions about anything or if I missed something, feel free to ask. Otherwise, great show, highly recommend checking it out.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,293
    Was the wagon an actual E63 or just a normal car with sport trim? I've been wondering if we'd finally get it - good used buy in 4 or 5 years.

    At the Vancouver show a few years ago, you could actually sit in the R8 and the full MB lineup...different world, though.
  • E63. Edmunds got a better snapshot of it than I could...

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,293
    Nice, I want. I'd take that over a sedan or even a CLS. Sales of the old one were microscopic - under 100 units per year. Maybe one of these with the less guzzling turbo engine will come my way in another 4 or 5 years.
  • odie6lodie6l Hershey, PaPosts: 1,078
    • The new Impreza is a solid contender in the class and for the price, 22 grand fro a loaded hatch that has AWD and gets 36mpg highway is unbeatable.
    I was check these out alot too since I'm looking at trading my '06 Pilot EX-OR in. For the price and what you get, I feel Subaru hit the mark. I'm just hoping that the run on them doesn't make dealers up the price. Of the 3 Subaru dealers near me, none can seem to keep the Impreza 5-doors in stock.

    Odie
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,204
    I will be at the Carlisle Ford Show tomorrow. Any other Edmunds folks going to be there?
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,204
    Anybody going to the Das Awkscht Fescht Auto Show in Macungie, PA this weekend?
  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,293
    This Sunday is the annual MBCA gathering/show for the PNW region. Always a few interesting cars there, I heard this year a 540K Special Roadster is going to be there - a ringer for an award.

    Maybe this year my old thing will get to visit with its more elegant sibling again:

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,881
    edited August 2012
    Not everyone loves the Woodward Dream Cruise (Detroit News)

    "The Woodward Dream Cruise on Saturday is the world's largest one-day celebration of car culture. The route begins on Woodward Avenue at Eight Mile and loops north to Pontiac and back."

    Momentum gathering for Saturday's classic car party (Detroit News)

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    Minivan fan. Feel free to message or email me - stever@edmunds.com.

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