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If I were an auto manufacturer, my New Year's resolution would be...

...?

Can't think of anything on my own, so looking forward to your thoughts on this.

Karen-Edmunds Community Manager

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  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,118
    ...my resolution would be improve reliability, improve reliability more, then equal and even surpass Lexus and Acura on reliability, while retaining current attributes.

    My wife's A4 has 57,000 miles. It's been okay since the warranty expired earlier this year, but I'm apprehensive.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,067
    ...I would bring out a full-size RWD/AWD luxury car in the vein of the classic 1961-65 Continental!
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,067
    ...I'd bring back the cute girl from "Pomplamoose" for the holiday commercials!

    Hyundai Holidays
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,887
    edited December 2011
    I'd produce an affordable compact RWD sedan/coupe combo with a turbo 4-cyl. Think E46 3-series with newer engine technology, starting at $22k. RWD Jetta anyone? RX8 without a rotary? Compact Genesis? All seems pretty easy to me.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,118
    Great idea. Maybe the '13 Cadillac ATS will be that car.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,887
    No way Caddy is going to start a car at $22k, though.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,118
    It'll start just under or over 30K (probably over), but the next Camaro reportedly will share the same platform.
  • ehaaseehaase Posts: 328
    A poster on another board said that Ford has cancelled plans for a FWD replacement for the MKS. There is hope for a RWD Lincoln sedan in the last half of this decade.
  • Some 25+ years back, Smokey Yunick, Engine Designer and Diesel mechanic designed and perfected a radical new engine.

    A IC engine with NO Valves.
    He used an Pontiac Iron-Duke 151 cu/in 4-cyl with one piston removed, now a 3-cyl.

    From a solid block of aluminum, he installed two solid bars, about 2.5" dia or so.
    In those bars he cut large slots, the bars rotated within the top of the cylinder.

    One bar delivered intake/fuel mix the other exhausted the spent mix.

    Big Deal you say ?
    Yup, the limiting factor on combustion temperatures right now is red-hot glowing valves, causing detonation and or pre-ignition.

    The engine had a belt driven supercharger to get it running, then switched over to a turbocharger for mixture feed.

    All this eliminates the drag of valve guides, rocker arms, lifter drag, and the biggie, valve spring resistance.

    There's more, and the most important part.

    He used "air heater baskets" like a power plant uses to recover heat from the exhaust.
    This he fed back into the intake at a whopping 375F !

    So now we have a roughly 113 cu/in engine.
    On the dyno it produced over 300 hp at the flywheel
    The EPA emissions were on the floor, tiny even by today's standards
    The fuel consumption was minimal, almost all the heat was recirculated into the motor, he stated the engine could be run in most climates with NO Radiator.
    Production Costs were low.
    Lifetime was long and trouble free
    He had nearly a million miles on the engine with the Dyno time and ON Road time combined.

    About "78~
    GM then Ford and then Chrysler all marveled at this little engine that could.
    Giddy with excitement, they blew the parking lot. Later, No Calls, No Letters, nothing.

    15+ or so years go by, again the same Big-3 sent Mechanical Engrs and Electrical Engrs
    to review his data, drive the car, insert emission test gear into the pipe, observe Dyno runs, inspect 100k mi+ power-plants disassembled and gain perspective on the little engine.

    The wear was minimal, his data was conclusive, the production costs were profitable, The EPA would be pleased, the owners and manufacturers happy. .
    With thoughts of personal greatness in mind, they each went back to corporate headquarters.

    Never to be heard from again..

    Today, the magazine article cannot be found in any reference material anywhere on the web, nor the engine. The patent office shows NO records of it ever having existed, I suppose this changes hands when the patent is sold..

    During his like Smokey never sold that engine, you can find minimal info on his "hot-air" engine which came prior to the valve-less design..

    Oh, well, I just guess that the Big-3 decided a long life engine that got INCREDIBLE Gas Mileage wasn't worth the effort..

    Or,, was it Big-Oil that bought the patent rights after Smokey died ?

    Much like 84 year old Stan Ovshinsky, who designed the Nicl

    Ovshinsky entrusted GM that his NiMH Vehicle Battery system would be manufactured and used in electric vehicles such as the successor to the EV-1

    Ovshinsky sold Ovonics Battery company and the patent rights to GM who formed "GM Ovonics"
    Gm then sold "GM Ovonics" to Texaco Oil
    Texaco was bought by Chevron. Chevron / owner of "Ovonics" then filed a patent infringement suit against Toyota's battery supplier, Panasonic, that ultimately succeeded in restricting the use of its large format NiMH batteries.

    There's more to the story, here's the bottom Line.

    If it burns too little Crude Oil, it WILL be bought for ANY PRICE,, any price, money or ....

    in the cse of the EV-1 and future electric ccars
    A- the Lead acid battery was too heavy and weak
    B- the LiOn battery is much too expensive and prone to fire
    C- The NiMH battery is inexpensive, not very heavy, not prone to fire and POWERFUL

    The GM EV-1
    Problem; Lead-Acid Battery
    Solution; NiMh Large Format Battery, now owned by;
    1st Texaco Ovonics Battery Systems
    Next, Cobasys, a 50/50 joint venture between Chevron/Texaco and Ovonics

    The patent infringments go on and on.

    Stan Ovshinsky interview with The Economist
    Quote
    "I think we at ECD made a mistake of having a joint venture with an oil company, frankly speaking. And I think it's not a good idea to go into business with somebody whose strategies would put you out of business, rather than building the business"

    GM promised that any EV-1 vehicles returned to General Motors would be completely recycled or donated to Universities for study.
    Instead, they CRUSHED every one except for 2 or 3 which had the AC inverters removed and now sit in a museum.

    GM EV-1

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_encumbrance_of_large_automotive_NiMH_batteri- es

    Rusty Wrench
    aka DrVette
  • drvettedrvette Posts: 99
    edited December 2011
    Since the "real" MPG engines and methods are bought and stored, let's use some existing hardware. This is all Junk we presently have, in production, with the bugs worked out.

    1- All engines shall have One TBI [Throttle Body Injector per Cylinder
    [IF it's good enough for Formula 1, put it on the road.

    2 - All engines TBI manifolds shall be "tuned" like the Cross Ram Chrysler Wedge Motor
    this builds torque at low rpm, and allows time for the mixture to completely atomize.

    3 - All engines shall have ONE Oxygen Sensor per Cylinder, what's this crap putting a SINGLE O2 sensor on a multi-cylinder engine and getting an "average" air-fuel ratio ?

    4 - Each Cylinder shall have independent timing & Air/Fuel mix controlled by the O2 sensor & ECM/PCM

    5. All engines shall have a"Heat-Riser" valve for back pressure control. at low engine speeds, increased "back-pressure" builds torque,higher RPM and increased throttle demand, they open as necessary, ECM/PCM Controlled .

    6 - All engines shall have insulation on the exhaust manifold to the catalytic converter for faster "Flame-On"

    7. Catalytic converters shall be installed as close to the head as possible, minimizing the "Flame-on" time.

    8 - All engines shall have variable valve timing.

    9 - Engines shall be equipped with an Oil Debris monitor to keep the VVT operative.

    10 - All cars shall be dimpled, like a Golf Ball to decrease drag, see Myth-busters for stats, Clean Car=26.4, 1084 golf ball dimples=29.6 mpg.

    11 - All cars shall be equipped with shaped front air dams to reduce the drag [Cd] and to route airflow away from the front tires.

    12 - All cars shall be made with under-body panels and side skirts to reduce drag.

    13 - All cars shall be made with grill shutters like old diesel trucks and the Cruze ECO

    14 - All cars will use hot air from the exhaust manifold instead of outside air, when ambient temps allow.

    15 - Engines should be made with thicker and Sodium Filled Valves to allow for higher combustion temperatures and run at lower RPM's.

    16 - Outside mirrors should be replaced with mini camera's and inside monitors to reduce drag, as well as "back-up" camera's and waring tones for objects behind the vehicle.

    17 - Overall vehicle weight should be reduced, optional fancy components replaced with stronger A-Pillars and B-Pillars

    18 - Ethanol / Alcohol fuel additives shall be replaced by other chemicals that do NOT require farmer subsidy, giving Monsanto a stronger foot hold on the economy.

    19. Diesel Automobile EPA restrictions shall be relaxed to allow the burning of B-100 Bio-Diesel as long as it comes from sources that are NOT subsidized by the US Govt.
    If the EPA will NOT relax the "too-much, too-soon" standards on Auto diesel engines,
    then a in-tank monitor shall be installed to inform the ECM/PCM of the percentage of Bio-Diesel and perform DPF Burn-Off procedure's accordingly.

    20 - The Last, [aren't you glad] TO THE BIG-3 and Everyone Making Cars.
    We do NOT give a Hoot about 300 Horsepower, 400hp, etc
    Except "performance cars of course.

    We DO care about, torque to get to road speed and mostly, MILES-PER-GALLON

    And quit making those crap transmissions on FWD cars, Please..

    Rusty Wrench
    aka DrVette
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,919
    edited December 2011
    Makes for a nice conspiracy theory but Yunick did a lot of work on the Chevy small block, so I suspect there's more to the story than the oil companies simply buying him off.

    Plus it sounds like it there were concerns that it have been a rolling bomb, or at less not technically feasible to mass produce. (mpgresearch.com)

    I think I'll try to find a hail damaged new car when I go shopping next. Save a few bucks on gas. :shades:
  • Fire all union workers. Build plant in right to work states only. Design and build the cars in the US. Without the union intervention and lazy, over paid workers quality will improve and prices will come down opening up competition and creating careers and jobs again in the USA. Unions destroy America.
  • Build it in a non unionized plant and they can.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,067
    If auto manufacturers didn't treat their workers like garbage back in the day, there never would've been a need for a union in the first place.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,118
    edited January 2012
    That's true, but I think the type of treatment you're referring to occurred in the '20s and '30s. From what I know the auto companies treated their employees better after WWII. Unlike in Japan (don't know about Germany), there was always an adversrial relationship between the UAW and management. Fortunately, that's less true in recent years.
  • There is no need for unions today. Workers have legal rights, ever heard of OSHA for one? Unions create lazy, uneducated, people that feel they are entitled to everything without working for it. People need to learn ambition and pride through accomplishments and not being left back by getting handouts from a lobbyist group that meets with the biggest union thug on a weekly basis, Obama. This liberal mentality that everything should be given to you is a disease and has killed the American economy.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,890
    Aha, I knew it would come down to this, low credibility bitter political babble, and from a source that apparently loves cars made in South Korea, by unionized workers in a domestic auto industry that has been subsidized by their federal government to the nth degree. So much for hard work and not having things given to you, eh.

    And to the thread question, two words: add lightness.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,919
    Thank you. Anyone else with a resolution or two?

    (Posters can take the political talk to the Obama discussion or the UAW one).
  • drvettedrvette Posts: 99
    edited January 2012
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    "nice conspiracy theory"
    Quote
    "I suspect there's more to the story than the oil companies simply buying him off"

    Quite obviously the Big-3 would Not accept Smokey's contract concerning this camless / valveless-engine, that is until his demise, now it's missing in action.
    [Much like the 15 layer Optical HD, POOF, it's gone,I suspect in M1-Abrams and F-22's ] the "Good-ol-Boys"[Vaishyas] at the top will only allow us "the ""untouchables, to have what is Forced upon them to give us

    I've spent over 5 decades in close proximity or working with Both University presidents and upper echelon personnel.

    Private sector is focused on profit, damn the people, damn the environment.

    Military sector is focused on:
    "In the interest of National Security, the health and well-being any single citizen or group of citizens is of no concern. [SSDD]

    If anyone has noticed the news, CAFE Regulations, not increased significantly since 1983.
    Obama has signed into effect new CAFE regs, We will have to wait and see if the next President, if Not Obama, nixes them.

    One reason, Big-Oil and Big-Auto are Buddy-Buddy, scratch my back and I'll scratch yours..

    The responses to so many threads from non-ME, or non-Mechanical Technician types makes me think of the "Stepford-Wives" or perhaps the proverbial Ostrich with his head in the sand.

    "Accept what they give us to drive, ask NO Questions"

    Go along with Montsanto's GM Products
    Think that Ethanol in gasoline is the best alternative to MTBE
    BELIEVE the lies regarding Bio Diesel.
    Bio*Diesel causes Less hunger in the world than the usage of Corn for Ethanol, check the production rates below.

    How can we "Reduce Foreign Dependence on oil if Ethanol uses 3.5-4~BTU's per BTU of Alcohol/Ethanol produced ?
    That and the fact Ethanol has 76K BTU/GL, while Gasoline has 115K BTU/GL

    Shall we not forget the fuel consumption INCREASE that Ethanol causes.
    Both items works well for Big Oil don't you think?

    MTBE was a flop, we know that,
    There are Other and cheaper was to oxygenate fuel, naphthalene is one of the many.

    Why did the EPA jump on diesel autos, demanding a particulate count equal to gasoline cars?
    The fact that for each BTU used producing Bio Diesel = 4~BTU's Fuel.
    Big-Oil surely won't like that, and we MUST keep them happy.

    This argument reminds me of the Tobacco CEO's testifying to Congress.
    Each one saying "Tobacco is NOT Addictive"

    Someone in power is saying "Using 4-BTU's to manufacture One-BTU of Ethanol is Good For America"
    [or good for their "Golden Parachutes]

    Which side do YOU believe.
    BTW, do you Know who owns the News Corporations ?

    If you want news that is Not influenced by Big-Wall-Street types, check out
    FSTV and LinkTV

    Rusty Wrench
    aka DrVette
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,919
    edited January 2012
    I found all kinds of stuff about Smokey's engine in a brief net search, including some patent links. It was a nice idea but it go boom. :D

    Occam's razor.

    Don't forget that Smokey had quite the reputation of being a cheater, as well as a master mechanic.
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