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2013 Dodge Dart

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,854
    I haven't had a chance to drive one yet. There have been a fair amount of complaints about the interior set-up on the Fiat 500 because it remains unchanged from the European ergonomics---and american drivers don't like some aspects of interior design that Europeans are quite used to.

    I'm wondering if the same barrage of complaints about interior design will come to haunt the Dart as they are currently haunting the 500? (lack of cupholders, weird button and knob placements, awkward ergonomics, etc).

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  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    I drove the Fiesta and did not like the tight feel of the drivers area in it or the Focus. The Focus had my respect because it was US made. The dart as it is now is 52% US goods. What I have seen on the web seems to me to be a higherpriced that I had hoped for. When you think every thousand dollars cost about $ 17. in your payment, that makes me wonder if the real value for me, is there.

    The Fiat is really hig priced I think. A friend og mine won a Gucci one and he likes it. But he is 86 and does not drive much and he just bought a Ford Ranger last March.

    But here is why I drive a Chrysler Pacifica Touring AWD. I think in an accident the bigger vehicle has a advantage. 4,800 lb against 3,200 lbs may well have a better chance. We have 128,000 miles on the PAC we bought in 8 of 07 it cane with the lifetime powertrain warranty, and we added to it the lifetime maxCare warranty. We put on 2,500 a month and the PAC is very comfortable, and easy to drive and ride shotgun. Little cars are fine for local driving but for us long trips are kinda hard on us older ones.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    You know, everyone seems to think that their 4800 lb tank will give them a better chance in an accident. Well, that depends on what you hit...and if you can actually manage to stop that huge hunk of steel in the first place. And that it's well designed enough to survive the sudden unintended stop when you can't stop.

    Give me a car with enough power and handling to avoid the accident in the first place, and I'm good.
  • "You know, everyone seems to think that their 4800 lb tank will give them a better chance in an accident."

    Would that include insurance actuaries ..........?
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    Generally not from what I know. Which should really tell you something, shouldn't it?
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    On Motor week the dart went through all their test's. The braking distance was longer than the Pacifica. The Insurance Companies do rate some sporty cars higher. Our Neon and our PAC are both very low cost. I have no idea what a Dodge Dart would be. Maybe the first buyer on this forum might be willing to share that with us. In all insurance cost your driving record and credit score goes into the cost, so that too is something that depending on the driver and even what company you choose effect the real cost of insurance. You could go to NITSF and see how they rate the Dart.

    Don't misunderstand me I do like cars the size of the DD but I have a handicap that would make the Dart very diffiicult. So for me and all the things that go with me the PAC is the best. The mpg on the PAC is better than the Chevy Aveo or some of the other small cars. The thing that really adds up for us is the Lifetime PowerTrain Warranty. However it is not your lifetime, it's the value of the PAC lifetime that determines the lifetime part. Chrysler goes by the NADA retail value of the PAC and if the repair is higher than the value of the car they just pay you out based on the NADA. Now the NADA value is $ 12,775. thats after 5 years and 128, miles at this point.200
  • origsquigorigsquig Posts: 2
    I have been looking at new cars for 2 months now, and test drove many, many models. My 1st drive in the dart and I knew it was a great car. Now waiting for my limited to arrive in the next month or so. I see a lot of people nit picking here about stupid little things, they have many cup holders, they stop just fine in normal driving conditions, I don't race my cars. The layout is awesome, the tech is killler, it is a very fun to drive and easy to handle car. The one I ordered is loaded so I espect it will be even better then the ralley I tested. Good job Dodge. It compairs very well against the caddy ats.
  • origsquigorigsquig Posts: 2
    Global RallyCross Results: Round 4 Sylvania SilverStar zXe


    Finish

    Driver

    Car

    Team/Sponsor

    Brand


    1

    Travis Pastrana

    199

    Dodge/Red Bull Rallycross/Pastrana 199 Racing

    Dodge Dart


    2

    Samuel Hubinette

    77

    Eneos Oil

    Saab 9-3


    3

    Brian Deegan

    38

    Rockstar Energy Metal Mulisha Ford/OMSE

    Ford Fiesta


    4

    Tanner Foust

    34

    Rockstar Energy Etnies Ford/OMSE

    Ford Fiesta


    5

    Ken Block

    43

    Monster World Rally Team

    Ford Fiesta


    6

    Andy Scott

    26

    Scott-Eklund Racing

    Saab 9-3


    7

    Liam Doran

    33

    Monster Energy Citroen Racing

    Citroen C4


    8

    David Binks

    17

    eBay Motors Ford Fiesta

    Ford Fiesta


    9

    Stephan Verdier

    12

    Motorcity Disney XD/RMR

    Hyundai Veloster


    10

    Dave Mirra

    40

    Subaru Puma Rallycross/VSC

    Subaru WRX STi


    11

    Bucky Lasek

    81

    Subaru Puma Rallycross/VSC

    Subaru WRX Sti


    12

    Patrick Moro

    59

    PMR Motor Sports

    Subaru WRX Sti


    13

    Sverre Isachsen

    11

    Subaru Puma Rallycross/VSC

    Subaru WRX Sti


    14

    Richard Burton

    41

    Team 41

    Subaru WRX Sti
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    He beat Tanner Faust? Nice!

    I wonder if the SXT version will be a rally-style trim a-la WRX?
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    We saw a dart today, and it is far better than I imagined. Size wise it is bigger than the Ford Focus. The seats are very comfortable, dash is nicely layed out and fit and finish inside and out is very good. The sales person wanted us to take it for a drive, but it was 105 f outside so maybe another time when it is cooler. We really like the Dart, and if we were younger and circumstances were different we would buy one.
  • driver33driver33 Posts: 6
    The local dealer had 2 they just received. One SXT and one rallye. Both with the MultiAir Turbo and 6 speed manuals. Evidently most of the initial run of automatics are already spoken for.
    Car is very nice looking. The pictures do it justice. The rallye looked like the one in the ads.
    Anyway, I drove the SXT. Drives well, car is comfortable, seems well put together, and the materials in the interior seem very high quality, for the most part.
    Car handles well in around town situation and was extremely quiet in operation.
    I still think I'd give it a bit of time to see if there are any blatant issues but it seemed very sound in my brief testdrive.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,854
    edited July 2012
    have you seen the 2013 Nissan Altima? A nice looking car that supposedly has excellent road manners and all the bells and whistles--do you think people will cross shop with the Dart? If so, how will the Dart measure up do you think?

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  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    I am a solid Chrysler company man. By thst I mean only Chrysler made vehicles. So I have a bias. However, I am wondering why the Dart took so long coming out, it was delayed twice, and not only manual 6 speed, all made in Italy. (I mean the transmission) All have the same engine, basicly all at first were that red that some of us don't care for. There is a reason for they way they come out in the order they do. No automatics yet, but the dealer I have my pacifica worked on says it will be a while. Of the Dart's out there they are there to sell, and not many people like the 6 manual.

    I personally doubt we will buy one. However there seems to be a cautious way on how these Dart's are coming out. I read they are making 300 a day. I think it was Auto News that said the third shift started last Friday. ( at least I think so) I think there are a lot who want the 2.4 auto.

    Me personally do not like turbo's and I think there is a lot power from a small engine running at high RPM's. Time will tell what's going on at the plant making these nice looking Dart's.
  • driver33driver33 Posts: 6
    edited July 2012
    I have owned several Chrysler Corp, vehicles over the years. I have been overheard saying no more Chrysler products after having some issues with some. The Dart seemed to be a pretty compelling package but I am not going to be an early adopter on this one.
    I am in the market and will be buying something within a month. I am leaning towards a Mazda3 . I presently have a Mazda6 that has been a great car.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    I was actually planning on cross-shopping them, but I just drove that Altima this weekend, and while those seats are SUPER-comfy, the car just felt too big to me. That might just be me being used to compacts, but that's how I am. Too big, too much hood out in front. And no manual-shift mode for the CVT unless you get the V6, don't like that at all (among other fun applications, I use manual-shift mode in winter driving for engine-braking purposes..not having that is really REALLY bad) .
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    I'm currently trying to decide between a Dart and a 3 hatch. The Mazda drives incredibly well, and I love the tranny. Don't know how the Dart will stack up, waiting for a DCT to arrive, but at least they got the manual mode direction right. But Mazda's missing the advanced interior features, especially the electronic dashboard and touchscreen climate control stuff that Dodge has. Not to mention the rear camera (Mazda doesn't even have a radar based backup assist).

    I understand the 3 will get a USB port for 2013, as well as auto climate control on the iGT, that'll help balance things some. But the 100k warranty appeals to me too, given that I do 2000 miles a month.
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    Don't hold your breath on a hatch back. I think things are slow withthe Dart, the Rt is not happening for a good while according to allpar.com I read in autonews.com that the 6speed auto trans is being made by Hyundai as they have a transmission small enought to fit in the Dart. I am wondering if advertising whnt too far ahead of production, maybe a rush to produce them. However allpar.com reports they have sold 700 Darts with the stick and mostly in red. Maybe red is someones favorite color?

    Maybe full production might not be for sometime? Time will tell
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    I don't like that Hyundai transmission, didn't like it in the Elantra either. But that isn't being matched to the 1.4L, that's getting a 6 speed DCT instead. Except it doesn't seem to be around yet.

    And it does seem like all of the first run of these were red...a really nice metallic red, but red. All 1.4L MultiAir turbos. Apparently no 2.0L ones with the Hyundai automatic, and I have zero interest in that one anyway.

    I am wondering how the steering and suspension feels. It's supposed to be a cut above most compacts, up in Focus territory, which is pretty friggin close to Mazda3 territory. It would be good if we get another compact like that, show GM and Toyota what a REAL compact car is like.
  • I have driven a few of the 1.4 turbo Dart's with both SXT/Limited trim levels and found the overall car to be good for the price. The 1.4 has more torque than the Cruze's 1.4T but is not as smooth overall but the drivability is very good. The features for the price are also good. The SXT I drove was less than 21K...the Limited was 24k. None so far produced with the LED tailamps but have found them to be a $250.00 option. When you compare the Dart to the Focus or Mazda 3 it still shines a Focus Titanium w/18in wheels is 24k add a few options and 28k appears on the sticker and the 3 is stark and very basic in comparison but its chassis is excellent. Hopefully we can get a few comparisons to see how it ranks againt the competition. My first impression is that it will be among the best.
  • The transmission to get for this car is the 6 speed manual, it's really sweet. It's better in pretty much every way compared to either of the autos: better fuel economy, better performance, more fun, and cheaper to buy, so the autos don't make much sense here. It's got a nice tall overdrive 6th gear (.62 ratio) for highway MPGs and a nicely chosen set of ratios in the lower gears. It's nicer than the 5 speed in the Fiat 500 for sure. My local dealer only had the MT available to test drive, and I'm glad I did now after trying both this and the auto.

    Try it out, you'll like it. Save yourself a grand, some gas money through the life of the car, and have more fun driving it to boot!
  • dawadawa Posts: 1
    Drove a dart today not bad, underpowered w/ automatic, lots of road noise in cabin,hard on bumps,noticed steering wheel start to shimmy on acceleration above 75 mph,24k loaded with options,yesterday i drove optima,ultima,new malibu w/eco 4 cyl,all were unacceptable with cabin road noise,harsh over bumps,noisey 4 cyl motors,narrow seat backs,but the dart seemed the best of the lot,but allthese cars are way overpriced.
  • they sure don't make em like they used to.lol
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    For anyone who has bought a Dart, what kind of mpg do you get?
  • endur0endur0 Posts: 1
    I recently bought a dart rallye with the 6 speed and 1.4l in red lol. Very fun and sport. Actually has a pretty stiff suspension and handles corner very well. Tranny is very smooth and gearing is nice. It's a fun little compact and great on gas if you drive it right. Out of the dealership I got 20-22mpg city. I assumed they did not put in premium because with premium (91) I was getting 24+ city only. This car handles cruising speeds well. You lose all your mpg in shifting 1-3. Once you get 45 put it in 6th and just cruise at 35-40mpg and downshift when necessary.

    All in all, I test drove the elantra, forte koup, civic, and a mustang and this was by far the most fun and complete all around to drive. Sticker price was 23,390. I walked out of the dealership paying sub that total, think I knocked them down to <$21k with USAA/Chrysler/Military discounts. This model comes with almost all of the best options.
  • I bought a red Dart Rallye last week with the 6 speed manual and it drives and sounds great. I actually look forward to driving this car which is not something I can say about the 2011 Elantra I had. If you are looking at cars in this category, take a test drive. This car feels more like a mid size European car with great handling and the suspension soaks up the bumps. Although the engine is small, it really pulls and the gears are spaced perfectly in the 6 speed. A lot of car for 22k. In one week, I had 10 people ask me what kind of car it was and told me it looks great. Absolutely the best car I had in years.
  • Very pleased with performance and tech package - fun to drive!

    ***Only down side so far is that with no rear windshield wiper a rear view vision problem occurs when driving on snowy winter roads with the salt spray drying on rear window. Fortunately this is something that does not happen too often (I hope).
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,663
    edited December 2012
    I have yet to see one of these cars on the road down here in car crazy South Florida...not a one! Don't understand it but from the pics of the dash that I have seen, this is not even a car I'd consider buying no matter the price...just looks so inferior to what the competition offers. But maybe one day I'll go for a test drive just to see for myself. But hell, haven't seen a one yet on the roads!

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

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