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2013 Hyundai Elantra GT

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  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    If I can wait that long I'll be getting one too. Then again, if I can't wait there's always the Veloster Turbo, depending on how the MPGs work out. They're estimating 38 MPG highway for the manual.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    Ok, just got back from the NY Auto Show, where they had both the Veloster Turbo and the Elantra GT for me to drool over. And then I looked at the info sheet for the GT. Particularly the last part:

    Style Package:
    * 17 inch alloy wheels
    * Sport tunes suspension
    * Panoramic Sunroof
    * Front side mirrors with turn signals.
    * Leather seats, steering wheel, shift knob
    * Power seats
    * Aluminum pedals
    * One touch up driver's window

    Technology Package:
    * Requires Style Package
    * Nav
    * Rear camera
    * Auto climate control
    * Smart key (or whatever Hyundai calls it)
    * Automatic headlights

    So basically, in order to get any of the cool options, you must also get the monsterous panoramic sunroof. And that's one thing that I was most definitely not impressed with. It's too big, the design forces the front to retract over the rear, it's heavy, it's likely that it'll heat up the car quite a bit in the sun, and the only shading is a thin piece of fabric that acts as a blackout shade, and it's over an inch from the glass. As well as being a bit cheap. I'd really prefer to avoid that sunroof if I can but they're also requiring a panoramic sunroof on the Veloster Turbo in order to get the rear camera (luckily that's adding a much smaller amount of glass). Did someone at Hyundai get a discount on sunroof glass or something?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    You mean not even the leather-covered wheel and shift knob are standard on the GT, as on the old one? No sport-tuned suspension standard, as on the old one? Not even a one-touch-up driver's window standard?? That's a really basic GT! What's "GT" about it? :confuse:

    I don't need nav/rear camera/auto climate/smart key/auto headlights/aluminum pedals/power seat/leather seats/panoramic sunroof. But I wouldn't mind the turn signals in the mirrors (safety), sport tuned suspension (but with 16" wheels), one-touch-up windows, and leather wheel/shifter. At least maybe the base price will be pretty reasonable, as de-contented as it is.

    Did you see anything about the GT that you LIKED?
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    Driving position, dash, center stack design, steering wheel, back seat room, seat comfort, cargo capacity. I just don't like the way they're packaging the options, partially because I REALLY don't like the panoramic sunroof. I like sunroofs in general but I think the panoramic one is overkill.

    Guess we can hope there will be some non-package options, but the GT's auto climate is supposed to come with automatic humidity control, which I DO want, along with the smart key and the power leather seats (what can I say, I spend over 2 hours a day in the car).

    Supposedly the GT gets a sportier suspension tune than the sedan by default, and the optional "sport" suspension should really be called "sportier suspension." Supposedly.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    Guess we can hope there will be some non-package options...

    Not likely except for stuff that can be added by the dealer like a Homelink mirror, mudflaps etc.

    From what I've read, including your eyewitness report, it appears the GT will come with adjustable steering feel standard, but not the sport-tuned suspension. Which if true is... odd.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    on hyundaiusa.com. I priced out the GT with no options except floor mats, Volcanic Red with beige interior (yessss!), and the pricer said Total MSRP = $18,490 with the note, "Total MSRP includes freight charges and current customer rebate." However, it showed freight charge as 0 (also rebate was 0). Hmmm. I hope the total is only $18,490 including freight, that would be very reasonable for a car with its equipment level, which includes:

    * 6 speed manual
    * 16" alloys
    * DSSM (driver selectable steering mode)
    * fog lights
    * remote keyless entry
    * 7 airbags
    * tilt/telescope steering column with audio and cruise on the wheel
    * Blue Link telematics
    * Bluetooth
    * 6 speaker stereo with satellite radio and USB/aux inputs
    * heated front seats (!)
    * sliding center armrest
    * lots more

    So pretty much everything I need, except I wouldn't mind leather wheel/shifter and turn signals in the mirrors. Also noted something weird on the options: driver's auto up window is part of a $2750 package! C'mon, how much can that cost to add? Even my 2010 Sentra S has that feature!
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    In order to get any of the option stuff at all you have to get that monstrous sunroof. Given how thin the shade is for it, it's not going to block any solar heating of the car. I want nothing to do with it, which means i won't be considering one. On the other hand, the Veloster isn't quite as bad about forcing the sunroof down your throat to get "stuff" and said sunroof is smaller anyway. Of course, there's a lot of glass area on the hatch itself...
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    Well, fortunately all the stuff I really have to have is standard, so I don't need to worry about any packages. Can't wait until they arrive at dealers so I can drive one. Hopefully there'll be more MTs in the mix than for the sedans--those are impossible to find in my area. When I find one, it's sold by the time I can get to the dealership to drive it.

    One thing I like is that the red/beige combo is available on the GT. That combo is not available on some other hatches e.g. Mazda3i.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    Ok, two points of reference here: I currently drive an Elantra Touring that I need to redline to get any power, an with a transmission that sometimes likes to stop and think before it shifts. Before that, I drove a red 2004 Mazda3 with verve, passion, and quite a lot of joy. Supposedly this is Hyundai's target with the new GT.

    They missed.

    The car drives well enough. Shifts smoothly, takes corners reasonably flat, and Hyundai's getting better at putting feel in their steering. The engine is definitely short of torque, particularly at the low end, and you can feel it. You have to rev it up to get a quick power surge, and it's difficult to maintain some speeds on an uphill grade without downshifting. I honestly didn't notice any difference between the indy rear on the Touring and the torsion beam on the GT, which means they either did a good job on the GT, or a bad job on the Touring. Or maybe a little bit of both.

    Is it more fun than the Touring or a Corolla? Yeah. Is it to the level of a Mazda3 or Focus? No, it's still far short. This one didn't have the upgraded "sport" suspension, but it would have to be a LOT more "sport" to make a difference. The car is competent, but if Hyundai wants to play in the zoom-zoom crowd they need to keep practicing. And maybe put in the 2.0L DI version of the Nu. Or even the 1.6L Gamma-T. But they need to find some low-end torque somewhere.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    I wouldn't be surprised to see the 1.6L Turbo in the GT pretty soon. It's a natural fit for the car, for folks like you who need more power and torque to go with the looks.

    Did you drive the automatic or stick? It appears it was the automatic. The stick might provide more responsiveness.

    How much feel did the steering have on the highway? That is a problem with electric steering on many cars.

    How was the ride? How did it handle bumps and transitions? Floaty or buttoned down on the highway?

    What options if any were on the car? Or was it a base model, no packages?

    Did you check out the rear seat? How was the leg room and head room?

    Me, I'm mostly after the FE, utility, and a nice interior. IMO the GT's interior is light years ahead that of the Mazda3's, from photos at least. Plus the fold-flat rear seats for lots of hauling room. But the Mazda3 is a blast to drive, especially with the stick.

    BTW... any car would be more fun to drive than a Corolla. :P
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    Yeah I don't drive sticks. For one thing I spend too many mornings stuck in rush hour traffic to put up with a stick. For the second, I tend to do 1.5 miles on the treadmill before driving home, and I have enough trouble getting one leg to work then, two is out of the question. :shades:

    This model was a complete base setup, no options at all. Worse, it was white, which means I wasn't going to buy it anyway. The steering was accurate, but didn't have any feel, even when dialed into sport. It had heft, but no feel, definitely 100% disconnected from the road. The suspension felt mostly buttoned down, and not really floaty (thank god), but I could feel the back end not liking some bumps. The disconcerting thing was having to downshift on a 5 degree grade at 35 MPH, it couldn't hold speed in sixth.

    I had checked out the rear seat at the NY Auto show, it's about as roomy as the Dart's, give or take, depends on what notch the front seat is on. I found both to be tolerable, but not as roomy as an Impreza. But one thing really bothered me: the highway part of the test drive, I could NOT get the instant MPG meter to show more than 35 MPG, even drafting a semi at 65 MPH. At a steady 70 MPH the engine was turning 2500 RPM, but was showing 33 MPG. After break in it might do better at 65, but people who do 65 on the highways here get nasty looks at best.

    I agree, the interior is excellent, though I generally prefer a 3 spoke wheel over a 4 spoke (I'm used to steering from the bottom with my right hand just off center, can't do that on a 4-spoke). The cargo area is why I usually hold out for hatches, the Dart is the first car with a trunk that I've even considered in a long time (not counting the leftover Cruze one dealer tried to throw at me). At least the Dart and Cruze have pretty big trunks but given how short the decklids are I wonder why they bothered, and didn't just make them hatches anyway.

    Bottom line, it's a decent car but I don't think it's the right one for me. My next car, I want grins like the ones I had with my old 2004 Mazda3. :shades:
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    The disconcerting thing was having to downshift on a 5 degree grade at 35 MPH, it couldn't hold speed in sixth.

    And that surprises you?? I'm amazed the car would even go into 6th gear at 35 mph. Think about it... you wouldn't even TRY to put the car into 6th gear at 35 mph if it were a stick. Fourth probably, maybe 5th depending on the gearing... but 6th? Never.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    They should be able to lock out 6th below a certain speed. Of course, city mileage might take a slight hit...
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    They should be able to lock out 6th below a certain speed.

    They can... or actually, you can. It's a shiftable automatic.

    But this is one reason I am looking for a 6MT in my next car. Automatics are getting too "smart" in a way. The focus is all on fuel efficiency, not responsiveness. Although I think even on the Elantra's automatic, it's a "learning" box so if you tend to drive more aggressively over time, it will change the shift points. Not sure about that, but I know prior Hyundai automatics were like that. On a short test drive, I doubt the automatic would be able to adapt to the driver.

    And of course the MT is more fun, unless one has to fight heavy traffic every day which it seems you do. The Mazda3's 6MT is really sweet. The GT's will need to be pretty great to match it.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    Unfortunately, Hyundai used one of those shiftable automatics with a mind of its own, that decides to shift if it doesn't like what you're doing.

    The Dart does that too in the DCT, but I'm hoping they remove that "feature." Mazda's SKyActiv tranny just holds at redline, as a just transmission should. I may end up back in a 3 at this rate...and I'll be kicking myself if the engine grenades at 74k just like last time...
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    Turns out the $18,490 price per Hyundai's build-your-own site was a mistake. They've fixed the site now and it adds the freight charge, so a GT with no options except floor mats lists for $19,240. Still not too bad, but not nearly as good a deal as $18,490 would have been! Just a bit more than a sedan with the Preferred package. It's about $800 less than a Mazda3i Touring hatch, but with more equipment. About the same as a Focus SE hatch, but there's more discounts available on the Focus plus I get Ford Partner pricing.

    Now to find a GT to drive... there don't seem to be any in my area yet. I did see a rare stick Elantra sedan today while scouting the lot of my local Hyundai dealer, and in my fav color for the sedan, Desert Bronze. So those MT Elantras DO exist!
  • tenpin288tenpin288 Posts: 804
    Here is a quick review by Automobile magazine online...

    2013 Elantra GT Review
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    A long review but very short on what the car is like to actually DRIVE. :(

    I wish these reviews would spend fewer words on what the car looks like, which is subjective anyway and everyone can see for themselves, and the raw specs of the car, which everyone can read for themselves, and more on what it's like to sit in and drive the car.

    I wonder if that 0-60 in "low 7 seconds" was with the as-tested automatic, or a stick? I'd be surprised if it's the automatic.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    So would I. My patented Derrier-o-meter (TM) says more like 9 seconds with the automatic. You need to include the second or two it takes to go out and find some torque.

    Bottom line is that it's sportier than a Corolla or Cruze. If that's what they targeted, they did OK. If they were targeting the Focus or Mazda3, they fell well short.

    Hyundai's Achilles heel is their steering: it sucks. Yeah, they can make it light or heavy, and they've improved on-center feel, but it's definitely 100% physically disconnected from the road. I don't know how they managed it, torque converter, rubber band, or a lawn-gnome-and-pinion, but the eeriest thing in the world is a car that starts moving sideways on you while the wheel is dead straight and still in your hands.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,681
    Well, Hyundai has the Focus and Mazda3 beaten in other ways, so maybe it's like the Automobile review said, i.e. they are targeting the large number of buyers who want a car for cargo room, feature content etc., not for negotiating mountain passes.

    But if the GT "starts moving sideways on you while the wheel is dead straight and still in your hands", it won't be in my driveway! The Elantra sedan doesn't even do that. Maybe the GT you tested had an alignment problem?
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