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2013 Subaru Outback

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  • 2013ob2013ob Posts: 13
    edited July 2012
    I wont be towing anything of major weight. I have a Coleman VersaTrailer (kinda a cult following early 1980's trailer that is hard to find)

    http://www.versatrailer.us/VERSA/CUSTOMERS/COLEMAN%20VERSA%20CARGO%20TRAILER.htm- - - -

    It has a curb weight of 290lbs and we load it up with camping gear or use to hall multch, ect. Maybe 500 lbs fully loaded. It has a fiberglass cover that latches down to cover everything inside.

    No plans on towing anything of larger. The Class III Curt (13990) is a well built hitch and goes on 90% of all Outbacks that use Road N Rack for hitch installs in the Salt Lake City Valley. Outbacks are EVERYWHERE in Utah. Cant drive a block without seeing at a few.

    Oh yea, the 2013 (at least the Limited 2.5i w/Special Appearance) has a push button start---no key. There is a key to open the door that is tucked into the remote but no physical key to start the car.

    I had my 2012 2.5i Premium through deep snow, up the Cottonwood Canyons (I live in the Salt Lake City Valley), drove it up to 11,000 feet near Brian Head Utah---no issues. It scoots along just fine at high elevations but I did drop it into 4th when climbing at times---advantage of the CVT. I ditched my Lincoln Navigator for the 2013 OB. We have a Mazda CX7 in the family (getting rid of that for a 2013 CX-5 or the 2013 Subaru CrossTrek in December) which is a great little car---nice turbo power!! Im breaking away from the large SUVs (always owned them) and going a little more greener these days.
  • Rsholland- I was thinking of the '13 ob mostly bc of the climb from parowan to Brian head, so you felt no troubles with the 2.5l car struggling? My current car barely makes it every time, so that hill is my major concern in deciding between a 2.5 or the 3.6. . Thanks!
  • 2013ob2013ob Posts: 13
    I would say if its power you want, go for the 3.6. I had no issues climbing to Brian Head whatsoever in my 2012 2.5i Premium. The great thing about the paddle shifters is when you need a little extra boost, its there. I put in manual mode when I climb mountains or passes. I havent played in the mountains with my 2013 yet but I anticipate no issues. The CVT is WAY smoother and lower end performance is definately a noticeable difference between the 2013 and 2012. Driving style adapting to the environment is the best way I can describe driving the 2012/2013 Outbacks with the manual mode option. Climbing big mountains, manual mode. Putting around town or on the highway, automatic. Want a little extra boost entering the freeway or passing, paddle shift down to a lower gear. You can use the paddle shifters while in auto mode---another great feature.

    Im averaging 26 mpg on my 2013 with a mix of highway and city driving---thats with 450 miles on the clock so far. I noticed on my 2012 the MPG increased after the break in time---who knows if that was true or not but just something I noticed or it may have been my driving style. I was averaging about 24 mpg mixed when I got rid of it last month.

    In my observations of Outbacks in the Salt Lake Valley and Park City area, I would say over 90% or more are 2.5's. Different strokes for different folks.
  • placervilleplacerville Posts: 3
    edited July 2012
    First, congrats on your purchase. My wife and I (Placerville, CA) just looked at the very same model and color Subaru today, and we agree with you regarding the changes between the '12 and '13. We are ready to buy but, we have a question about the Navigation system. To date, we've not had one in a vehicle or even a portable device. We're concerned about some threads we've read (on other sites) regarding the quality of the Subaru Nav. system. In short, most feel they stink. One comment was that, for the most part, all factory supplied Nav. systems are problematic and that the aftermarket Garmins and TomTom's are always much better. I watched a dealer demonstrating the system on YouTube and one of the comments was that updates are offered every 4 years. Seems odd. Do you have a Nav. system in your new Sabaru? If so, what do you think of it. Thank you in advice for your reply.
  • 2013ob2013ob Posts: 13
    edited July 2012
    The 2013 OB 2.5i Limited navigation is a new generation of navigation--not in previous models so there is are very few people who have reviewed it on the 2013's. Yes, I have it but havent the opportunity to use it but will give it a shot of the weekend and see how it works. Everything I have read online indicates there are no issues with the navi system. This is my first vehicle with built in navigation. I like not having cables run down my dash, forgetting the windshield suction cup, or forgetting the power charger--this has happened to me a handful of times while traveling--forgetting something in one of my other vehicles, leaving parts in a back pack, or having it come unsucked from the windshield and falling over the car---these Im sure are common for portable navigation owners including myself. Less risk for someone breaking into your car to steal your navigation that is left in the window--which is common. The Special Appearence Package had it standard so I was fine with getting it. I have a Garmin and Wave (iPhone Ap)--which both are usually in my car at any given time so if the OB Navagation fails me, I have back up. I have had a Garmin for quite a few years--it has caused a few issues for me in the past but its hard to get lost in America these days so I made it through it! :-) I dont believe that the navigation is updated every 4 years, since it gives the option to check and download the latest software. Being in the software/electronic business, its common practice these days to provide updates to technology on a regular basic--I would say every few months rather than 1x every 4 years. I highly doubt Subaru would use a 3rd party nav system that only updated the software every 4 years. I like the layout of the HK audio and the navigation---I always have it in split screen--my ipod/iphone data on the left, gps running on the right (my 6 year old likes to see the car driving down the streets on the GPS so I have it on split screen all the time)--you can switch the view with a touch of the screen for full screen of either. Its cool that my contacts are downloaded from my phone into the system as well. In conclusion, the 2013 OB is a refined vehicle over the previous years models, including its audio and navigation system and I would be comfortable purchasing it. Im a week into ownership of the 2013 OB and all is well and happy with my purchase.
  • triumphertriumpher Posts: 58
    I just purchased a 2013 Outback. I have the 2.5i permium Version (I need a manual gearbox, because I want to tow it behind a motorhome) with the cold waehter package and the homelink/ autodimming mirror.

    I replaced my 2003 Outback Limited with the new vehicle. I have to say that it is a difference like night and day between these two Outbacks.. The new one is much bigger/taler nd has a more SUV like feeling than the old Outback.

    I can't say much about the driving, cause it has only 57 miles on the clock as of now.

    I got this vehicle through my employers purchasing plan (my employer is one of the largest companies in the US) and paied $1500 under dealer invoice. Included in this deal is a lifelong powertrain warranty, 10 free oilchanges at the dealer, and lifelong free car washes at any of the dealers locations.

    I traded my old vehicle in (120 k miles on the clock) for $5000.
  • godeacsgodeacs Posts: 481
    I have to ask, did you bring a gun to the dealership?.... $1500 under invoice? Lifetime power train warranty? 10 free oil changes? Lifetime free car washes? How the heck does this dealership stay in business? I was offered $100 under invoice (which I thought was great for a 2013), and that's it!

    Absolutely amazing...enjoy the ride!

    PS I have to ask: who is the dealer and where are they?
  • 2013ob2013ob Posts: 13
    My 1st thought this is part of the "fleet pricing" that organizations can leverage locally--as I did with my 2012 OB and the company I worked for.
  • placervilleplacerville Posts: 3
    edited July 2012
    My wife and I just picked up our new '13 Outback 2.5i Limited w/special appearance package today. Prior to our purchase, we did extensive research and settled on an offer from Consumer Reports, which was, for $14 they give you the dealers invoice and a suggested 'Good', 'Better' and 'Best' type pricing suggestion. Three dealers in our area were contacted (on our behalf) by CR. All three contacted us immediately. Two were inept and one was a pro. Their best offer: $1,700 under dealer invoice. They said they didn't have our selection on their lot and would have to find the car at a sister dealership. But, if they couldn't, they'd order it at no additional cost. We were impressed. They called later and said they'd found it.

    Prior to the CR excersise, we'd been to a local dealer for a test drive. The sales manager told us, "We'll beat any price you can find" and then he suggested that a purchase deal through Costco could get us a great price, "Invoice + $500" he said. Well, we ended up taking our CR deal (in writing) from the other dealer to our local dealer and, although they seemed aghast at the price, they honored it. Because we felt like we got a very attractive price, we did not hold them to their, "We'll beat any price" comment. We did not bite on any 'post sale' offers of extended warranties, special coatings etc.

    Regarding the above comment from the other gentleman about his 'free power train warranty for life' that he received. I'm sorry, but I just don't believe that. No automobile manufacture could offer, let alone honor, such a warranty. Now, if he purchased an extended power train warranty, I'll listen to that. Some free oil changes and car washes? That's fine.
  • carteachcarteach Posts: 179
    I have to ask, did you bring a gun to the dealership?.... $1500 under invoice? Lifetime power train warranty? 10 free oil changes? Lifetime free car washes? How the heck does this dealership stay in business? I was offered $100 under invoice (which I thought was great for a 2013), and that's it!

    The factor you're not considering is the trade in. Dealers can make up their "loss" on the sale of the car with what they give on the trade-in.

    I will sell my car on my own and am looking for the prices people paid who did not trade in a car.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, but he still got $5k for a 120k mile vehicle. I think he did quite well...
  • 2013ob2013ob Posts: 13
    I paid $500.00 under invoice for my 2013 2.5i Limited--Special Appearance Package. I paid $30,997.00 and MSRP was $34,126.00. After we got down to a price, I traded in my 2005 Lincoln Navigator with 78k on the clock and in very good condition ($10,500.00 on the trade). I didnt bring up I had a trade-in until we came to a mutual agreement on the OB. I got $10,500.00 on my Navigator was the "fair value" trade in. I didnt want to mess with selling my Navigator as a private party, considering large SUV's are declining on price and market is softening for tanks. I got a couple free oil changes and car wash at the dealership for life. It was my 2nd Outback from the same dealership.
  • carteachcarteach Posts: 179
    I think the point I'm trying to make is this. If you get "fair" value is it "fair" based on say Edmunds value of what the car is worth to a dealer as opposed to what you could sell it for on the market?

    More than once I've gone to trade in a car after I've negotiated the price on the new car, and have been given offers way below market value. So even though it's a major hassle, I will try to sell my Acura on my own. Thus I'm interested in prices without the variable of the trade in value.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Congrats.

    I'm sure you save... now this is an estimate so don't quote me, approximately $875.43 in fuel alone each week. :D
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,396
    Hahahaha! That's probably not too far off, juice.

    I really like the special appearance package. If I could get that with a manual transmission, it might almost make the Outback an attractive option.
  • 2013ob2013ob Posts: 13
    Yea, that Navigator averaged about 12.5mpg. I work from home and dont drive a lot but those $100.00 fill up's I dont miss.

    I have a Porsche C4 993 and that used to be the most fuel efficient vehicle I own---probably get 16 mpg in that car---its not a Sunday driver!! Its a sports car and meant to be driven like one! :-)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Porsche C4 993 and that used to be the most fuel efficient vehicle I own

    That is funny...
  • It is Morries Subaru in Brooklyn park, MN. They want to get into business with my employer.
  • Yes, the power train warranty is an extended warranty paid for by the dealer. I am in a similar situation as you are, my shopping was done by the purchasing department of my employer, and this dealer want's to get foot into the door with them.
  • I did not have a trade in, I sold my 2003 to a private person,
  • vincergvincerg Posts: 6
    edited August 2012
    Hello too all:

    I just purchased a 2013 Outback w/ the 3.6L engine. Does anyone know if this year is the same as the 2012 as far as the air filter goes. I always buy an K&N filter for my cars but K&N hasn't listed the filter for 2013 as of yet. Thought I could save myself some time if last year was the same. Thank you in advance for any help anyone can provide.

    Vince
  • 2013ob2013ob Posts: 13
    I would think so. To the best of my knowledge, the engines are indentical on the 3.6L for 2012 and 2013.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Outback 9,282 +10.9%
    Venza 3,995 -8.1%
    CrossTour 1,874 _37.5%
  • placervilleplacerville Posts: 3
    edited August 2012
    The new Outback comes with both an automatic and manual transmission in the same vehicle. Leave the stick in D and it's an automatic. Push it into M and it's a manual and all the shifting is done with the paddle shifters on the steering wheel.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,761
    Push it into M and it's a manual and all the shifting is done with the paddle shifters on the steering wheel.

    I don't know - that's like making out with your cousin. Yeah it's kind of the same thing but in the end you just feel ashamed to admit you did it.

    :blush:
  • rubi471rubi471 Posts: 1
    Dear placerville, what market are you in? My husband and I live in Denver and we just started researching subaru outback in our area.
  • I have another car with a real paddle shifter (dual clutch system), and I can assure you, the Outback will not even come close to a manual transmission!. The paddel shifter allows you to "shift" into the preset spots of the CVT, but you cannot skip shift points, it is a sequential system in either up or down mode!
  • peraltaperalta Posts: 94
    Yes you can skip a shift point in a subaru by doing 2 quick tugs to the paddle, I assume you haven't tried that one yet.
  • It is still sequential! Going through a singel shift very fast does not change it. it will never be a real manual shift system, always a wanna be only!
  • I'm shopping for a new vehicle to replace my beloved Mazda5; I'll be going for an AWD this time (better for those snowy holiday road trip from New England to visit family in the Great Lakes). I love how Mazdas drive. With the suspension improvements, is the Outback fun to drive? (reviews consistently stated that the 2012 wasn't that great).

    Would it compare to the CX-5? Subaru has the best AWD, but I don't want to put up with a car that's not much fun to drive. Conversely, how is the AWD in the Mazda, in your opinion? Thanks for any advice....
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