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Driverless Cars

steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,144
edited May 29 in General
What seemed to be a pipe dream just a few years ago may be reality in 3 to 5 years.

Going to be fun working the bugs out of these.

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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,144
    "California's state Senate approved a bill last month to allow road-testing of driverless cars. California joined Nevada, which passed similar legislation in March and licensed the nation's first self-driving vehicles in May. At least four more states — Arizona, Hawaii, Florida and Oklahoma — are considering legalizing autonomous vehicles.

    Proponents of self-driving cars say the vehicles can reduce accidents, clear traffic congestion, lower emissions and transport blind or disabled people. Critics argue that the technology is unproven and could be unsafe."

    Auto industry speeds toward driverless cars (Detroit News)

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  • lostwrench1lostwrench1 Ct.Posts: 476
    I see driverless cars everyday with the person sitting behind the wheel texting or fiddling with their cell phone.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,144
    LOLOL.

    Quote of the Day. :D

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,560
    You beat me to it. I invite anyone to come to the Bellevue-Redmond area...at times, maybe half the cars have no actual driver, just a warm pile of atoms sitting in the drivers seat making a random input now and then.
  • fezofezo Posts: 9,328
    We've had driverless cars in my area for decades. On closer inspection you see a pair of hands on the wheel and sometimes can catch the top of a hat at about the level of the bottom of the "driver's" window.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,144
    edited June 2012
    That was me at my first traffic stop. At 13. Cop couldn't see anyone driving when he went past. Another decade or so and that'll be me again.

    I've been on a few long stretches of road where you set the cruise at the speed limit and occasionally nudge the wheel with your knee (I-94 in Eastern Montana for example). If the car was driving itself, I could be scanning the horizon with my binocs, looking for antelope.

    Usually I'm having too much fun just looking at the scenery go by. Maybe if I had a longing, boring commute every day, this tech would be handy.

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  • au1994au1994 Posts: 767
    Not for me. Not ever.

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  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    Driverless cars be used as a traffic "fine" punishment.

    If you cause an at-fault accident, you must let Google do the driving for you for 1-year.

    If you can go the following 5 years (after the year of punishment) without an at fault accident, then you start over. If you have another accident in those 5 years, then you get punished with a driverless car for 5 years, again, needing to prove yourself for 5 years to start the cycle over at 1 year punishment again.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,144
    edited September 2012
    And they'll drive better than you can.

    So says Dan Neil.

    "The danger will come not from auto-piloted vehicles but from the holdouts, those drivers who for whatever reason rely on the faulty, flimsy wetware between their ears. What will be normative? Should manually operated vehicles be the ones to give way? Or should autopilot cars (with special running lights) be especially deferential to their inferior human counterparts?

    Nobody cares about driving anymore.

    Give people a button that says "Home" and I guarantee they will push it."

    Who's Behind the Wheel? Nobody (Wall St. Journal)

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,560
    Not viable until infrastructure improves and software is perfected for all conditions. I'm not holding my breath.

    That being said, a lot of "drivers" should be forced into such cars.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,159
    Got to ask, are consumers really asking for this, or are we just throwing more tax monies around in the name of stimulus? Wonder if the gov figures that once they control the car, then they get access to your personal info off of it. That means it will be easier to insert tolls, tax by mileage and maybe even provide insurers all of your info? George Orwell was just a few decades ahead of time!
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,560
    Some use Orwell as an instruction manual rather than a warning.

    It's a lot deeper than stimulus. It's control. I'd also worry about data breaches - some idiot upper manager loses a laptop on a flight, a few million people have their info compromised, and the manager ends up with another promotion towards a huge pension.
  • mtnman1mtnman1 Westerville, OhioPosts: 382
    It will be a sad day when the pleasure of driving is taken from us. Just as bad as having electric cars eventually jammed down our throats. Our Government is becoming more and more oppressive. Eventually we will all drive shoebox sized dull cars driven by computer taking us home to our 800 square foot government mandated apartments.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,144
    I can think of a lot of fun roads that probably won't see pavement in the next 20 years, much less lane avoidance systems.

    On the other hand, commuting on a crowded freeway twice a day isn't what I'd call pleasure driving.

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  • fezofezo Posts: 9,328
    And it's just gonna kill hitchhiking.....
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,187
    It'll also kill traffic violations, so governments will have to find new sources of revenue. And insurance companies will too.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,560
    edited September 2012
    Very good point - kills revenue gouging streams for both often less than responsible and accountable groups. Big reason why it might not happen.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    I've done lots of long road trips with my family and I'd love to have driverless cars...at least on the interstates. I think it would be great to enter a highway, punch in your exit, then take a nap, watch a movie or just relax. Then take the controls back when exiting.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,560
    I think it has a time and place, and I have nothing against it really - so long as it doesn't become mandated (and then tracked in a way that would make Orwell cry). And IMO, many "drivers" should have their inputs limited.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    Probably 100 years in the future when all transportation is automated, they'll look back to now and wonder why people even wanted to drive their own car.

    Sort of like cave men saying it would be crazy not to be able to go out hunting every day to kill their dinner. Why would anyone want to just go to a restaurant and be given food. Cave men would say that the government is taking away people's ability to go out and hunt for food.

    Can people hunt today...sure. But it's restricted by time and location. In the future it might be the same for driving. If you drive on public roads then the cars will drive themselves because it improves safety, efficiency, MPG, etc...but for the minority (like hunters) who want to drive for entertainment, then there will be private locations where they can take their vintage cars and drive around.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,560
    In some ways, that is not all bad. I would sacrifice driving inputs on my evening commute, if it would speed things up. There's no fun to be had on those roads in traffic, anyway - especially with the dumbed down local driving dynamic.

    But at late evening or on a Sunday, I want to do things myself. I don't know if cavemen got the same enjoyment out of hunting that some of us get from driving. Maybe autonomous cars can be programmed to deal with manually driven vehicles/motorcycles/bicycles - they will have to interact with pedestrians too.
  • mtnman1mtnman1 Westerville, OhioPosts: 382
    That willl be a sad day. I want to drive my car when and where I want to drive it any time any day. Maybe and only maybe during the height of rush hour around a major city. When I am out on the open road whether it be 4 lane interstate or 2 lane country roads I want to dirve a car with horsepower I choose and under my control. Hopefully it will take at least 30 years. If I'm still alive I will be 86 and it won't matter. Then I will just remember the good old days when a man could by a Mustang, Camaro, or Challenger with the most horsepower available without government interference.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,560
    edited September 2012
    I can't imagine it being anything less than a good 30 years. Remember, the people implementing the tech are paid by the hour, and results don't matter.

    Today probably will be a "good old days" in terms of performance. New cars lack the style of older cars, but they have unparalleled reliability and ease of maintenance compared to the classic muscle days.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,159
    Well let's see, over the past decade the gov has decided to change our light bulbs without asking what we want (and big surprise, the new bulbs don't seem to be performing anywhere near what was promised!), start sticking us with E85 ethanol despite warnings about it hurting our vehicles and driving down our gas mileage, , give more and more of our decision making to insurance companies and god knows what else. Now they want to take over our control of our personal vehicles. The scary part is that this is happening from BOTH damn parties. It's about industry lobbying, money and control. Congress doesn't care about we want except for some lip service at election time. The rest of the time the treat us like they were part of a monarchy coronation and we're under their control and ownership.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    Yes, the gold old days of the black air of Pittsburgh or L.A. in the 70s, ddt sprayed on our fields, companies polluting where ever they want, etc...I'm driving a car getting 50mpg with 10 times more reliable than anything made in the 70s and a lot safer...I love it!
  • mtnman1mtnman1 Westerville, OhioPosts: 382
    I am not talking about the 70's. I'm talking about todays cars. I Love the idea that at my age I can buy a Toyota Highlander AWD Limited that gets 23.5 mpg and pollutes the hell out of everything. I laugh everytime it gets under these eco nuts skin. But seriously I will probably be long gone before the infrastructure is available to do this reliably. Hopefully it will be confined to the Eco nuts state of Choice California or NY.
  • victor23victor23 Posts: 201
    ...before the infrastructure is available...

    Don't hold your breath. It took just about five years to screw up all our new cars with mandatory electronic stability control, and to make us pay for that in the process.
  • victor23victor23 Posts: 201
    edited October 2012
    Actually, I would love a bit of "unwarranted" government encroachment upon some of our "liberties". To force people to learn driving seriously, in professional schools, and not just with a little help of your parent or friend. To mandate tough driver testing. To remove kids, geezers and loonies from behind the driving wheel. To enact and enforce tough distraction bans (phones, texting, anything). To nurture more common sense and personal responsibility. Then maybe we wouldn't need mandating anything driveless.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,144
    "Get the cost down, figure out who's liable when two autonomous vehicles collide, and give us a button that returns control to the driver on fast mountain roads but lets the car do all the work in heavy traffic, and we're in!"

    NHTSA Studying Self-Driving Cars, Talking to State DMVs (Inside Line)

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