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2013 Ford Escape

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  • Ordered my AWD Titanium on 9/26, received on 10/30. Options were moon roof and parking package (wanted BLIS and B/U camera - had to get park assist too), no nav system. So far very happy! We've not had any problems with the vehicle. First 1700 miles overall about 25 MPG. I'm new to the Escape as well but not to Ford (1971 Pinto, 1981 Escort, 1998 Merc Mountaineer and 2008 Fusion).
  • cmunizcmuniz Posts: 604
    edited November 2012
    I noticed that Ford recommends using premium on the 2.0T. Is there any downside to using regular in terms of performance or gas mileage?
  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    edited November 2012
    They recommend premium fuel for towing or conditions where more horsepower is needed, such as mountainous driving. I've been using a quality 87 octane fuel since day one with no power or economy issues.
  • mikeo56mikeo56 Posts: 16
    edited November 2012
    I too have been a lurker here for about 7 weeks, 6 weeks ago I ordered my SEL 1.6 FWD with the 302A package Platinum White Tri Coat, those Ruby Red ones look really nice but at the lot I noticed any scratches stand out so we went with White, with Tan Leather, should get it anytime.
    I will report mileage ect. when we get it.
    Do you guys drive around town until broken in or get it out on the HWY?
  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    You'll probably get many opinions, so I'll give you mine. Drive it like you would everyday. During the initial break in period, take it out on one or two 200 mile Sunday freeway road trips and enjoy the drive. Vary the speed between 55 and 75-85 and once or twice take it up to 100 or so. Drive some two lane roads that have varying speed limits and a few towns you have to slow down and stop. Stop and buy something from a small town business and have a home cooked meal at a small cafe. Of course, all of this is just a suggestion, but it worked for me.
  • Here's a summary of what I've read when I researched this question: 87 and 91 octane fuel has the same energy content. No effect on MPG. There's a minor decrease in hp when using regular I recall about 5-9 hp. However there'll be a minor decrease in MPG when using fuel with 10% ethanol (about 2-3%). Ethanol has about 20-25% less energy than regular gas. BTW EPA MPG figures are based on 100% gas (no ethanol).
  • Here is what fueleconomy.gov says

    "Most of the gasoline now sold has a small amount of ethanol in it—up to 10% by volume depending upon the region. Using gasoline with 10% ethanol decreases fuel economy by 3–4%.

    The energy content of gasoline varies seasonally. Typical summer conventional gasoline contains about 1.7% more energy than typical winter conventional gasoline."


    You are correct, 87 and 91 Octane have the same energy content. 87 Detonates easier, in the face of heat and pressure, 91 resists burning until faced with higher temperature and pressure, this is why a turbocharged engine will thrive on higher octane.
    Ford, and many others have been able to manage the 87 fuel in a high pressure turbo engine with the help of knock sensors, variable valve timing, ignition timing etc.

    In the 2.0T it makes a difference of 9Hp. Fuel mileage difference should be minimal. I have not checked yet, as I have only run 91 for my first 4 tanks.

    In the old days, running 87 octane in this type of engine would have been harmful. Nowadays the technology is so good, the controls in the engine can adapt to whatever you are putting in.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 39,993
    "Ford is extending the warranty and offering another upgrade that enhances the voice-recognition and navigation technology on its much-criticized MyFord Touch infotainment system, Mark Fields, soon to be the automaker's chief operating officer, told reporters Wednesday at the Los Angeles Auto Show.

    The warranty on the MyFord Touch system will now last for five years, up from three years. MyLincoln Touch will carry a six-year warranty, said Ford spokesman Alan Hall."

    Ford to extend warranty, update software for MyFord Touch (Detroit Free Press)

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  • Signed our contract tonight for our Escape even though we did not take delivery of it. The salesman called us and asked if we would do so that way he could get closer to his bonus for the month ( I think)
    Anyway no problem, we still drove away with an SEL 2.0
    We ordered an FWD 1.6 SEL White Platinum Paint and the 302A package should be in any day been 6 plus weeks.
    So we got a $1500 Cash Back and a $500 Ford Credit $2,000 total
    We paid $29,918 minus the $2,000 so $27,918 no taxes since we live in the state of OREGON, oh yea, plus $150 for license and processing fee.
    I also opted for an extended service plan for 5 Yrs or 60k miles
    from National Warranty for $1,000
    Dont know if I should have or not but we will find out in the Years 3-5
    Mixed reviews on those warranty's.
    We usually keep ours cars for longer than that.
    So all in all we got a new car in the garage tonight. :)
  • I'm curious, why do you even see a need to use 91 octane? Towing? Mountain roads? or is it just personal preference? I've exclusively used 87 octane in my Titanium. I see no advantage to using 91 octane for the minor hp difference (BTW if someone has a 1.6L the hp difference is 5). I find it interesting that Ford recommends regular but the hp rating is based on premium:

    http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2013_Escape_Specs.pdf
  • Bought my Ruby Red Escape 2013 in September. It has been in and out of the shop since then for 11 days trying to fix an intermittent problem with the powered liftgae (not the foot activated version).

    At first it would not open... it would try, but not release the latch properly and then hang up. I would have to get out and manually open the liftgate. After a couple of trips to the shop, Ford went and replaced some parts in the liftgate, and we thought it was fixed. Nope.

    Now, it won't latch properly when it closes. Goes down, tries to latch up... jiggles abit, then the latch gives up and remains unlatched.

    This junk has been going on for over 2 MONTHS !!! It has been in the shop about 11 days in this time period.

    I worked with the Regional Manager (who was very nice and tried his best to get it fixed). The Ford mechanics appeared to have tried their best to.

    So what to do? Otherwise, the car is fabulous and works great (Sync and MFT work great too).
  • Buyers remorse, BIG TIME!!!
  • I am glad I live in a small town with the ford dealer only 5 minutes away so I can return the car to get fixed, yea, the one I have not got yet. :sick:
  • Most of the reason is personal preference. Gas is "cheap" right now and I am trying to establish a baseline for performance, economy etc. I am using Shell 91 because I know that is one of the fuels that is 100% gasoline in this region. I will switch to a good quality 87 at some point to see if there is a measureable difference. When I tow my 1800lb trailer in the summer, it will be 91 for sure. Also, in my mind these engines are designed to run on 91. They just have the ability to run quite nicely on 87 if that's what you choose. Check out the requirements for the Range Rover Evoque, it has the same engine, but is marketed to people who are willing/able to spend more.
    "Maximum power bhp @ rpm 240 @ 5,500 Maximum torque lb/ft @ rpm 251 @ 1,750" Fuel - Premium.
    Thank you Ford for putting in enough engine management to allow us to run regular fuel, but when I can or need to, I will run Premium.
    (by the way, I have seen 18 lbs of boost with this engine, I am sure it appreciates (utilizes) the octane at that pressure)
  • Unfortunately I live in a state (MI) that doesn't require gas stations to label the pumps: http://www.fuel-testers.com/state_guide_ethanol_laws.html I assume I'm using E10.

    What's your opinion about the recent EPA action re: use of E15 fuel? According to this article 2013 Fords are OK with E15: http://www.freep.com/article/20121130/BUSINESS01/121130007/gasoline-ethanol-car-- truck-damage-AAA?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s
  • cbc410cbc410 Posts: 20
    Can you explain what the OBD-II port is and where to find it? I am getting horrible city mileage (13.5 - 16) but decent highway mileage (28 - 32). I live in a hilly area.
  • The OBD-II port is a D shaped connector that you can plug a diagnostics tool into, to check engine codes, diagnostics etc. In the Escape there is door near the drivers left knee. Simply pull open the door and plug in a diagnostic tool. I Use an OBD-II Wi-fi transmitter which sends all of the data to my iPad. I downloaded an iPad app, and now I have more information than I could have imagined.
    Remember "city" mileage will vary GREATLY depending on traffic etc. etc. etc.
    Also, when you use the turbo a lot, you will be making a lot of torque/horsepower. There is no magic here, torque and Hp require fuel.
  • This is probably a topic for a different forum, but in general I am not a big fan of Ethanol. I will leave it at that.
    If people are looking at fuel consumption, they will see a difference with more Ethanol being added. To see for yourself, go to www.fueleconomy.gov and look at an E85 vehicle. (2012 Chev Impala FFV for example) It's rated 30Mpg highway on gasoline, and 22Mpg highway on E85.
    It does look like the 2013 Escapes are rated to run E15. It also concerned me in the article when it says that one customer is using E15 in his 10 year old pickup truck and it "runs fine". The problem is, if the vehicle components were not designed to accept that much alcohol, then he is damaging his vehicle, and he just doesn't know it yet.
    There are special materials that must be used in an engine and fuel system, so that they will not sustian damage from alcohol.
    Again, I think this topic is best suited in another forum, as it is very general in nature. It affects all vehicles, not just Escapes.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 39,993
    edited December 2012
    There's an active ethanol discussion here that folks may be interested in:

    The Inconvenient Truth About Ethanol

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