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Your Thoughts Regarding The New 54.5 MPG Mandate

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  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,986
    edited October 2012
    We've arrived. Saw a Swedish tapestry exhibit and will be doing some chowing down tomorrow, home Sunday. One of the cars in the museum parking lot had Alaska plates and a logo bracket touting a Fairbanks knitting shop. :-)

    The van got 24 on this tank, but some of them weren't trip miles. Rolled over 180k too. :-)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited October 2012
    Did you see the drafting episode on Mythbusters?

    http://green.autoblog.com/2007/10/28/mythbusters-drafting-10-feet-behind-a-big-r- - ig-will-improve-mile/

    Funny thing is it makes a notable difference. Even at 100 ft they did 11% better.

    Don't try this at home (or in the car).

    I do wonder if you're in the lane next to them (wes' geese style), not in the blind spot though, if you'd still get small gains?
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,986
    Drafting has long been big in bicycling so it makes sense. Can cause spectacular pileups there too. :)

    Did get to watch TV for a change, but stuck to baseball (on mute to avoid the commercials).

    Returning to the motel late Saturday I wound up parking next to yet another Prius fron Iowa. I thought those folks all burned biodiesel. Probably did have ethanol in the gas tank.

    Oh, and I saw a biodiesel filling station attached to a farm supply store. It was $4.11 (diesel in that area was about a dime to fifteen cents higher a gallon).
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You need a DVR or TiVo. :shades:
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,986
    edited October 2012
    Except the commercials are usually better than what's on the tube. :P

    Ford is touting the MKZ's mpg.

    "All-new Lincoln MKZ Hybrid delivers more miles per gallon than every other luxury vehicle in America: EPA-certified 45 mpg city, 45 mpg highway and 45 mpg combined." (Yahoo)

    Gotta help them reach the new mandate.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'll take a loaded Fusion. Looks better.

    Heck, a 2.0T with AWD, while you're at it.

    Though to get a manual you have to skip AWD. :(
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    edited October 2012
    It's getting harder and harder every year to find models that offer a stick shift with AWD. :-(

    Soon it will just be Subaru and the few lux carmakers that cheaped out and didn't develop a RWD platform (Audi, Acura, anyone else??). And after a while, maybe not even Subaru any more. The CAFE mandate might force them to go CVT-only. Gawd what a thought. :sick:

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,120
    As far as I can tell MPG is the only bragging right the MPZ has in its class. That wouldn't be enough for me to choose it over its competitors.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,986
    edited October 2012
    "Because gas taxes in the U.S. are the lowest in the Western world and have been stagnant for 20 years, they fail to reflect the costs of providing highway infrastructure and energy security, reducing air pollution, tackling greenhouse gas emissions and mitigating traffic-related social ills such as congestion and noise pollution.

    The Rand Corp, has suggested that a national oil tax of $15 a barrel would be needed to help recover those costs — particularly energy security — and that a gasoline tax of at least 55 cents a gallon is needed just to address personal transportation's impact on pollution, greenhouse gases and security, said Constantine Samaras, a Rand analyst and engineering professor and an adjunct professor at Carnegie Mellon University in Pennsylvania.

    Motorists, ... citing Edmunds.com car shopper data, still don't place fuel efficiency very highly on the list of car purchasing motivations."

    California ZEV Mandate — Would a Gas Tax Be Better? (Inside Line)

    Which Would You Rather: ZEV Mandate or Gas Tax? (Straightline)
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,269
    gasoline tax of at least 55 cents a gallon is needed just to address personal transportation's impact on pollution, greenhouse gases and security

    Wait, why is that necessary? If a fuel tax was used for interstate transportation infrastructure, then fine. I guess that could even play into the "security" aspect. But pollution & greenhouse gases? Seriously? :sick:
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,986
    Ah, so you like living in the land of poisonous ice fog at -50 F eh? :shades:

    (fairbanksirl.com)
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,923
    edited October 2012
    The "security" bit irks me more. Let the coddled so-called private industries who directly benefit from our idiotic foreign policy pay for the waste. Of course, that might make them flee to Zug or Singapore to escape responsibility, seems to be the "we built this" capitalist way.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,923
    Impossible without better transportation and housing infrastructure being developed first. As it is today, that tax would be carried virtually entirely by the working class, who are already being kicked in the head by the do-gooder globalist idiots. Unless some benefit is guaranteed, I suspect the monies would just go to continued public sector salary bloat and more lavish pensions.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I sorta like the idea of a price basement for a barrel of oil. That creates a little predictability for alternative sources.

    Also, you're only taxed when the product is cheap. When it's expensive everyone automatically gets relief.

    Politicians have an incentive to keep oil prices down because they only collect revenues if they do so.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,269
    No, and if the "poisonous" part of that equation had anything to do with vehicle exhaust, I would certainly encourage a local tax on automotive fuel. Unfortunately, it is due to structural heating appliances, and the local Neanderthal population will die sucking down their own ignorance before addressing that problem. :mad:
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,986
    edited October 2012
    LOL, did I strike a nerve? Hm, 18 and snowy up there per my weather bug. Here's hoping for some wind this winter to keep the skies clear.

    Juice, cheap gas would encourage people to drive more and that would mean more tax revenue.

    The result I guess would be more pressure on the highway infrastructure, so there'd be a need for the increased tax revenue.

    Cue Joni Mitchell again. :)
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,269
    edited October 2012
    Hahahah; yes, a little bit, but only in terms of the ignorant amongst us. We're staring down an EPA "takeover" deadline to address winter air quality issues, and if a local/state plan to address it is not developed quite soon, they'll step in and come up with their own plan. The local populace just voted to hamstring the local government on this issue, so now the "solution" will at best come from the state. :sick:

    Really, I just hate breathing the residue from folks burning tires and poorly tuned wood heating appliances. If people would internalize their stewardship responsibilities when they live in a community, this topic wouldn't even exist.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,923
    My area has plenty of both parking lots and paradise areas, no need for tree museums here. Constant traffic jams as well. Maybe the Joni Mitchell crowd isn't as effective as they think :shades:
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,986
    "The U.S. government has set tough fuel economy standards for cars and trucks, and Detroit's automakers couldn't be happier.

    What mad world is this? The famously balky industry that once swore people could never afford cars with crazy technology like air bags has taken a leap of faith in its ability to invent and innovate.

    "It's not outlandish at all to expect cars rated at 40 to 50 m.p.g. in combined driving 10 years from now."

    Industry buys into fuel economy rules (Detroit Free Press)
  • cannon3cannon3 Posts: 296
    is attainable. First the tech is there for automobiles to easily reach 54mpg. Cost and profits is what is holding the industry back. Government needs to slash the cost of doing business so businesses can develop this technology at a fair price to consumers. Who would have thought you would be seeing as high as 35MPG out of a family size sedan? I am all for these mandates, but government has got to release some of its hold on business. These kind of MPG ratings will give the U.S. its freedom from the middle east, cleaner air, cleaner waters ect.. It is a win, win here folks.
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