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2013 Ford Escape Gas Mileage

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,836
    I was trying back up what you posted. With over 44k Escapes sold in the first 2 month of this year, there are a few less owners than that posting here about lower than expected fuel mileage. ;)
  • labrylaolabrylao Posts: 1
    I bought the new ford escape 2013, on dec 30th. I have been babying the pedal to the point I have been sworn at for not hitting the gas at the light. And coasting to turns. And I still in the city (with no hills but lots of lights) am getting only 20mpg. I have noticed that the tachometer sometimes even when coasting at 40 mpg I am at 2200 rpm...not sure what to do to make this any better.. One of the most important s things I wanted in my new vehicle was good mpg. I had a 2004 Toyota rav4 and was getting 22mpg even with it being 9 yrs old. I used to get 24-25. Wishing now I had just had my rav painted....
  • automelon48automelon48 Posts: 104
    I am still holding steady at 24.3 MPG combined average after 19 tanks. 2.0 FWD
    However, I have recently started testing my fuel at the stations I have been using, and I have found them all to be Ethanol free in both the 87 and 91 octanes I have used. I have not seen any marked fuel efficiency difference between the two octane ratings.
    I have identified a station nearby that sells 94 octane which I tested the other day as having 7.5% Ethanol in the mix. I will try that or perhaps some 10% if I can find it.
    I don't know if it will make much difference, but I have seen on some F150 Ecoboost forums, some owners claim a significant difference. I will only believe it when I test it myself.
    If the difference is a few % then big deal. If the difference is more significant, then it may help explain some of the challenges that some are experiencing.
    I will let you what I find.
  • automelon48automelon48 Posts: 104
    Which engine do you have? FWD or AWD? How many miles on the odometer? do you live in a cold climate?
  • tinycadontinycadon Posts: 287
    Let's see what people really think about the MPGs after the honeymoon is over. I wasn't aware that the 44k Escape buyers were mandated to come to come to the Edmunds Escape Forum, let alone know that this forum even exists!?!?!?!
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,297
    Plenty of other sites have owners reporting mpg numbers, including the EPA and fuelly.com. Lots more reports would help though.

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  • mbb21mbb21 Posts: 7
    I own a 2013 Escape Titanium 4wd with around 4,300 miles on it. I am in Miami, FL, flat as can be with mild to hot temperatures. Last tank of gas I filled up with Shell midgrade gas. I also own and use a GoPoint BT1 bluetooth OBD reader paired with an iPhone 5 using Dashcommand software. Most of my driving is in city, not during rush hours. Here are the numbers based on two typical trips(#1/#2) that I measured;

    Avg. MPG 20.5/20.5
    Distance – 11.9/9.9 miles
    Avg no idle speed – 28/28 mph
    Avg with idle speed – 19/20 mph
    Max speed – 48/48 mph
    Fuel Flow avg – 0.8/0.8 galph
    Fuel Flow max – 4.8/4.8 galph

    My driving style was extremely conservative, making sure to avoid turbo boost if possible during the trips and as you can see the vehicle is delivering pretty close to the EPA city number, which for this configuration is 21/28. I still have not taken a long all highway trip in order to measure those numbers. I will publish them once I do.

    So, does Ford deliver what it says? In a way, yes, but the way you have to drive the car in order to make the numbers sure takes away from the fun that driving this vehicle brings when you step on it. I guess we can’t have the best of all worlds in one package just yet. I still think the car is a blast, fun to drive car.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,815
    " ...So, does Ford deliver what it says? In a way, yes, but the way you have to drive the car in order to make the numbers sure takes away from the fun that driving this vehicle brings when you step on it. I guess we can’t have the best of all worlds in one package just yet. ..."

    Ford had the best of both. The Escape Hybrid 2005-2012 has both power and excellent fuel economy (especially city). It was more expensive on the initial purchase, but other than that it is a great vehicle.

    I suppose Ford could have put a hybrid option in the 2013, but I suspect they chose to use the batteries for the C-max.
  • evorkerrevorkerr Posts: 1
    well sorry to inform you but the EPA does not use 100% gasoline when they do there testing they use a liquid called indolene. cause it has a research octane of 96.5 and if you do the math for research octane + motor octane divided by 2 it has a octane rating of 92.25.
    Also just about every grade of octane gas on the market contains 10% ethanol unless the gas retailer chooses not to include it in the formula with the other fuel additives.
  • automelon48automelon48 Posts: 104
    evorkerr; You are right, the EPA does use indolene, but that is just a name that they give their specially made test gasoline that contains no additives. So loosely, it could be called 100% "gasoline", especially when it is compared to what we get at the pumps. Yes, it does have a pump octane number around 92.

    I think the reason for the discussion, is to understand that the EPA uses one type of fuel for their testing (as would Ford, and then it goes on the window sticker) and we need to use something different. Perhaps these Ecoboosts are more sensitive to fuel additives, such as Ethanol. We here on the forum don't know for sure, but it is a discussion point. With some owners seeing very good mileage and others are struggling, despite their best efforts, MAYBE fuel is playing a partial role in this. I have the luxury of finding pretty much any kind of fuel I want to where I live, so I am doing my own tests to see if I can add anything on that front.
    I have started testing the fuel at my local stations, just so i know what I am putting in the tank.

    When the sticker at the pump says that the fuel "may contain up to 10% Ethanol" then it would be good to know. Is it 0%, or 10% or ???
    The numbers can sometimes fluctuate depending on the season, the region, the availability etc.
    If in fact, some Ecoboost owners are suffering because of what fuel is available locally, then Ford can't control that. That becomes an EPA test standards issue. Ford needs to follow EPA rules which call out indolene as the test fuel.
    Hopefully we will figure it out.
    If the fuel and its additives make little to no difference, then this whole conversation becomes a moot point. :)
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,297
    "Ford Motor Co. global marketing chief Jim Farley on Wednesday said the auto maker will pay up to $50,000 in prize money for the best mobile or Internet applications that help drivers track their vehicle's fuel-economy and encourage them to share fuel-savings tips.

    The auto maker's move comes on the heels of a rash of complaints that some of its vehicles don't deliver the mileage promised by the tests dictated by the federal government. A Department of Energy run website, fueleconomy.gov, lets drivers submit real-world mileage, but contributions are voluntary.

    Ford isn't alone in its frustration over the variation between real-world fuel efficiency, rival manufacturers' testing and the Environmental Protection Agency estimates that companies are compelled to cite in their advertising."

    Car Makers Try to Tackle Inaccuracies Measuring MPG (WSJ)

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  • Very good information indeed! I assume such a gauge cannot be installed by a layman. Is there a recommended one? Just trying to understand the cost/effort involved to get this setup if I want to.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,815
    While not automated, there are a number of gauges that are commercially available. I use a ScanGuage 2 for my hybrid.

    The Ford initiative is intended to create a phone app that would actually interpret the data that is read by a device like a SG2.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    Well, I'm sorta old school. I recommend reading the posts since yours and mine..see automelon's posts for sure about using electronics now to sorta accomplish what the mechanical gauge does and more. He used an App combined with a smart phone and some Wifi wireless tech that plugs into, I think, the OBDII port on your car. The costs of about 100. if you already have a smartphone or iPad 9 (I don't) are about the same as the one mechanical gauge and might be probably a little tidier..certainly an easier install and seems to have a LOT more (instant apparently) info besides vacuum. I am very tempted to get one of what he has myself, except that I don't have the other electronics that most people do so for me it is a lot more expensive proposition. If you too tho, don't have the latest electro stuff that the vast majority of Americans seem to have on the street, then just ask at your local Indy shop for a quote to install a simple vacuum gauge. Hopefully there are some nice small ones available that you can tuck outta the way and not look too outta place, yet easy to see at a glance. My old gauge came out of an old RV and it's the size of a softball..so I have never installed it in my CRV, but then I do sorta know my car quite well and how to exploit whatever FE it will give me. It too is not great...I just checked it the other day while updating my records and see that my overall average over 12000 miles and 5 years worth of 4 seasons each year (in temps of -35¼F to 98+) is 29.73 miles/Imp gal..so only 24.77 mi/US gal. IOW's..not very good considering how I drive it. I drive quite gentle on a 50 mph 2 lane road into town once a month, 16 miles one way and a few miles of stoplights in town. Occasionally I do freeway work and down into Toronto. Usually set the cruise on those trips at anywhere from 60 to 65 mph. Always use A/C in the summer, June to Sept, and always use and need the AWD capability in the winter. Sometimes I tow a small trailer with lumber or whatever..always under 1000 lb.
    Also in the summer i (usually daily) drive on a trip that is 6 miles one way..very hilly terrain..so only less than 10 min trip on a 35 mph road, but at least in summer temps car gets right up to temp after only 1 mile. Car is a manual tranny too, and while one aspect of it having fewer parasitic losses than the auto, it also has a lot lower final drive gearing so way higher rpm's than your Escapes here on the forum. As an example, here are some rpm/speeds:
    2000 rpm = 43.4 mph (70 kph)
    2250 = 50 (80)
    2500 = 55 (90)
    2750 = 60 (96.6)
    2800 = 62.14 (100)

    3000 = 65.2 mph (105kph)

    I think 75 mph is around 3500 to 3600 revs, if i recall.

    Note that my usual speed is always under 60 mph and most commonly is 50 - 55. See my rpms at 50?
    You guys in the Escape are probably doing 65 - 70 mph at 2250 or so..

    So that has pulled my average down quite a bit.

    I always air my tires at about 30-32 fr and rr. OEM says 26 psi fr and rr for a soft ride. I'd rather have the fuel mileage.

    Most of trips are quite long..as in not just to the corner store, so my warmups during winter get a full warm up. I am a retired heavy truck driver so I know how to drive to get fuel economy and have lived with having to be patient in traffic and anticipate lights and other traffic around me for quite a few million miles. Sometimes I do really let the CRV rip on a pretty quiet back road and get quite aggressive with it. Burning the carbon off if you like. Sometimes I let it idle to warm up in the winter if there is a half inch of sleet rather than chop away at the windshield. I also will idle it with A/C on in town if need be while I am doing paperwork if I have to. IOW's, my average above is very real-world, but with a distinct bias towards pretty gentle, smooth driving with light progressive tranny shifts and rarely a quick start from stop. Most times I do not have a trailer of course, and rarely have a passenger unless the GF goes with me in my car when we go out, but usually take hers. I do have about 100-150 lb of tools in the car always though, so sort of like having a driver and one passenger with nothing else but a spare tire in it.

    I have kept records like this for basically most of vehicles including my bikes (I actually do more miles in a year on the bike than the car) hence the low 12000 miles in 5 years driving above).

    When I see fuel miles per gallon average..it just doesn't get any better than than your average in over years and years and seasons and seasons of use till you buy your next car.

    For comparisons...but don't hold me to these numbers as I would have to check to be certain, but a couple random examples... FE (in Imperial so 20 % bigger than the US gallon) over life of ownership:

    05 CRV AWD stick - 29.73 so far..(24.77 mi/US gal)
    87 Pathfinder - an E model, with the very very rare 4 cylinder stick, 4x4 of course but no A/C - 24.3 mpg
    03 Matrix AWD 1.8 4 cyl/auto - 33.7 mpg - what a pig on fuel they are when you go AWD..terrible gearing for the size engine, and restrictive exhaust routing etc on the Corolla 1.8 litre which always left the car feeling strangulated.

    What I have found over the years, is it is important to fine the sweet spot, with your car. Where I live, the sweet spot will often render you a ticket so you putt around knowing that maybe 5 -10 more mph might give you better mpg but not worth the ticket.
    The sweet spot will involve your torque output and hp and gearing, combined with (for the most part) the vehicle load, which mostly includes passengers and/or A/C use. I find that with A/C on in the CRV and the way it is geared, it actually seems to get better mpg at 68 mph than at 55. it really depends on so many factors though.. If you drive 68 by yourself, you will not get as good as if you drive 68 in and around a number of big trucks beside you and whatnot. Their draft will pull you along a fair bit. I certainly am not advocating hanging around trucks..just saying that if your usual commute involves a bunch of tailgaters, but if they flow fairly smoothly for an hour at a time without much brake light use, your mileage could actually be better than if you were a lone car on the road fighting that headwind all on your own.
  • pdawg1pdawg1 Posts: 22
    Great info, this is what we need to move the needle of of complaints to solving the problem.............
  • automelon48automelon48 Posts: 104
    For the money, I would lean towards something electronic like the ultra-guage or DashCommand or the others that have been mentioned. The cost is similar if not even a bit lower for the electronic stuff and it gives you dozens of variables to look at instead of just one. Installation is as simple as plugging in a connector. I have removed the door that normally covers the OBDII port on my Escape, because I keep my reader plugged in all the time.
    I can't speak for the ultra-guage, but for $60 or $70 it looks decent. Check for reviews on the web.
  • Great information again! And yes, you do have lots of patience :). I know I have missed lots of posts in between but I will try to look at some posts which you have indicated.

    Yes the wifi based smartphone app seems promising. I will check it out.
  • Good, this is more then just one of the information which I can look at. But I am still confused. I would need a physical OBDII port connector/device which tranmits via wifi to a software app in a smartphone? I do have a smartphone and had installed a free OBDII code app but this app DashCommand is extensive I guess. Is there a similar one using Bluetooth instead of wifi?
  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    I received my Ultra Gauge today. I plugged it in to set it up, get the required info for the rebate and checked out some of the default screens. I will do a complete set up tomorrow with customized screens, first I had to print the manual. The most difficult part so far has been getting to the rebate page, what a pain. I wonder if they make it so difficult so folks won't bother and they pocket another $9.00.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,297
    Start counting - it'll probably be 6 to 8 weeks before the rebate gets "processed" if it's like most of them. I've just about given up on buying stuff that offers a rebate.

    After filling out the rebate, setting up the screens will be a piece of cake. :shades:

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  • automelon48automelon48 Posts: 104
    edited March 2013
    From everything I have read, if you use an iPad (like I do) or iPhone, then you must get the info using WiFi. If you use an android, then Bluetooth will work.
    I went on-line and found someone local who sells a unit exactly like this one on Amazon. link title
    I have now purchased 3 of these, one for myself and 2 for friends as gifts. (again, I bought them locally, not from Amazon, but looks exactly the same)
    We all use them with iPads and the system works great.
    You can buy whatever WiFi dongle you want. The DashCommand App works great. I have used it on many trips to monitor fuel mileage and engine function.

    Have a look at their Youtube demo. link titleThere are even more variables and screens than what they show in their Youtube video. Maybe I will do my own video. It's much easier than putting it all into words.
  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    edited March 2013
    Yesterday I received my Ultra-Gauge and had a chance to set it up this morning and run some errands. I'm still learning it, but a couple of things I noticed is the turbo goes into boost more often than I thought. It's usually in the negative psi range when cruising on the highway or city streets with light throttle pressure, but I was surprised to see it jump up to +1 to +2 psi when applying even slightly more throttle or climbing slight inclines. It's not much, but still some turbo boost which affects mileage. The average mpg's were very close between my UG and the dash reading, with the UG updating more frequently and reading slightly less than the dash most often. The instantaneous mpg's is really interesting. It was as low as 4-6 mpg's at take off and as high as 39 while cruising on the inter city freeway with a steady throttle when the average was reading 26.4. I have a lot to learn about the gauge and how I can use it to improve my mileage. I still don't fully understand intake manifold pressure and the optimal percentage to achieve the best fuel economy. I read that 14.7% manifold pressure is equal to atmospheric pressure and the number that maximizes fuel efficiency and I came closest to that number on acceleration rather than at cruising speed. If anyone can enlighten me on this it will be greatly appreciated.
  • automelon48automelon48 Posts: 104
    I would not worry too much about the Manifold Pressure. Basically the higher the pressure, the more the turbo is being used. Obviously the turbo has to kick in sometimes, especially climbing a hill.
    Remember that this is only a 1.6 or 2.0L engine pushing a 3600+Lb vehicle up a hill or against a head-wind at less than 2000 RPM's in many cases, so it needs some boost to make up for the engine size. Don't sweat that.
    It's just good to be aware of how much boost you (or your cruise control) is asking for, and perhaps you can change your habits a bit, based on your new knowledge.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    edited March 2013
    Interesting read. Also, I agree with what automelon said after your post.

    I am tempted to order the UG also. It doesn't require a smartphone or any other tech or does it? Does it just plug into my OBDII and work? If so, that is definitely my best option. The one thing I like about it over the Dashcommand (even though potential info is a lot more limited compared to what is available with the other set-up) pics I saw, was I think it has larger numerals which with my ailing eyesight in close quarters I think would be easier for me to see.

    Where did you order it, or was that link from the mfgr..I forget..What was the price at the door? I know I'll be into a premium over that ordering it from Cda. Especially if they ship via courier as opposed to USPS. I have had surprise brokerage fees from the likes of UPS as much as 9 months later. Had a $93. brokerage charge on $500. item once. I have heard of worse dollar ratios tho too...seems to me one guy ordered a bike part that was under $40. and he ended up getting nailed something like 70 extra bucks after the fact. UPS and FedEx (altho UPS are easily the WORST) are nothing but crooks if something's going from the US to Cda. They really nail ya :(
  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    You have to order directly from the UltraGauge web site. It doesn't require any support other than the ODB II port. I don't know about shipping to Canada, but it was $8.51 for 2-3 day shipping from Texas to Minnesota via USPS. Along with the gauge, I purchased the vertical mount, which I wish I hadn't because the next day I ordered the windshield mount for $9.85 plus another $8.51 shipping. It's a nice unit (that's what she said ;) ) for half the price of the Scangauge. It may not have every option the Scangauge does, but it suits my needs.
  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    I read some more on manifold pressure and vacuum pressure. It seems the MP is related to the barometric pressure and not the same as vacuum. The UG does not have a display for vacuum pressure. I changed my page 1 to show: Avg MPG, instantaneous MPG, intake manifold absolute pressure, barometric pressure (inHg), boost pressure, torque/ft lbs., throttle position and one other I don't recall. I loaded all 7 pages with info.
  • automelon48automelon48 Posts: 104
    Sounds like you have lots of good information all on one page. Nice!
    If you are reading boost pressure, does that number go "negative" when you are not on boost? If so, then use that as your vacuum pressure.
    Sounds like you made a good buy and are going to get lots of good use out of it.
  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    As with any new gadget, I can't leave it alone. My new page 1 is:
    Avg MPG, Instantaneous MPG
    Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure, Barometric Pressure
    Torque, Horsepower, % Engine Load, Boost psi

    Yes, when not in boost it reads a negative number. I was looking at the Scangauge web site and it also does not have a vacuum reading. So it seems, the two devices are pretty much identical, except price.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,815
    "You have to order directly from the UltraGauge web site. It doesn't require any support other than the ODB II port. I don't know about shipping to Canada, but it was $8.51 for 2-3 day shipping from Texas to Minnesota via USPS. Along with the gauge, I purchased the vertical mount, which I wish I hadn't because the next day I ordered the windshield mount for $9.85 plus another $8.51 shipping. It's a nice unit (that's what she said ) for half the price of the Scangauge. It may not have every option the Scangauge does, but it suits my needs. "

    The scanguage can do a lot more than just the pre-packaged inputs. There are people on the web who have programmed it to read even the advanced vehicle output that is normally only read by Ford service programs. The SG is fully programmable. I personally have programmed the AWD on/off % reading into mine. I've not tried out the ultraguage, and I don't know if it is programmable.

    For general use, I think the Ultraguage might be a better buy, though.
  • I have probably spent 40 hours researching the mileage of the 2013 Escape 2.0L Ecoboost. I was torn between the GMC Terrian/Chevy Equinox and the Escape, but I need to haul a small boat so the 4 cyl. GM products were not going to work for me and I heard about the atrocious mileage the GM V6s are getting. So, although I saw some questionable posts online about the mileage of the Ecoboost Escapes, I bought one, anyway.

    I was very underwhelmed by the MPGs on this vehicle, initially. I was averaging 25 on the highway, and roughly 22 in town. I was getting frustrated, but I knew the car wasn't properly "broken in." Yet, I was driving like I had an eggshell underneath the gas pedal and I was even experimenting with ethanol-free fuels and higher octane gas. Still, the mileage didn't change much.

    And then something magical happened....I hit 5,000 on the odometer. I live in West Michigan and drove to Appleton, Wisconsin for Easter this past weekend. I averaged about 74 in Michigan, 65 in Illnois, and 69 in Wisconsin, and my mileage over that trip?

    29.6! This is what the computer calculated. Based on the pump, I calculated 29.7

    To be sure, this made me a very happy man. On the way back, I was a little more aggressive and drove a bit faster and my mileage "dropped" to a very respectable 28.4 (and I was doing darn near 80 for 2 hours in Michigan).

    My advice for any Ecoboost Escape owners is to just give this engine time before hitting the panic button. My father-in-law has had a Terrain for roughly the same amount of time as me. He only has the 4 banger and he is only getting 29 on the highway! And he said the car is a "dog." There is no other domestic small SUV on the market with comparable power and efficiency. My grandfather has an equinox with the V6 and he is "lucky" to get 22 on the interstate.
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