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Honda Accord CVT Problems

kkuhnskkuhns Posts: 8
edited February 6 in Honda
I bought the 2013 Accord LX with the 4 cyl. and CVT. I can reliably reproduce an issue where the CVT stutters or jerks when gradually accelerating at in-town speeds (e.g., 10-40 MPH). It happens most often when going from a slow speed (e.g., 5-10 MPH) and gradually accelerating. I took it to the dealer and the garage manager rode with me and experienced the problem. We then went and got another 2013 LX off the car lot and drove it, and eventually reproduced the issue there as well. Later, the shop hooked up my car to the diagnostic tools and drove it to reproduce the issue, but no codes or out-of-spec messages appeared, so they said this is normal. Has anyone else felt this jerky behavior with the new CVT in the 2013 Accord?
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  • rodutrodut Posts: 343
    Historically automatic transmissions were a weak spot for Hondas. Relatively short life expectancy, and some jerking was considered normal.

    Since 1991, I bought 4 Hondas: 2 automatic transmission (Pilot and Accord), and 2 manual transmission (Accords). I really loved the manual transmission Accords. Unbelievable reliability, very nice to drive, dream cars.

    Putting an automatic gear box on a Honda is a crime. It should be against the law. I am joking, obviously. ;)
  • I read on the Temple of VTEC or Honda Forums of the same problem you are experiencing but no solutions as yet. I believe the general consensus so far is that is normal unless Honda Engineering can come up with a fix. I have the V6 and no issues as yet.
  • Honda like Altima has switched to CVT transmission in it 2013 Accord. I don't know how much Honda tested its new CVT technology before implementing it in 2013 Accord. I am worried about CVT in Accord and see an issue about stutters when gently accelerating from 5 to 40mph. Time will prove how reliable these new CVTs are in Accord.
  • I am also experiecing the low speed jerk issue. The dealer just shrugs and says thats the way it is. A significant flaw in Honda's engineering in my opinion. Very disappointing. I would NOT recommend this car until Honda corrects the problem. Its puzzling Honda would put this car on the market knowing full well the jerk problem exists. I regret having purchased the car.
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  • I too am very disappointed and hesitate to recommend this car. Also, the struts provide a very stiff drive. I'm going to complain to Honda and encourage you and others to do so as well. If enough people push this issue, we can hope that it might lead to a service bulletin and fix at some point. Thanks for the comments.
  • rodutrodut Posts: 343
    The stiff suspension makes the car very stable when turning. It doesn't tilt much. I always thought I could never rollover with such a stiff and low center of gravity car. Actually I love that.

    About Hondas automatic transmissions mild jerking ... good luck with that ! I waited for like 20 years ...

    There is just one solution to make you happy. Go on YouTube, and type: "manual transmission tutorial". Learn it, and buy a manual transmission car. Especially young guys will love it. After a while. In the beginning is cumbersome. But after you master it, having full control over what the car does, makes life nicer.
  • your "jerking" is user error. I have driven them on a daily basis, no jerking. Also, there is nothing "NEW" about Honda's CVT...they have been engineering CVT transmissions for years, it is just refined to be smoother than Nissan's. Please do your homework before questioning Honda
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,870
    I don't think it's particularly fair (or courteous) to bash people who just spent a bunch of money on a brand new vehicle that isn't performing to their satisfaction. It's perfectly reasonable that they'd want answers.

    Instead of just saying it's "user error," perhaps offering tips on how to avoid such an error would be more helpful.

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  • rodutrodut Posts: 343
    True. Also kkuns probably has a very good connection with the car. He "feels" it. It was the same with my wife and me. She never felt the auto transmission jerking. I always felt it. Actually I doubt my wife could feel a flat tire. She might think the road has potholes.

    I saw deaf and numb service advisors. They couldn't neither hear nor feel anything. Or perhaps they didn't want to. After the warranty expires, their hearing improves a lot. It's miraculous !
  • To say the jerking is "user error" is ridiculous and to suggest doing "your homework" before voicing concern about a very real problem is asanine.
    Just because kkuhns may have experienced no jerking issues does not negate the fact that some owners have. I don't care how long Honda's CVT has been around significant troubling issues in the 2013 Accord do exist. I blame myself for not picking up on this issue before purchase but I did. So...... buyer be warned.
  • I am thinking about buying a 2013 honda accord. This issue make me really concerned.
    There is a Paddle Shifters on sport version. Is it a solution of this issue if I do the transmission manually by the Paddle Shifters?
  • wayne21wayne21 Posts: 227
    edited November 2012
    Honda has a long history of transmission problems. Instead of fixing the problems, they usually extend your warranty after a class action lawsuit. I believe the old saying: as good as honda engines ARE, their transmissions ARE NOT. I own an automatic accord and have had several transmission in it. When it came to buy a new car I went the toyota route. I haven't had a moments regret.

    I think buying a first year model anything is risky and to have this "first ever cvt in an accord", knowing of honda's transmission past, would be really sticking your neck out.
  • scfloridascflorida Posts: 2
    edited November 2012
    I bought a 2013 Honda EXL Accord coupe about three weeks ago. I have noticed the slight jerking at low speed starts around 20 miles per hour. This does not seem to occur if you start quickly and get up to 40 miles per hour. I have owned Honda products since 1994 and have never had a problem with any transmission (or anything else for that matter). Will be taking this in to the dealer to see what they say in the near future. Love the car and all its new features. Hope this is something that can be solved. More of just an annoyance at this point.
  • I received a quote for the 2013 Honda Accord EXL w/Navi for $26,684 + $790 Destination Fee + $199 anti-theft window etching that I'm told is mandatory on all vehicles + documentation fee and taxes. Dealership was unwilling to waive the destination fee and window etching. Do think this is a good deal for $27,673 + taxes?
  • gee22gee22 Posts: 82
    I would be very surprised to hear that window etching is mandatory in any state. If it is, you must have one strong auto dealership lobby in your state. I would suggest you verify their claim.
  • Concerning transmission jerking...I am an avid Honda owner 2007 & 1995 and wanted to buy a new one...However...I have driven 6 models and all with CVT jerk @ low speeds
  • Jackson72, that seems like a very good quote for EXL with Navi. What city and state are you purchasing vehicle? I received best quote for EXL WITHOUT Navi for $26,900 with $140 doc fee and taxes. Adding Navi is an additional $2k and you only pay additional $633?? Would love to know where to get your deal please?
  • Seems like a great deal!!
  • Great price. MSRP in NYC. Go for it!
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,679
    edited November 2012
    Sorry, but I have to jump in and disagree. Honda does NOT have a "long history" of automatic transmission problems.

    Yes, they did have an unusually high number (for Honda) on some V-6 Odysseys and Accords. Still, percentage wise not that many caused trouble. We always hear of the problem cars but we don't hear about the overloaded, poorly maintained Odysssey that has 300,000 miles and still running fine.

    That said, since I've been retired for two years now, I can't speak about the CVT's. Honda has been using CVT transmission in Insights and Civic Hybrids since 2000 and have had few problems.

    I do know that all transmissions have their own feel and what someone else may not notice or care about can be perceived as a "problem" by others.

    Nobody wants to hear a Service Manager say " They all do that" but sometimes this is the case and just normal operation.

    I did drive my buddy's 2013 Accord demo and I was totally impressed. I didn't feel or notice anything amiss with his CVT.
  • pgm17pgm17 Posts: 46
    edited November 2012
    I have a 2013 Accord Sedan LX CVT for about a week now. I have noticed this whole transmission thing but only when you are very light on the throttle. If you try to ease into the throttle you feel the jerking. But if you give it a little more gas than usual it eases right in without jerking. Turning on the ECON makes it worse too. It almost feels like when you drive a stick and aren't giving it enough gas. I mostly notice it when trying to keep the 'bars' dark green.

    Sorry about your buyers remorse, but overall I love the new design, features and that the LX had all the features I wanted (Alloys, Auto Climate, Auto Lights, Bluetooth and Camera) without having to go up to the EX-L like my 2009.

    On a side note for the hosts, can we rename this group like the other ones "Honda Accord (2013+) Maintenance and Repair" and close the previous generation to "Honda Accord (2008-2012) Maintenance and Repair" to keep the format the same for these groups. Thanks!
  • To offer a general reply to various comments and an update...
    The Honda Service Manager felt the jerking problem (twice) and acknowledged it was real, both in my car and another new car from the lot. I took it back later and they hooked it up and captured a snapshot of the transmission behavior and sent it to Honda engineering. Meanwhile, I sent a fax to Honda America explaining the problem and asking for an investigation. Later, I received a call from a Honda America rep asking for more details about my issue - he seemed genuinely interested. Apparently he talked to Honda Engineering and they asked my Service Manager to bring my car in again to take another snapshot. I took it in and don't you know, for the first time I could not reproduce the issue when I needed to. The Service Manager said that Honda Engineering wanted to see a snapshot clearly showing the issue. He said they might have an experimental fix to offer, but they need to reproduce the problem so they can see the before and after behavior after applying the update. So, I'll go back again later and try to reproduce this so they can send in a "before" snapshot, then we'll see if we can get the "fix" and see if it helps. If others are having the same issue, I encourage the same effort to see if you can send in a snapshot and perhaps get this fix.

    Regarding the use of a manual transmission, I have used them for years, but the new Accord with the CVT gets better gas mileage than the manual, and I wanted the best gas MPG I could get. If I can get a fix for the CVT and/or it lasts 200K miles, I'll be happpy with that.
  • I'll weigh in on this issue as well. Right after I purchased my '13 Accord/CVT, I noticed this jerkiness as well. I felt it going between 10 and 20 mph, with a very light throttle. Immediately after it happened, I could easily reproduce it. Now, after almost 2000 miles, it cannot be reproduced. It's simply gone and I don't know why. In the end, it's been a good purchase and much, much better than the '09 Camry I traded in. Hopefully the jerkiness will never return, we'll just have to see.
  • anne99anne99 Posts: 11
    According to the manufacturer of your car, there are many problems with your car, but the manufacturer will never make most this information available to you (other than recalls).
    If you’d like to know what’s wrong with your car, according to the manufacturer, please follow these steps to obtain a list of the recalls, campaigns, and technical service bulletins for your car (the list is free).

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    To purchase a subscription, select Click Here to Access full recalls and Technical Service Bulletins (above the list of the bulletins)

    It is not uncommon to find a statement in the bulletin, indicating that, if the customer has the problem described in the bulletin, the dealership is authorized to repair the car for FREE (and bill the manufacturer)

    If you find a bulletin of interest to you, call the service manager at your local dealership and ask if the dealership will repair the car for free (you might even consider mailing the bulletin to the Service Manager at the dealership so we can resolve the issue over the phone before you take the car to the dealership)
  • I had a 90's Accord and did have my automatic transmission fail on me. I have an 07 Civic Hybrid. It has a CVT. It is different than an A/T and especially at lower speeds. I get a pulse or jerk sometimes at low speed as well, especially when cold. I am at 90k mostly frwy miles with mine and fine so far. Prior year Civic Hybrids did have notorious CVT failures. My Civic Hybrid has had many issues, which were thankfully all covered under warranty, but CVT was not one of them. As the result of the class action lawsuit over my Civic Hybrid I have $1500 rebate for buying or leasing a new honda. Even with that nice rebate I don't know if I will use it. The 13 V6 EXL is the only Accord I would even consider. 34mpg on frwy with a lot of power is a nice cruiser. I am waiting for the 14 Mazda 6 at this point.
  • Jackson - Great price. Could you please share the dealer location and confirm if this is with Nav or without Nav.

    Thanks !!
  • you say few problems regarding CVT in Civic Hybrid. Please see this thread:

    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.f0b3259?displayRecent

    477 posts regarding CVT issue/failures. There were recalls due to this on the HCH's made prior to 07.
  • I thought I replied but it didn't go through. Sorry, it was a typo. I meant to say $27,684 + $790 destination fee + $369 document fee + $199 mandatory window etching fee + taxes. So, new total is $29,042 + taxes. Is that still a good deal?
  • rodutrodut Posts: 343
    Did somebody drive both the 2012 Accord (hydraulic power steering) and the 2013 Accord (electric power steering) ? Could it be true that the electric power steering is tiring on long straight line driving (like on highways) ?
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