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Honda Accord CVT Problems

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  • I had the same symptoms as many of you with my 2013 Honda Accord 4-cylinder model with CVT. This is my third Honda Accord and I am very disappointed. The symptoms were: check engine warning light illuminated, loss of power, VSA/traction control warning light/symbol illuminated, tire pressure warning light/symbol illuminated, vehicle shuddered/shaked on acceleration, steering wheel warning light illuminated and shuddering was worse in initial cold operation. First time a dealer reloaded software and removed trouble codes, a second time they replaced valves in CVT transmission. After that, the warning lights did not come back, but the shuddering was still there. Third time, in collaboration with Honda Technical Support Hotline, they found that one of the fuel injector is responsible for misfiring. Finally, they replaced all four fuel injectors and reloaded the last version of software. Now, the car is running as new (no shuddering at all) and I hope that this is the solution; otherwise, I have a lemon. Both, fuel injectors and CVT are new in 2013 Honda Accord.
  • suydamsuydam Posts: 960
    What was your mileage when you experienced these problems? Sounds quite frustrating. So far so such difficulty for me after 9 months of ownership. Maybe yours is fixed now and will be trouble-free from now on.
  • steve1920: Do you mind updating us every couple of months even if the car is not shuddering? I am interested in seeing it the fuel injectors are the problem. I now have over 5,000 miles on my 2013 Honda Accord 4-cylinder model with CVT, and the shuddering hasn't stopped on its own.
  • The shuddering was present almost all time from the beginning but not so severe. With the first low temperature it was more often. When a few of warning lights came up I rushed to the dealer. They did not have any experience with such problem. Now, the car is after four repairs and I have 8000 miles on it.
    Steven1920
  • Purchased my Honda Accord LX on 06/13. 6 months no issues. Great gas mileage with econ feature, averaging between 34-37 MPG per tankful, 75% highway mileage at 75 MPH. Then on 12/18, my 7th month of ownership, first noted issue. During my way to work, the car hesitated to accelerate at a stop sign in my neighborhood for 5 seconds and then severely jerked forward. I attempted to drive a few more miles but, if I accelerated past 35 miles per hour, the car would shake violently. Continued severe hesitation at stop signs. I thought the transmission was about to lock up and drop out. Turned around and headed home. I phoned the Honda dealer I purchased the car from and explained the issue. They arranged to pick up vehicle this evening, since it is unsafe to drive in this condition and the dealership is 67 miles away. Service department will look into the issue in the morning. Service manager mentioned spark plug/cylinder misfire. My inclination is transmission. Will update this post when I receive a diagnosis from the dealership.

  • Note: Vehicle referenced above is 2013 Honda Accord LX.

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 2,667

    You will notice the Econ on when your driving on the highway for some miles.. City driven, stop and go and especially if you drive fast wont make a difference.

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • yafeiyafei Posts: 3

    After having these issues, do you guys still recommend buying a 2014 Honda Accord 4-cyl? Thanks.

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 2,667

    Yafei,

    Perfect excuse to buy the V-6.

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • suydamsuydam Posts: 960

    Don't think this is a problem for most.

  • hps25hps25 Posts: 9

    Hi All Experts,

    I am reading this forum from Sep/Oct and gets lot of details specially for 2013 Honda Maintenance.

    I am planning to purchase 2014 - EX-L 4 Cyl by end of this month.

    As this forum is full with owners, I need expert advice on purchased Honda Car.

    I found that Major Honda Buyers facing Jerking problem after approx 700 mile. Even one of the expert of this Forum (Brian) also made statement that he is also facing the same problem in his 2013 V6 model. On Carcomplaints(dot)com total 76 complaints register for 2013 model out of that 80% are on the same issue (Jerk/Engine Problem) and out of that 50% are registered by NHTSA. I drove the car as test drive but didn't feel any jerk as it was too short (15 min)

    Due to above issue, I can't take step forward to purchase one.

    Why I chose Honda.. Answer is simple...->Good Resale Value, Safety and Good Engine. Question is "Is 2013 CVT Engine really good in New Honda car?" I am requesting here to all expert for them best advice if possible. [I am hoping, I am not violating any regulation/rule of this forum by asking such question at here and if I am then mod, please feel free to delete this post.]

    All response will be greatly appreciated..

    Thanks, HPS

  • suydamsuydam Posts: 960

    Honda sells over 33000 Accords a month and you are worried about 76 complaints? A small number of problems will be reported for any vehicle you buy. Honda's reliability has been excellent and it has been recommended by a number of consumer organizations including Consumer Reports. The vast majority of buyers are very satisfied with their Accords. This forum is for those who have had problems, not the majority of owners. I have 8000 miles on my Accord, and so far it has been wonderful.

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 2,667

    hps25

    I have the EXL V-6 Accord The V-6 is fast and gets good gas mileage no problems reported with 2500 miles on it since Feb 28th.

    Suydam,,,,, makes good points in above post . I'm sure There are more than 76 complaints but still a very small number compared to the Accords being manufactored. My neighbor for one has had some jerking problems also in her cvt model.. The dealership told her not to worry thats how this trans shifts at times.

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • hps25hps25 Posts: 9

    Hi Suydam and Brian,

    First of all, I thank both of you so much for prompt response.

    Yes, I can understand and agree with both of you that 76 complaints is very negligible number compare to Monthly sell numbers. However, I am comparing Honda 2008 reports: 2026 complaints (include 1050 NHTSA complaints) --> recall 1,512,107 number of Honda Cars.

    Means 2013 complaints is 5% compare to 2008, which is also negligible but still need to think.($25K - Money matters ;))

    Last Night I read couple book to understand CVT Engine Mechanism and I got the answer why CVT make noise, why engine rev-up but wont move car sometime after sudden stop, why it's smoother than Auto/Manual but not get the answer for jerk one. It seems like it's computer which maintain the gas flow. I will read further and update if I get answer.

    Once again, Suydam and Brian, I thank both of you so much for the guideline and appreciating for the prompt response.

    HPS

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 2,667
    edited December 2013

    I'm sure the numbers will go up heading into 2014 still a very small number so far . the 2008 did not have the cvt issue. .. My best guess is that if the number of complaints continue to rise honda will realize there is a problem with the system and have to look into it further... Who knows maybe they are quietly investigating this problem now.. This problem could be a computer sensor mis-read. lets wait and see. keep us posted on your findings..

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • wayne21wayne21 Posts: 227
    edited December 2013

    In the Sep 2012 MotorTrend evaluation of the 4 cyl accord CVT, they stated: The only complaint is that it's a little jerky at parking lot speeds; something we hope is unique to our pre-production test cars. motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1209_2013_honda_accord_first_test/viewall.html#ixzz2bUlmMoex

    I have driven the 2013 and 2014 4 cyl accord and know exactly what they are talking about and if the people here are noticing this I don't Honda has fixed it. On Christmas day I drove a friend's 2013 4 cyl accord and noted it on his car. He had no complaints and had no idea what I was talking about. He's not remotely a car guy - he has less than 5k miles on his accord since purchasing in in Feb of last year. IDK about the older Altima CVTs, but I do know that latest generation of CVTs in the Altima suffer (or should I say experience) the same issue. I've driven a couple of them and they are just like the Honda. If you google CVT complaints for the Altima or the accord I think you'll find there are a lot of people with this issue.

  • suydamsuydam Posts: 960

    Neither the reviews of the later in the year 2013 or 2014 Accord say anything about it. In fact most reviews comment on how smooth the CVT is. Lots of people have both Altima and Accord and are quite happy with them. I would say drive one for yourself and see if it is right for you.

  • wayne21wayne21 Posts: 227
    edited December 2013

    __ I_ would say drive one for yourself and see if it is right for you_._

    Actually, that is what I did. But I didn't drive just one - I drove several of each. The accord was my first choice, but the CVT shuttering didn't set well with me and I had a lot of road/wind noise coming in the driver's window. I rented 1 new altima and test drove 2 others. They had the same shuttering as the accord CVT, but in each of those 3 cars the light kept coming on telling me there was no airbag for the passenger. I had to stop 3-4 times daily (on the rental), have the passenger exit the car and then reenter to reset the airbag. If you google it you'll find this passenger seat airbag is an issue in the Altima. It has had a recall, but people who've had the recall work done say it didn't fix it and the rental I had was built after the recall date. But if you can live with or not be impacted by the CVTs (or the passenger seat airbag in the Altima) I'd say go for it.

  • hps25hps25 Posts: 9

    Hi Wayne,

    You are correct, Nissan buyer are facing 'same king of issue'(not exactly same) as Honda Accord buyer, Jerking, rev-up transmission and others, however I didn't find anything where Nissan recall them car for CVT engine problem. Recall in 2013 of Nissan was for AirBag, Tire and steering bolt. Let see, how's Honda do with them newly design CVT experiment in Accord. Time will answer...

  • wayne21wayne21 Posts: 227

    hps25 - the only recall I was aware of with the Altima was the airbag.

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,766
    edited December 2013

    hps25 and others: I own a 2013 Accord EXL CVT navi sedan that was purchased new in March. We have about 7000 miles on it now, and we love the car. Best car we've owned. Hwy mpg ranges from 32-38 for us, and the city mpg is c. 25-29. On average we are getting about 4 more mpg than our 2008 Accord EXL navi, which we still own, and probably a good deal of that is because of the CVT. We have not had any performance issues so far with the car. But my sympathies definitely go out to anyone who has had problems. I have confidence, however, that Honda will fix your car.

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 2,667

    Radio locking up.

    My Radio freezes up. I keep on turning it Off and On to reload it. I noticed the problem being more constant now. As anyone return to dealer with this problem.. I'm thinking there may be a software upload or updater for this problem.

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • suydamsuydam Posts: 960

    I have a question about the leather on the EX-L. I have the tan leather and it really picks up the blue from denim jeans. We owned a Nissan Maxima for 12 years prior to this and did not have this issue. Has anyone found a good protector for the leather seats or am I forced to buy some kind of seat pad?

  • janmurrjanmurr Posts: 2

    My Accord V6 Sedan has a little over 12K miles and the vibration is maddening at low speeds as well as between 60-70 mph. A long story very short...this is my 2nd identical Accord, the first one I purchased in March 2013 but because of a faulty cooling system that could not be fixed, the dealership replaced my car. I could have opted out altogether, but other than the air conditioning problem (and wind noise), I really did like the car. New Accord (July 13) did not initially have this problem, but by the first oil change it did! I was told by the dealership that this was "normal" due to the ECO and it was actually "better than most"! WHAT!?!

  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,444

    No vibration in my I4, the V6 should be smoother still. The CVT had a "judder" at low speeds, but the 6AT does not have that. There is also a shudder as it goes down to 3 cylinders at highway speeds, maybe that is what you are feeling. Part of the price for up to 40 mpg highway with a V-6.

  • janmurrjanmurr Posts: 2

    @dudleyr It doesn't "shuddder" or "judder" it has a distinct and audible vibration that doesn't go away at those speeds. At a list price of over 30K I shouldnt have to settle, I was fine with the estimated hwy MPG. if I wanted better MPG I would have bought a 4cyl a Civic or a hybrid. Sorry, just frustrated.

  • betsdancerbetsdancer Posts: 1

    It sounds like I may have a similar problem although I can't tell if it's the transmission or something else. I'm considering pursing lemon law at this point because the problem makes it impossible to parallel park in the city.

    I got a video of the car acting up, a link is below. We narrowed the problem down to three things: 1) slow speeds, 2) Forward Collision Warning has something to do with it--whether a symptom or a cause we're not sure (the indicator flashes on and the error light flashes on sometimes) and 3) it happens when you crank the wheel both right or left.

    Be sure to watch with sound on because it makes a noise at the same time the car jerks.

    Any thoughts or suggestions?

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 2,667

    Sounds like honda has a problem on there hands. Your video will help them trouble shoot this problem. Dealership has a couple of tries to correct this problem before you could entertain the lemon law. Good luck.. keep us posted on what hondas solution is to fix this problem

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,693

    This almost has to be a tire problem. If you're getting this at low speeds as well as high speeds it almost sounds like you have a tread separation.

  • arpansarpans Posts: 1

    I, too, have had the 'jerking/Rubber-Band' effect since my car was purchased in Nov 2012. I really am not satisfied with this, nor are passengers - they all think that I'm playing with the brakes! I asked the 'wonderful' dealership and they first said they never heard of that, only to be questioned again a year later when they merely said that that is the nature of the beast. If anyone has suggestions as to what course of action to take, please let me know. Thank you, Arpans

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