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Honda Accord CVT Problems

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,593
    edited November 2012
    Sorry, but I have to jump in and disagree. Honda does NOT have a "long history" of automatic transmission problems.

    Yes, they did have an unusually high number (for Honda) on some V-6 Odysseys and Accords. Still, percentage wise not that many caused trouble. We always hear of the problem cars but we don't hear about the overloaded, poorly maintained Odysssey that has 300,000 miles and still running fine.

    That said, since I've been retired for two years now, I can't speak about the CVT's. Honda has been using CVT transmission in Insights and Civic Hybrids since 2000 and have had few problems.

    I do know that all transmissions have their own feel and what someone else may not notice or care about can be perceived as a "problem" by others.

    Nobody wants to hear a Service Manager say " They all do that" but sometimes this is the case and just normal operation.

    I did drive my buddy's 2013 Accord demo and I was totally impressed. I didn't feel or notice anything amiss with his CVT.
  • pgm17pgm17 Posts: 46
    edited November 2012
    I have a 2013 Accord Sedan LX CVT for about a week now. I have noticed this whole transmission thing but only when you are very light on the throttle. If you try to ease into the throttle you feel the jerking. But if you give it a little more gas than usual it eases right in without jerking. Turning on the ECON makes it worse too. It almost feels like when you drive a stick and aren't giving it enough gas. I mostly notice it when trying to keep the 'bars' dark green.

    Sorry about your buyers remorse, but overall I love the new design, features and that the LX had all the features I wanted (Alloys, Auto Climate, Auto Lights, Bluetooth and Camera) without having to go up to the EX-L like my 2009.

    On a side note for the hosts, can we rename this group like the other ones "Honda Accord (2013+) Maintenance and Repair" and close the previous generation to "Honda Accord (2008-2012) Maintenance and Repair" to keep the format the same for these groups. Thanks!
  • To offer a general reply to various comments and an update...
    The Honda Service Manager felt the jerking problem (twice) and acknowledged it was real, both in my car and another new car from the lot. I took it back later and they hooked it up and captured a snapshot of the transmission behavior and sent it to Honda engineering. Meanwhile, I sent a fax to Honda America explaining the problem and asking for an investigation. Later, I received a call from a Honda America rep asking for more details about my issue - he seemed genuinely interested. Apparently he talked to Honda Engineering and they asked my Service Manager to bring my car in again to take another snapshot. I took it in and don't you know, for the first time I could not reproduce the issue when I needed to. The Service Manager said that Honda Engineering wanted to see a snapshot clearly showing the issue. He said they might have an experimental fix to offer, but they need to reproduce the problem so they can see the before and after behavior after applying the update. So, I'll go back again later and try to reproduce this so they can send in a "before" snapshot, then we'll see if we can get the "fix" and see if it helps. If others are having the same issue, I encourage the same effort to see if you can send in a snapshot and perhaps get this fix.

    Regarding the use of a manual transmission, I have used them for years, but the new Accord with the CVT gets better gas mileage than the manual, and I wanted the best gas MPG I could get. If I can get a fix for the CVT and/or it lasts 200K miles, I'll be happpy with that.
  • I'll weigh in on this issue as well. Right after I purchased my '13 Accord/CVT, I noticed this jerkiness as well. I felt it going between 10 and 20 mph, with a very light throttle. Immediately after it happened, I could easily reproduce it. Now, after almost 2000 miles, it cannot be reproduced. It's simply gone and I don't know why. In the end, it's been a good purchase and much, much better than the '09 Camry I traded in. Hopefully the jerkiness will never return, we'll just have to see.
  • anne99anne99 Posts: 11
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  • I had a 90's Accord and did have my automatic transmission fail on me. I have an 07 Civic Hybrid. It has a CVT. It is different than an A/T and especially at lower speeds. I get a pulse or jerk sometimes at low speed as well, especially when cold. I am at 90k mostly frwy miles with mine and fine so far. Prior year Civic Hybrids did have notorious CVT failures. My Civic Hybrid has had many issues, which were thankfully all covered under warranty, but CVT was not one of them. As the result of the class action lawsuit over my Civic Hybrid I have $1500 rebate for buying or leasing a new honda. Even with that nice rebate I don't know if I will use it. The 13 V6 EXL is the only Accord I would even consider. 34mpg on frwy with a lot of power is a nice cruiser. I am waiting for the 14 Mazda 6 at this point.
  • Jackson - Great price. Could you please share the dealer location and confirm if this is with Nav or without Nav.

    Thanks !!
  • you say few problems regarding CVT in Civic Hybrid. Please see this thread:

    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.f0b3259?displayRecent

    477 posts regarding CVT issue/failures. There were recalls due to this on the HCH's made prior to 07.
  • I thought I replied but it didn't go through. Sorry, it was a typo. I meant to say $27,684 + $790 destination fee + $369 document fee + $199 mandatory window etching fee + taxes. So, new total is $29,042 + taxes. Is that still a good deal?
  • rodutrodut Posts: 343
    Did somebody drive both the 2012 Accord (hydraulic power steering) and the 2013 Accord (electric power steering) ? Could it be true that the electric power steering is tiring on long straight line driving (like on highways) ?
  • I purchased a 2013 Honda Accord Sedan Sport. I noticed if you take the car to about 20mph and then apply the brakes gradually as if creeping up to a stop sign you will feel a jerking motion before coming to a complete stop. I'm also noticing a sluggish feeling when accelerating slowly around 20mph. It does not happen if you accelerate quickly. I think it might have to do with the CVT Transmission.
  • Hello everyone. I've been driving a 2013 Honda Accord Sport CVT I purchased September 19 (over 2 months). Overall, I am absolutely thrilled with the car at this time. The Sport model, in particular, is a screaming deal. I paid 23K$ plus tax, tags.
    As this is an "issues" column, I do have a few...

    The aforementioned CVT issue at around 20mph under light acceleration may be real, although I felt it was fairly imperceptible on my car. As I have over 3K miles on it, I'll check it again as another poster said it was gone by 2K miles. Obviously for me, it wasn't a major issue but I'll check into it for y'all.

    Rather, my biggest gripe is with the infotainment system (I'm a software engineer). It all feels pretty alpha/beta in the whole system for many reasons:

    1) I set the Trip A to reset after each fill-up. Well, it works, kinda. Except the avg fuel economy is not retained under Icon #2 (historical Trip A)!!! It works fine with other reset options, including manual, but not after a fuel tank fill-up. Hello Honda software dudettes?

    2) I have a very late model Android phone and have issues with both Pandora loading/starting under Bluetooth (inconsistent), proper phone directory sync (it can mix up people's entries), voice recordation for speed-dial (it labels some entries kinda wacko-like and can't be manually edited!). Indeed, I have multiple phones synced, but even after 'Factory reset' from the Other options menu, is still getting confused!

    3) Android USB MTP not supported. Okay, Google bungled that one, but still! How hard can it be to provide an MTP driver inside the car?

    4) Bluetooth sound relay is inconsistent and/or slow.

    5) Why can't I activate the rear camera manually?

    6) Too much lawyerish nonsense, non-evident customization options, etc. As I said, feels like beta software. The first two issues issues above being UNACCEPTABLE.

    But she does drive like a car double its price!
  • christian1962christian1962 Posts: 9
    edited November 2012
    Oh yes, the Econ button is pretty much junk marketing. Maybe, just maybe, I like to use it on hilly roads with the Cruise Control ON as it may allow for a less jerky/immediate acceleration which is mostly not desired following traffic on a hilly country road.
    Overall, it just makes the car react more dully and I haven't seen any fuel consumption benefit at all! Granted, unless I'm driving sporty, I'm a particularly smooth driver that may use the breaks in corners just about almost never as all just flows at optimal speeds for my intention. Nevertheless, I think that button is a gimmick.
  • For a 2013 Honda Accord EXL w/Navi, I was quoted $27,684 + $790 destination fee + $369 document fee + $199 mandatory window etching fee + taxes. Total is $29,042 + taxes. Any thoughts on whether this is a good deal? Do you think prices will be lower in March 2013?
  • I'm new to this forum and came upon it tonight. I just purchased a 2013 Honda Accord EXL w/ NAV 2.4L from Lee Honda in Auburn, Maine. The salesman misquoted a vehicle without air and we had been talking about a vehicle with air. This was the last of the month and they wanted to sell me a vehicle. The sales manager asked if I could give him a chance to see if he could get what I wanted. I gave him the color and inside trim color of my choice. He came back with $27,799.00 plus $294.00 Doc. fee. I pick up my the new car tomorrow afternoon. This was far below what other dealers had quoted me. I am concerned about the transmission problems that has been discussed here. The vehicle I test drove tonight did not seem to have that issue.
  • I have a one month old 2013 honda accord V6 no navigation. I started it yesterday and only sound coming from radio was garbled screeching, metalic static sound with music greatly muted in background. There was also new sound from dash, a steady buzzing or humming, completely audible like a relay or contact was being shorted. After driving 15 min. home with this occuring, I shut down car, Upon restart the problem was gone. I read in this forum this has occured for some other V6 no navigation owners. I feel like this is going to recur. Does anyone else have this problem?
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,822
    Hi - this discussion is for people to discuss issues they're having with their 2013 Accords. We have a Honda Accord Prices Paid discussion, which is the best place to exchange pricing info. Thanks!

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  • I purchased the same car with Navi. I've experienced the exact same problem twice. In reading other Honda blogs we are not alone. However, it's still to new of a problem for techs to determine cause for now. Hopefully soon.
  • christian1962christian1962 Posts: 9
    edited November 2012
    1) I checked the issue of jerkiness at low speed / minimal gasoline influx. It hasn't disappeared, but on my car (3K+ miles) is really not what I consider something I would need to get fixed (=not very noticeable). My concern is only whether the belt in the CVT may be possibly running under non-optimal conditions (?) I have the feeling, though, that because the car is otherwise so smooth, it's possible that people driving grandpa-style all the time may notice more acutely that the silky smooth is sort of missing at 25mph !?

    2) Factory reset of Infotainment seems to have not made any difference, even with only one phone configured (paired) to it. And the pairing process each time you enter the car seems to be worse. The cold snap (28 degrees F) we're having nights in Central Virginia right now may have something to do with that...

    3) Another bug (this one, an interface logic bug): to set the temperature of the climate control while the fan is off - yes! that is a normal function of any car, that is heating the incoming air from outside at speed while fan is off - a user must turn on the fan to gain access to temperature control (!?!) That's nonsensical. Also, the Auto climate control hates to regulate the fan speed until it fully gets to the set temperature, which is not optimal, especially when heating. It should ease off the fan speed the closer the temperature is being reached. If that's what it's doing (?) then that function needs to be optimized as I always intervene manually before the car does.
  • pgm17pgm17 Posts: 46
    I have a 13 LX CVT Sedan and set my trip A to reset with each fill up.
    It moved down the miles per tank but not the avg mpg!

    I wonder if Honda checks these forums and will take note or maybe I will write them.

    If they do fix these bugs, do you think it is it a simple software update to the unit or the car computer?

    I assume the unit would not need be replaced!
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