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4WD and AWD systems explained

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  • chelentanochelentano Posts: 634
    >> See the pic below as proof - it shows the FWD fuse, labeled clear as day. The fuse box even includes a spare fuse and a tool to use to insert them, so you don't need to buy anything.

    Wow! Fuse insertion - what a high tech way to control Subaru AWD! Fuses, 20-year old awd systems, 40-year old transmissions, and finally first diesel engine in 2008: all the exciting technology coming from Subaru!

    The fuse only proves what I have always said: 4EAT Subaru is practically a FWD car by default or part-time AWD, whichever way you like.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    The fuse only proves what I have always said: 4EAT Subaru is practically a FWD car by default or part-time AWD, whichever way you like

    Then the Outlander is the same, you pick it. As an aside if you pit and Outlander of the same year with the Forester, I don't think the Outlander would have been able to move.
  • dcm61dcm61 Posts: 1,457
    4EAT Subaru is practically a FWD car by default or part-time AWD, whichever way you like.

    90/10 vs. 85/15 - it's a marginal difference.
  • chelentanochelentano Posts: 634
    >> 90/10 vs. 85/15 - it's a marginal difference.

    85/15 is in Auto mode. But Outlander also has a true full-time 4WD Lock mode, which by default delivers more than twice of the rear torque vs. Forester. The

    Forester has only one part-time on-demand mode. That's why this practically FWD vehicle can't get up to hill on these videos.
  • chelentanochelentano Posts: 634
    >> Then the Outlander is the same, you pick it.

    Nope. The Outlander also has a true full-time 4WD Lock mode, which by default delivers more than twice of the rear torque vs. Forester.
    .

    >> if you pit and Outlander of the same year with the Forester, I don't think the Outlander would have been able to move.

    You "don't think"? It's only a wishfull thinking. The Forester's AWD system is about 20 years old, so the current Forester is not any better. The 4-speed auto transmission is another subaru antique technology invented by Romans. But forget that lousy 6-8 speed and Twin Clutch transmissions, Subaru is working hard on CVT now!
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    You "don't think"? It's only a wishfull thinking

    Okay, let me rephrase that: "I know". How do I know, because the reviews of a previous generation Forester against an Outlander said the Outlander kept spinning it's wheels while the Forester didn't.

    The Forester's AWD system is about 20 years old, so the current Forester is not any better. The 4-speed auto transmission is another subaru antique technology invented by Romans. But forget that lousy 6-8 speed and Twin Clutch transmissions, Subaru is working hard on CVT now!

    The antiquated Forester XT will absolutely dust the Outlander. All the gears in the world won't help the Outlander.

    Nope. The Outlander also has a true full-time 4WD Lock mode, which by default delivers more than twice of the rear torque vs. Forester.

    Nope, the Forester has the same system as the Outback, which has been shown in torture tests to climb up "rollers" with one wheel. So while there isn't a video of a 2009 Forester doing the same thing, we'll have to wait. The advanced Subaru AWD doesn't need a lock mode to compensate for an otherwise mediocre AWD system as in the Outlander with multiple dubious modes of operation.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,016
    subaru antique technology

    The CVT will be an oldie but goodie too, seeing as how Leonardo da Vinci invented it about 500 years ago. (link)

    Shall we get back to the topic, which is how explaining how they work?

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  • chelentanochelentano Posts: 634
    >> The CVT will be an oldie but goodie too, seeing as how Leonardo da Vinci invented it about 500 years ago.

    Great find, Steve. Leonardo da Vinci would be proud finally seeing CVT on Subaru.
  • chelentanochelentano Posts: 634
    >> Nope, the Forester has the same system as the Outback, which has been shown in torture tests to climb up "rollers" with one wheel.

    Yea, I have seen the Subaru sales videos. I also have seen how it can Subaru can "climb up" in real life conditions:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tMgWtlxeb8&NR=1
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=g6H3IOtE6Q8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guTQWkpPFa4
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    You keep posting videos of a circa 2003 Subaru. Do you know why there are no videos of an Outlander getting stuck. Nobody in their right mind would take a previous generation Outlander into any slick situation. It would have to be towed out.

    Try these in your Outlander:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=gwrrbYiLcjA&feature=related
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=YonP3_c-2Nc&feature=related
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=SodoaksRJAU&feature=related
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=_ZwfRpk8XYo&feature=related

    Here's more:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=n2b-fMQ4tdk&feature=related
  • chelentanochelentano Posts: 634
    The 2009 Forester videos you posted are sales videos from Subaru. Who cares for this propaganda? And then you post another video, were specially modified Subaru needs tow truck. Great performance!
    .

    >> You keep posting videos of a circa 2003 Subaru.

    The reason I post videos from previous generation of Subaru is that Subaru AWD system is nearly 20 years old. Previous Outlander is irrelevant since the new generation of Outlander has brand new AWD system.
    .

    >> Do you know why there are no videos of an Outlander getting stuck. Nobody in their right mind would take a previous generation Outlander into any slick situation. It would have to be towed out.

    ...if you want to see previous Outlander offroad videos, they are available and they are impressive. Be my guest:
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=uUXzze_pclE
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=qHgJLyc8ygU
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=HJatMgzxb80
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=x-VYjJiiYfg&feature=related

    And you are right, so far "there are no videos of an Outlander getting stuck".
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Who cares for this propaganda? And then you post another video, were specially modified Subaru needs tow truck. Great performance!

    Actually a lot of us want to see the impressive performance of the new 2009 Forester, both on road and off road. Let's see the Outlander complete these same courses. It can't, it would bottom out. As far as the mods, let's see an Outlander... why hasn't anyone done it? Maybe it's not a suitable platform for doing this type of thing.

    The reason I post videos from previous generation of Subaru is that Subaru AWD system is nearly 20 years old. Previous Outlander is irrelevant since the new generation of Outlander has brand new AWD system.

    Previous Outlander is irrelevant...yes it is. As far as a 20 year old system, I would take it in a heartbeat over the idiotic switches and acclerator position based sensing of the Outlander. At least I can step on the gas without checking the road conditions first.

    I can post at least 20 to 30 other videos showing situations where the Outlander would just give up. But at this point, this thread has become a video war. I'll just wait until there is some credible videos of the Outlander in action. Not some shots climbing a slightly wet hill, which is probably at the limit of the Outlanders capabilities.
  • dcm61dcm61 Posts: 1,457
    85/15 is in Auto mode. But Outlander also has a true full-time 4WD Lock mode, which by default delivers more than twice of the rear torque vs. Forester. The Forester has only one part-time on-demand mode. That's why this practically FWD vehicle can't get up to hill on these videos.

    95% of Outlander owners will never move the switch out of AWD Auto mode.
    3% of Outlander owners will ocassionally use FWD mode.
    2% of Outlander owners will ocassionally use AWD Lock mode.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The only way any of those videos would be significant is it the Outlander made it up a path that the Forester could not.

    The only direct comparo we've seen favored the Forester. :P

    Challenge Forester owners in your area, see if yours can do things theirs cannot.

    And you completely dodged the 100/0 point I proved.

    I guess you can't handle being wrong, and have to change the subject. :D
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    You can also put any part time 4wd system into a 50/50 lock mode, however just like the outlander manual they only suggest it on non-dry surfaces or on gravel.

    -mike
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    I guess you can't handle being wrong ...

    LoL! That sounds like a wimpy version of Jack Nicholson! "You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!" ;)

    Good thing you put that smiley at the end, however. We don't need flames here. :)

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    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • chelentanochelentano Posts: 634
    >> And you completely dodged the 100/0 point I proved. I guess you can't handle being wrong.

    You are funny. You "proved" what I’ve been saying all along, befor you 've even "proved" it: 4EAT Subaru is nearly are FWD cars. :--) On April 30 I’ve said:
    "The 4-speed auto Subaru practically defaults to FWD with on-demand torque to the rear. Subaru does not offer an official number even in regards to 10%. Why are they so shy? I suspect there is even less then 10%"
    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.eea4ead/1055

    Now you proved it! Great! Make sure you carry a fuse in a pocket :--)
    Subaru keeps its customers up to date with antique technology. Fuses, 20-year old part-time awd systems, 50-year old transmissions, and finally first diesel engine in 2008: wow! Now they finally try to develop a CVT tranny, which was invented by Leonardo da Vinchi 500 years ago: interesting contrast to the Evo's Twin Clutch SST marvel :--)
  • dcm61dcm61 Posts: 1,457
    Subaru keeps its customers up to date with antique technology. Fuses, 20-year old part-time awd systems, 50-year old transmissions, and finally first diesel engine in 2008: wow! Now they finally try to develop a CVT tranny, which was invented by Leonardo da Vinchi 500 years ago: interesting contrast to the Evo's Twin Clutch SST marvel :--)

    Don't forget the 112 year old boxer engine and the 5500+ year old wheels.

    FYI - Subaru developed and used a CVT in the Justy from 1989-1994.

    BTW, Mitsubishi uses a 58 year old V6 engine and who knows how old of an inline-4 engine. Also, their diesels are a 116 year old design.
  • chelentanochelentano Posts: 634
    >> Don't forget the 112 year old boxer engine and the 5500+ year old wheels.

    Geez, subaru still did not upgrade the 5500+ year old wheels!
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    wow! Now they finally try to develop a CVT tranny, which was invented by Leonardo da Vinchi 500 years ago: interesting contrast to the Evo's Twin Clutch SST marvel :--)

    Yeah, and the heritage from that really spilled over into the Outlander. :)
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