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The Current State of the US Auto Market

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,002
    Can't think of many domestics I would want from Y2K either.

    Even though I've owned two of them, an Intrepid and my Park Ave, I don't think there's really anything I'd want from that year, either. There have simply been too many years that have gone by, so even if it's a car that I might have liked when it was new, I don't know that I'd trust it anymore as a used car.

    Maybe if I found a low-mileage Panther or something, but even there, you can get much newer ones at bargain-basement prices, so why settle for something almost 14 years old?

    I'd be willing to go a few years further back though, and get something like a Roadmaster, Caprice, or RWD Fleetwood, though. And, even though I'm not exactly in love with my Park Ave right now, I might be willing to take a chance on a '95-99 Riviera.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    Here's another little mind game. Think about buying a new car. What brand comes to mind first? Why do you think is was that make and model?

    2014 Chevrolet Impala--under the guise of it being for my wife. ;)
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,650
    Just saw a new Lincoln MKZ 2.0T on the road with temporary tags. It was white with a young woman driving it which kind of surprised me. She was scooting right along with the windows down an panoramic roof open.

    Interesting look, though white really isn't the best color for that car.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,380
    So, the "mightiest nation" in the world has car companies that fail like 3rd-world manufacturers.

    What a relief! :cry:
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,380
    Here's another little mind game. Think about buying a new car. What brand comes to mind first? Why do you think is was that make and model?

    Kia, Mazda and Honda since my recent experiences are the best I've experienced in my car-buying years. Lincoln would come after, as the 2 i've owned were particularly reliable and satisfying. BMW would be next for the performance but the costs are no longer worth it, afaic. :shades:
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,380
    edited May 2013
    Would be nice to see some of these newer models with the In dash Interface contain the user manual data. heck, there are APPS being built into cars nowadays, might as well include one for searchable car info...

    Absolutely! They should be voice-activated to answer your questions regarding using all that techno babble!

    You're a genius!!
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,380
    Yeah, my Mom's 1988 P.O.S. Caddy had a digital readout. On one trip to Florida when she came home she asked my brother what it means when "85" kept blinking on the speedo!!!

    When he told here she PAST the limits of the display, she was very impressed!

    She stated, "No wonder I kept passing cars like they were in reverse!!" :surprise:
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,205
    Both unions and Detroit 3 managements totally underestimated the demand for foreign cars in general, and Japanese cars in particular. Unions were greedy, and the blindness of Detroit's executives was due partly to arrogance and denial.

    The response that GM's President Smith gave to a reporter who asked how would GM compete with low priced Toyotas was very telling. Smith answered, with used Buicks." It seemed heThe exact wording of the question and answer may differ a little, but that was the essence of that exchange. I think that says a lot about the attitude of Detroit's management and the union leaders, since they also didn't get it.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    edited May 2013
    To expand on my choice of the Impala--to me, there's no luxury like that of interior space. Throw in quiet (which I'd expect in the car), and for under $30K for what I'd probably get, I don't know what else could touch it. Being American-built is obviously a plus for me.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,380
    It is an overwhelming argument for you to buy the new one. No doubt about it and I never drove one yet! ;)

    Seriously, your Malibu was a home run from the prior 'Bu in 2008 and this Impala is yet another cut above.

    At least the bailout is finally bearing some nice fruit! :)
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    edited May 2013
    European cites, but not in Europe.

    They're in China.

    http://www.messynessychic.com/2012/11/20/made-in-china-european-clone-towns/

    And, if you liked the housing bubble in the US, you're gonna love it when the Chinese bubble pops.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,202
    Heck, I think we may on are way to another housing bubble right here in America thanks (yet again) the federal reserve and it's policies. Artificial interest rates and currency values seldom end pretty. Think Volcker (too high), Greenspan (too low), and now Bernanke. I agree that a burst bubble will be hitting China and it's economy one of these days. Sadly though, when it happens all of the globe will be affected.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,031
    Globalization was *supposed* to stabilize markets, but lo and behold, when the ship springs a leak, the rats still scurry off it, just like in the old days.

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  • berriberri Posts: 4,202
    As I get older I truly believe that over time everything tends to regress to the mean (or homeostasis as the scientists say). You diversify from stocks to oil, but now oil tends to move in tandem with stocks. Same for REIT's. Most humans move en mass (unfortunately too often like lemmings).
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,794
    edited May 2013
    Well, mightiest is relative - might only be because others have fallen harder.

    And third world...many American standards are heading in that direction (public education and healthcare, socio-economic chasm, residential building standards, transportation infrastructure, immigration policy, crime and punishment, responsibility and ethics of the top few, responsibility of the public sector and corporate world alike, I could go on and on), as the idea of first world itself is on shaky ground thanks to the relentless race to the bottom afforded by globalization and the market oligarchy masquerading as democracy and capitalism that has evolved from it. But yeah. Other first world nations generally aid their industrial base more than us, anyway.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,794
    Or maybe an Aurora? I liked both generations - but I guess they can be troublesome.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,794
    Your mom sounds pretty cool. But then again, I think digital displays can be cool too - the 80s are my childhood and all.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,794
    Prices are rising in my area, but supply seems to be at play too - so many are still upside down, and even with economic improvements creating new buyers, they aren't able to break even just yet. I'd see a Canadian and Chinese bubble pop first though - so much of the US is still dirt cheap compared to other developed nations.

    Part of the fracturing of the US as a whole - I could see it eventually breaking into several regionally based alliances.
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 4,754
    edited May 2013
    How much was spent on the Honda TL on Scheduled maintenance?
    And of course does the TL owner realize that's just one example, certainly not typical of costs.


    I don't have my records with me to add them up, but it wasn't much since I don't go the dealer but to an independent.

    That's great you've found the typical costs, do you have a link? I'm sure Chevy Escalades cost more. ;)

    I won't put in a reference to the "perfect" cars that some have always used in their anti-GM, anti-US manufacturer, postings in the previous forum, because I think some have come to understand that no cars are perfect.

    Well my car is certainly not perfect. It has had dash rattles and a bit of a crunchy noise in the suspension. It should also have height adjustment on the passenger seat as it's too low. Only some people think certain cars are perfect. :P

    There's a difference between being anti-US manufacturer and critical of GM. Even if my kid was a druggie and I was critical of them and tough with them, it might just be done because of concern rather than dislike. ;)

    Just trying for a bit of balance against those "perfect" statements!
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 4,754
    Sounds like the car's "Integra"ty held up with "Vigor".

    That's because it's "Legend"ary!
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 4,754
    the right size, inside and out. Even though I prefer bigger cars, it still seemed to fit me well. And I thought the style was just about the perfect balance between sporty and conservative.

    I believe you have the years correct; mine is an '05. They have very high resale value, even though I'm not reselling anytime soon. Or at least until my tranny dies. ;)
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 4,754
    Relative to and defined by what? This is a "chart" where the three types of lies could come into play.

    They would especially be lies if they supported my point of view and didn't support yours!

    No matter, we get to play the same game as the competition, or not allow their game to be played on our playground. No other options.

    Well, the other option is the way actually is -- there are two games and it's the option you say doesn't exist. Not that I agree with it, either. Perhaps you could fling some money at Congress to get them to consider a change. I'm sure only a few $billion would help them see your point of view.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,251
    edited May 2013
    >Well my car is certainly not perfect. It has had dash rattles and a bit of a crunchy noise in the suspension. It should also have height adjustment on the passenger seat as it's too low.

    Now that's reality from a car owner. Honesty.

    >a bit of balance against those "perfect" statements!

    You certainly have to admit there was trolling of the GM topic with anti-GM, if not anti-US, repetition to the point past boredom. And of course there have been through the decades all those reports from other owners of how perfect their foreign brand vehicles were. That didn't match with the vehicles I had driven when shopping or had ridden in with friends. It also didn't match with occasional posts, sometimes deridden by fans in protest, on those other brand's discussions even here on Edmunds.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    Prepare to hear that Big Three auto executives should be put to death, and to hear a word that no intelligent person has used in decades, referring to the mentally-challenged, used to describe those who prefer to buy domestic brands. Both have been used here by a regular anti-domestic poster--the same one, actually.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,186
    That's true about the owner's manuals! My first car - a 1968 Buick Special Deluxe - had an owners manual that was a bit larger than the flyer they hand out at church. My 2007 DTS has one as thick as a Microsoft Office manual.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,186
    I did that same trick to my wife when I had my 1994 Cadillac DeVille. I was going 65 MPH on the turnpike, switched the display to metric, and it looked like we we going over 100! She's like, "Slow down! You're gonna get us killed!"
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,186
    Some of the early Lexi had bad leather. I see a lot of older ones with crumbling seats and steeing wheels though the rest of the car doesn't look bad. I understand the gauge clusters and power steering pumps were a weak spot.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,002
    I can still do a similar trick in the Park Ave. It has an analog speedo with only one set of numbers, and there's a button to toggle back and forth between English and Metric. If you're going 60 mph and press the button, the speedo needle will suddenly jump up to 100.

    Oh, and on the subject of Park Ave gauges, it turns out the fuel gauge needle did indeed go all the way around, and is on the wrong side of the peg. I tried the magnet trick to see if I could get it to move back around, but no luck. Got it to move about 1/2 inch, at least. I think if I can find a stronger magnet, it'll do the trick.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,186
    I'd either like to get rid of my Grand Marquis and get a new 2014 Impala or get rid of my Grand Marquis, get my wife either a new Buick LaCrosse or even a Cadillac ATS and use her current ride as my hooptie.
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