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The Current State of the US Auto Market



  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,641
    edited April 2013
    Most folks can't afford high-end stereo.

    Or desire to. The cheap ($400) Denon AVR I use for basically surround sound does all I need it too. I just wanted something that sounded better than the tv speakers and it does.

    I know a guy who has over $100k invested in his sound room and that is what he enjoys, kicking back listening to vinyl.

    I chose to spend money on other things. I simply can't afford to buy "the best" of everything, so I have skimp somewhere. We splurge on recreational activities. Between new camper we bought in '10 and a new boat last year, and a Waverunner, I could be driving a new S class if I didn't want other the other toys.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited April 2013
    That's a small one, 19k units. Some of them have been quarter million to half million cars, so...

    Good thing Nissan caught it early. I think both of those are in their 1st (or 2nd) model year.
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  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    Interesting that you consider $400 cheap, and a Denon AVR cheap. Most would consider Denon to be a "higher-end" brand although admittedly in the last few years they have sunk to new lows after the mass market.

    However, even in your case where you don't desire to buy high end audio, you still spent $400 on an AVR. You could have easily gone truly cheap and bought something for $200, or even less than 200; perhaps 25% less at $300. How come you drew the line at $400? I bet that's more than most people spend on their audio amplifier.

    Of course, if your willing to shop online, buy used or refurbished, or from perhaps unauthorized dealers, you could spend less than $400 and get something that is $800 at Best Buy.

    For sure there is some overpriced audio gear out there, and the law of diminishing returns applies after a certain point.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm guessing cheap compared to OEM prices for premium sound systems.

    IIRC Audi charges $6300 for the Bang & Olufsen, and that's over and above the base Bose system (which ain't bad).
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,641
    Sure I could have gone cheaper, but there were a few features I wanted and $400 was about as cheap as I could go. Still as far as AVRs go, $400 would have to be considered lower tier price wise. When I bought it I checked with the usual online stores and the price was comparable and it's a lot simpler to return to BB if I didn't like it. I originally bought a Harmon/Kardon which developed a video processing issue with one of the HDMI ports. So I just took it back to BB and exchanged it. That was a painless process and I didn't have to wait days for shipping back and forth.

    I also bought my Panasonic Plasma from Best Buy. They matched Amazon's price, included free shipping (it was too big to bring home myself) and hauled off my old 35" Sony tube that I didn't want to have to try and move. So all in all, I was happy with my BB experience. Though there are some things I simply won't purchase from BB. Like HDMI cables. They really mark those way up! If I wanted an elite system, I go to a local more specialized home theater center.

    Honestly, I could have just kept the 15 year old Denon receiver I replaced, but it doesn't have HDMI input/outputs.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,173
    Fastest selling car in America right now is?

    Nissan Leaf! Just 9 days from lot to driveway... - - - -bb%7Cdl26%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D301635

    Glad to see the Subaru BRZ and XV Crosstrek in there as well. But what's funny to me is so is this! - - - ed.ic.axJIBwwdEL.jpg

    Audi has 3 models on the list which I am not surprised in the least. They seem to be on a tear sales-wise lately...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm sure that has to do with the massive price drop. I did some math, with a $7500 fed refund plus a $2000 state of MD refund, the new base model now retails for $20,250. That's before you deal, I'm sure $19k is fairly easy to obtain.

    Encore production must still be ramping up. XV as well. Benz G class? They just must not make many of them. Range Rover is also ramping up.

    Leaf is doing well, though. Mitsu can't give the i away. They have a $10,000 rebate on 2012s. Yes, 2012, that's not a typo, they still have unsold 2012s.

    $10,000 rebate plus $7500 fed plus $2000 state means almost $20 grand off before you even deal. Pretty soon they'll just give them away like golf carts.

    Of course, they pretty much *are* golf carts.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,824
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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,011
    edited April 2013
    Your links got "split".

    Leaf link

    Here's the MB

    17 days to turn for the Encore is pretty good.

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That segment is going to explode.

    You heard it here first. Small luxury crossovers will be where the biggest growth is for the next several years.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587 ency-rating-claims.html

    To be fair, reports are also nowhere near what Ford claims.

    The C-Max is rated well above the Prius V, but in the real world it's well behind.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    BTW, Ford injected money into Mazda.

    All that merger did was stunt and taint Mazda's growth and development. It did help Ford find some decent chassis.

    For awhile, Mazda had the worst weakest most gas guzzling V6's, and even their 4 bangers were behind the curve.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I think that deal was mutually beneficial, actually.

    Mazda had the Navajo and the B series, else they would have had no trucks to sell at all (chicken tax is 25%). No way could they have survived. They begged for 4 door Navajos but never got 'em.

    Ford got the small platforms. The Escort GT I owned was a Mazda Protoge underneath. Every nut and bolt was metric, even the oil filter said "Made in Japan".

    The 91+ Escorts and Tracers all used a Mazda designed chassis, and some (not all) engines. The 1.9l was Ford's, the DOHC 1.8l was Mazda's.

    The Probe was an MX-6 under the skin, too.

    So Ford basically let Mazda design the small cars, and Mazda got trucks in exchange.

    It's a rare case of a synergy that actually worked between car companies from different regions.
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    Although I never could understand the logic behind the selection of the name "Probe" as a name for a car.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    I second that emotion, busiris!
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    You said: The PT has easily outsold the Miata, and the Miata is barely on the sales radar today...............


    But let's look at this objectively and honestly for a change.

    I looked up on Edmunds TMV calculator that the worth of these cars are:

    2008 Chrysler PT Cruiser Wagon Touring Edition 60,000 Miles Clean condition is worth about $6,500.

    2008 Mazda MX-5 Miata Touring Edition 60,000 miles clean condition is worth over $10,800.

    Now do you really want $6,500 worth of car after 5 years of light use, or do you want $10,800 worth of car after 5 years of light use?

    The math just doesn't add up to say the PT cruiser was more of a success than the Miata; if that was so, it would be worth more.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    edited April 2013
    Honestly for a change? That would be a change, andres.

    I might add, where I live, an '08 PT Touring Edition with that mileage could not be bought at that price. I know, because I've been recently looking for another one, possibly, for my younger daughter. I don't know about the Miata.

    Do you believe the Miata and the PT Cruiser were priced near the same when new? I don't know, but I have a hard time believing that. And like anything where a high volume of product was built (like the PT--and like minivans, for instance)--resale value goes down.

    Let me know what color the sky is where you live, buddy.

    Gee, a Corvette is worth more than a Cobalt, although the Cobalt sold more. I guess if the Cobalt was "really" more successful, it'd be worth more than a Corvette!

    If you have a chance to ask an auto executive, what an automobile company would consider a sales success, why don't you ask if resale value of a used model five years from now figures into that company's profitability. You surely know the answer to that.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited April 2013
    At one point Ford thought it might replace the Mustang...LOL
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