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The Current State of the US Auto Market

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  • boomchekboomchek Vancouver, BC, CanadaPosts: 5,108
    edited March 2013
    I get this in my email monthly. Interesting to see all the numbers.

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    2007 BMW 328i Sports Pkg, 1993 Honda Accord EXR (my 33rd car).

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited March 2013
    Subaru finally broke their very very long win streak.

    Edit: no, spoke too soon. US sales were up 11% which more than makes up for the tiny drop in Canada.

    So their roll continues.
  • boomchekboomchek Vancouver, BC, CanadaPosts: 5,108
    It's interesting to see how few cars Jaguar or smart sells, and this is Canada wide. :surprise:

    2007 BMW 328i Sports Pkg, 1993 Honda Accord EXR (my 33rd car).

  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,567
    I wonder if the MB lag is from delayed purchases from those holding out for the facelift E and new S.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,287
    they are doing so good, they are looking for bigger digs, and could be moving out of their headquaters in cherry hill. Hopefully they stay local.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • boomchekboomchek Vancouver, BC, CanadaPosts: 5,108
    MB is still outselling BMW but maybe people are waiting for the new E Class and new S Class.

    2007 BMW 328i Sports Pkg, 1993 Honda Accord EXR (my 33rd car).

  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,567
    I am sure people holding off on the E helped me get a good deal on my new car. I've also read that the S is leasing as cheap as the LS - although it costs a bit more.

    Hey, I helped the US auto market ...maybe not a US automaker (although they do have US operations), but the dealer still puts something into the economy.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,366
    Hey, I helped the US auto market ...maybe not a US automaker (although they do have US operations), but the dealer still puts something into the economy.

    Same for my Honda, Mazda and Kia! :shades:

    Regards,
    OW
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yep, and hopefully they find an HQ near by with enough room.

    If they do move I bet it would be towards Philly.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    Escape moved 24,110. Equinox/Terrain had a good month to with about 30k combined 20,649/9,802. The CRV as sold 20,668.

    GM leads in this market...and comfortably.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,159
    I just had a new escape rental. There seem to be a lot of them just like Equinox. Anyway, it seemed well built and drove fine, but not better than a less expensive CRV. However, it just felt cramped and narrow to me - maybe just my build. Personally, I think the Equinox is a nicer highway cruiser.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    I gotta say, even though I'm a GM guy, I just do not like the looks of the Equinox. I like the Terrain better. I didn't like the looks of the new Escape at first, but it's grown on me. I've spent a couple hours riding in one and have driven one probably fifteen or twenty miles. It drove fine I thought although seems like a fair amount of road noise, which seems more commonplace in cars today than even a few years ago IMHO.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,287
    Well, if they go 3 miles or so west they will be in philly, so gonna be hard!

    I expect they stay in Jersey though. They also have a couple of other facilities in the area and I believe they are looking to consolidate somewhat.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,641
    edited March 2013
    It drove fine I thought although seems like a fair amount of road noise, which seems more commonplace in cars today than even a few years ago IMHO.

    That's certainly been the case with the last two cars my wife has had. My Expedition has less road noise than my wife's Taurus, It's not even close really. The only difference is the Taurus has less wind noise at highway speeds. But road isolation between the two are night and day.

    Also, I find the ride in the Taurus overly firm and busy. Ironically, I prefer how the Expedition rides and drives in most situations. It's even easier to park since the turning radius is 40' for the Expedition vs. 42' for the Taurus and I can actually see out of the Expedition.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,641
    February was an interesting month for midsize car sales.

    Camry 31,270
    Accord 27,999
    Fusion 27,875
    Altima 27,725
    Sonata 16,007
    Impala 15,424
    Malibu 14,817
    Optima 13,195
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Shows you how newer designs can mean big sales numbers. Sonata is due soon.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Don't shoot the messenger, I'm not the source, but here are sales by segment:

    Verano 4,171 +147.1%
    ILX 1,997; hybrid 154
    CT 1,182 -25%
    A3 392 -16.4%

    Buick ain't doing so bad. More than 10 times the number of A3s sold, but that's the old A3.

    IS 1,532 -23.8%
    Regal 1,474 -44.1%
    TSX 1,358 -58.1%; wagon 214 -41.3%

    Pretty even fight. Some would put the IS with the class below.

    Cclass 7,302 +39.4%
    3series 6,973 -13.9%
    ES 4,817 +67.4%
    G 3,670 -15.3%; coupe 859 -26.6%
    LaCrosse 3,667 -29.9%
    ATS 3,382
    A4 2,635 -3.1%
    CTS 2,566 -43.9%
    TL 2,216 -28.1%
    A5 1,173 -4.8%
    MKZ 945 -62%

    The 2 Caddys combined would be in 3rd place.

    5series 4,248 +5.1%
    Eclass 4,211 +0.1%
    XTS 2,169
    A6 1,370 +40.9%
    GS 1,108 -51.8%
    MKS 922 +7.6%
    M 514 -55.3%
    RLX 16
    RL 11 -59.1%

    RLX has not really ramped up yet, and RL is out of production so those were left overs. Infiniti M is invisible.

    Sclass 923 +16.4%
    LS 803 +61.8%
    7series 709 -36.9%
    A8 395 +22.3%

    Pretty balanced. People like the LS face lift.

    RX 6,938 +24.8%
    SRX 4,108 -17.6%
    RDX 2,795 +189.1%
    Q5 2,753 +57%
    GLK 2,420 +48.5%
    X3 2,175 -23.2%
    FX 595 -46.3%
    EX 150 -52.2%

    RX dominates, beating the next 2 combined. I would maybe categorize it in the group below, especially since Lexus will launch a smaller crossover soon. It would still win its class.

    Enclave 5,241 +25.8%
    X5 3,931 21.9%
    MDX 2,946 -14.4%
    Mclass 2,733 -19.8%
    JX 2,300
    MKX 1,883 -13.1%
    Q7 920 +146.6%
    GX 628 -6.9%

    JX is one of the few Infinitis to do well.

    X6 474 -5.6%
    ZDX 25 -53.5%

    Why bother, Acura?

    500 3,302 +2%
    Spark 2,836
    Cooper 1,986 -18.2%
    Smart 783 +1.8%
    iQ 331 -60.1%

    Wonder how many of those are Smart EVs?

    Versa 13,100 +28.6%
    Sonic 6,025 -23.7%
    Fiesta 5,015 -9.1%
    Accent 4,750
    Fit 3,775 -7%; EV 15
    Rio 3,339
    Yaris 2,045 -41%
    2 1,028 -61.9%

    Cheapest car sells well here. HyunKia gets a lot from one platform (Veloster as well).

    Corolla 24,999 +17.6%
    Civic 22,713 -12.7%; Hybrid 433 -39.1%
    Focus 20,808 -10.9%
    Cruze 17,947 -12.1%
    Elantra 16,219
    Jetta 11,968 -6.8%
    Mazda3 10,554 -6.4%
    Sentra 10,058 -5.2%
    Dart 7,720
    Forte 5,003
    Impreza 4,515 -28.7%
    Golf 3,020 +9.7%

    Toyota is getting a lot of mileage from an old design. I bet they'd like higher transaction prices, though. Golf is due for replacement.

    Camry 31,270 -5.7%
    Accord 27,999 +40.9%; PHEV 17
    Fusion 27,875 +28%
    Altima 27,725 -15.9%
    Sonata 16,007
    Malibu 14,817 -25.9%
    Optima 13,195
    200 11,446 +18%
    Avenger 9,980 +52%
    Passat 7,532 -8%
    Legacy 3,745 +3.60%
    Mazda6 2,702 -47%

    Impala 15,424 +.06%
    Charger 10,301 +41%
    Avalon 5,703 +69.9%
    Taurus 5,047 +16.6%
    300 5,023 -35%
    Maxima 4,927 -25.3%
    Azera 795

    Are those new or old Impalas, or a mix of both? Azera is invisible.

    Camaro 6,171 -10.9%
    Mustang 6,024 -18.1%
    Challanger 4,911 +34%
    Genesis coupe 2,517
    FR-S 1,369
    BRZ 420
    370z 378 -31.6%
    Miata 347 -20%

    Surprising how high volume those muscle cars are.

    Prius 17,812 -9.9%
    C-MAX 3,183
    Volt 1,626 +58.9%
    LEAF 653 +36.6%
    Insight 388 -47.7%
    CR-Z 381 -14.8%
    i-MiEv 337

    Prius seems to outsell all the others combined. About 3 times as many. Volt still picking up, though.

    Juke 2,829 -4%
    Veloster 1,905

    We wonder why they build these yet the Juke outsells the FR-S 2 to 1!

    Soul 9,551
    Cube 622 -9/5%
    xD 596 -24.1%

    Hamster win, others fail.

    Outback 9,016 +2.9%
    Venza 3,745 +46.1%
    CrossTour 1,234 +20.1%

    In order of attractiveness.

    Escape 24,110 +29.2%
    CR-V 20,668 -13%
    Equinox 20,649 +15.7%
    Rav4 13,329 +9.5%
    Rogue 9,964 -25.8%
    Journey 7,530 +21%
    Patriot 6,329 +24%
    Forester 5,529 -.7%
    CX-5 5,451 +1,426.9%
    Compass 3,776 +36%
    Tucson 3,444
    Tiguan 2,533 +11.1%
    Sportage 2,334
    Outlander Sport 1,644

    I can't believe they sell that many Rogues.

    Explorer 16,586 +58.9%
    Edge 9,683 -8.1%
    Pilot 9,614 +12.8%
    Grand Cherokee 9,439 -26%
    HighLander 9,310 +18.9%
    PathFinder 7,014 +145.8%
    Traverse 8,698 +9.2%
    Sorento 7,945
    Durango 4,749 +38%
    Murano 3,987 -21%
    CX-9 2,594 +27.8%
    Toureg 835 +15.6%
    Tribeca 194 +9.6%
    Veracruz 65

    Holy Explorer, Bat Man. Pathfinder sales up 146% with the unibody. Told you so!

    Caravan 10,415 -18%
    Sienna 9,209 +25.3%
    Town & Countr 8,614 -10%
    Odyssey 8,550 -6.9%
    mazda5 2,260 +48.8%
    Flex 1,662 -17.4%
    Quest 1,131 -6.2%
    Routan 424 -35.7%
    Sedona 138

    Dodge back at the top, I'm surprised Honda has slid so much. Kia needs to do a new minivan. We'll probably get a 7th crossover first. :sick:
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,567
    Are these February or YTD sales? Are the percentage differences from previous month or year?

    I am surprised that the MB sedans are faring so well, as they are all aging designs. And GS down 51.8? Yikes. Volt is holding its own.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,153
    edited March 2013
    Guess the Odyssey's looks are too jarring, although the rest of the bunch are down too, except the Sienna and the "compact" Mazda5

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  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,641
    edited March 2013
    Those are February sales from what I can tell.

    I saw an Acura ILX on the road for the first time today. I will say it looks better in person.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,567
    I've seen a handful of ILX here. I don't care for the design, too invisible and Civic-y for me, not premium looking to my eyes. I am seldom a fan of upswept C-pillars. Reminds me of the tricks Honda has played (successfully) on Canada.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    To answer your question, that number would be all 'old' Impalas.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,641
    I've seen a handful of ILX here. I don't care for the design, too invisible and Civic-y for me, not premium looking to my eyes.

    I agree. I didn't like it all from the pics I've seen, finally seeing one in person moved it up a notch. That's not saying much BTW;)
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,641
    edited March 2013
    I wonder where all of the Impala fleet sales are going to go when the new model comes out. Malibu? Or a combination of the two or maybe the Taurus?

    Not that all fleet sales are bad. Seems the rental fleet sales do the most damage to resale as they turn cars over much faster than corporate fleets these days. Most people I know with company cars keep them longer compared to years ago.

    My wife used to get a new company car every 18 to 24 months, now it's basically every 4 years.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    I haven't read or heard this anyplace, but I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest to see "Impala Classic" models still being sold to only rental fleets.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,641
    I haven't read or heard this anyplace, but I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest to see "Impala Classic" models still being sold to only rental fleets.

    I haven't read anything about that either and I agree. I'd think the current Impala sells in enough numbers to fleets to justify production. OTOH, I have no idea how profitable those fleet sales are.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    From the numbers posted above, it looks like Chrysler not just leads in that segment, but spanks everybody else.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Those are February sales from what I can tell

    Correct, I didn't compile the data but YTD would be more useful as it smooths out short-term spikes in demand.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest to see "Impala Classic" models still being sold to only rental fleets.

    A great idea, IMHO. Fleets just want a low cost product they can turn over quickly.

    The new one will cost a bunch more. If they can work out producing both side-by-side, or at different plants, it would be win-win for GM and fleet managers.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    looks like Chrysler not just leads in that segment, but spanks everybody else

    Yeah, Honda must be embarassed to lose to Chrysler's 2nd best selling van.

    Having said that, I bet a lot of those are to fleets. Those are the official car of Orlando.
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