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  • Many thanks to those who just responded to my question about the left over 2000 Protege. The reason that I was looking at 2000's was because of the 0% financing or 1500 cash back. Have some people been able to sneak both rebate and financing out of the dealer? Also, I just noticed that Edmunds is showing that 4yr/0% financing also includes the new 2001 models. Is this correct? I can't find any other web site that confirms this!! If this is the case, I'd definitely go for a 2001 model. Of course the dealer won't tell me that because they want to move current inventory. Can anyone help me with these additional questions? Thanks for all your help.
  • hkchanhkchan Posts: 420
    1. No, I don't own a Protege. I'm looking to buy one.
    2. If one can join the EAA, then the S Plan is available. Ford/Mazda can end the plan anytime they want. OTOH, supposedly not every dealer participates in the plan, so YMMV. No, I don't have first-hand knowledge of the plan. I learned it from this thread (or the previous Protege one, I forgot).
  • I do not think that you should be allowed to post unless you are zoom zooming on a daily basis. You are a wanabe-zoom-zoomer.
  • hkchanhkchan Posts: 420
    It's currently $1,500 rebate or 0% for 48 months on the '00s and $750 rebate or 0% for 48 months on the '01s. So if you're going to take the 0% financing, the $750 advantage the '00 has on the '01 is gone. The '01 does cost about $350 more than the '00 (base ES). Since you want the Premium Package, if you don't care for the moonroof, you can get the ABS/SAB package on the '01 (but not on the '00). Then a '01 can actually cost less than a '00 if you go with the S Plan fixed pricing. If you negotiate the price yourself, it may vary. It all depends on how many the dealer has of each model year.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    Is owning a Protege a requirement to post? I do not OWN a Protege, yet I get plenty of Protege driving experience and have a wealth of info on them.

    And to support Henry, here is the deal on the S-plan. The S-plan(Supplier plan) is actually only for Mazda suppliers and freinds of Mazda employees. Some trade groups may fit into the category of suppliers and enrollment in some of these trade groups is open to most. A dealer cannot be forced to participate as it takes away from their allocation of vehicles. Most dealers will honor the S-plan unless it is a hot selling vehicle that they know they can get full price for. As an FYI, the S-plan price is printed right on the dealer invoice(not the window sticker).

    :)
  • hkchanhkchan Posts: 420
    "I do not think that you should be allowed to post unless you are zoom zooming on a daily basis."
    I hope you're just kidding. How about not being allowed to post unless one has at least a 50% chance of still owning a Protege six months from now?
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    hi all,

    I have been following up with Edmunds.com's Protege-related discussion list ever since I got my 00 Pro ES on the 4th of July, and I'm really glad there's finally a discussion group just for the Pro's (and named accordingly).

    Quick question, anyone changed their Pro's oil themselves lately? Is it easy to do for a non-car mechanic-inclined person such as myself? I'm just wondering because even though I got 2yr/24000mi free oil change from rosenthal nissan mazda on leesburg pike in VA, I think their service is terrible (last time I went for an oil change it took them almost 2 hours to get the car back to me, bunch of slackers) and I want to skip the hassle of having to drive to the dealer to get the oil changed (and save some $$ in oil change in the future).

    btw, can't help but notice there are quite a few people on this discussion list from washington dc area, didn't realize there are so many enthusiastic Pro owners around here (but I understand why!)

    thanks

    H
  • speedyptspeedypt Posts: 200
    We accept all Protege lovers here. INCLUDING "wanabes" as you called them. The Protege is a great car that couldn't hurt to have a greater following. I personally encourage anyone wanting info about Protege's to post here. We should all encourage potential owners to buy a Protege vs. just about any other model.

    hkchan...post away my friend!!!

    Regards,

    Pete
  • But we will need a deposit. How do we know you will be buying one within that time frame?
  • hkchanhkchan Posts: 420
    Thanks. So what's Ford's X-Plan (and others) stand for? Was the S-Plan Ford's idea?
  • speedyptspeedypt Posts: 200
    I change my oil myself. Until recently I used Fram filters (never had a problem and could usually find them on sale too!) but now I am using the Mazda oil filter for the anti-backflow valve it has.

    I have a 2000 ES Protege and use Mobil 1 10w-30 synthetic oil. It seems to run just a bit smoother with the synthetic oil and if you shop carefully, you can usually find it on sale at Walmart.

    The filter and drain plug on the 1999-2001 Pro's are much easier to access than my old '92 LX Pro. Make sure to use a new aluminum crush seal at least every other time you change your oil, some people insist on using a new one every time. Use your hand to loosen and tighten your oil filter. A rubber dishwashing glove can help get a good grip on it.

    I like changing my own oil as it lets me check out the car every time I do it.

    Regards,

    Pete
  • hkchanhkchan Posts: 420
    No guarantees from me. I may go for a truck.
  • I justed moved from VA to GA....that area of VA is bad when it comes to traffic. I sometimes spent 30 minutes just trying to get out of falls church. But I miss the VA STATE POLICE. They kept that area in check 24 hours a day. I GA, cops do not care.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    No, the S-plan was in the works prior to the hostile(is Jac Nasser reading this?) takeover by the Blue Oval. The S-plan and E-plan(employees and family) have been around but were revised in 97. I don't know what x-plan stands for. Must be top secret.
  • Hey I think I have a problem....On my breaks I go down to the parking lot and play with my protege...or just check up on it...I hate this fog down here in GA....it leaves the paint looking dirty...God I want to get off work so that I can go play!!!
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    thanks speedypt for the tip, I'll probably try to do it myself the next time my car needs an oil change, I'll probably find someone that knows his way around cars to help me as well.

    yes unmarkedcar traffic around here is horrible, especially during rush hour near tysons corner, a lot of stop and go's. that's why my gas milage has suffered big time as a result of my 2.5 mile commute to work everyday, averaging about 19-21 mpg, oh well :P

    and commenting on a posting a few days back: yes working has becoming harder cuz I can't wait to get off work and get my zoom zoom fix for the day, which is exactly what I'm going to do NOW! woohoo
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    My post never suggested that Henry not post here, unless he owned a Mazda Protege. I might have missed a few, but I have always tried to welcome newbies to this topic, if they took the time to introduce themselves. It is my desire to be respectful to everyone here at Mazda Protege, even the windbags, hehe. Just kidding. However, I enjoy asking questions, offering "FIRST HAND" advice and stating my opinions if asked, here at Mazda Protege. Nonetheless, I honestly found it strange that someone would become a "regular" in a owners "type" discussion and never mention the kind of car he drives? Malty, I think Henry did a fine job answering my questions and if he was offended by my inquiry, I bet he could handle that also! I guess your post #275 rubbed me the wrong way. I hold no grudges, and on a go-forward basis; live and let live is my motto. ;-}

    Respectfully;
    Larry
  • Ok everyone is talking about the S-Plan, well I talked to a Mazda dealer in my area and asked about the S-Plan and he told me that the plan is only offered to Ford/Mazda employees or one of Ford's Affiliate companies like Hertz. How true is this and where can I find more info on the web?
  • hkchanhkchan Posts: 420
    Relax. I was not offended by your questions. In fact, your questions were the kind that I would probably ask if I were in your position.

    gamejunki, what the dealer told you so far regarding the S-Plan is correct. Again I have no first-hand experience with the plan. I was simply repeating the information others gave here. Joining the EAA (www.eaa.org) would make you eligible. Even though I have not done it, there've been at least two people here that have.
  • What is the "new aluminum crush seal"? I've only changed oil on older cars and only had to pull the plug and change the filter.
  • hkchanhkchan Posts: 420
    It's the washer. What cars have you changed oil on that didn't have one?
  • Echoing Gamejunki's comments...if there is a website with more information on the S-Plan, please post!

    I too am looking at a 2000 ES. Deal is for approximately $100 over invoice. The dealer automatically puts mudguards and pinstriping on every new ES that comes through - two options that I really don't want. I asked if they could take both off and he said they could take the pinstriping off, but the cost is sunk so the price would not be lowered. The mudguards however, cannot be taken off as "we have to make mounting holes" or something. Is this a steamy stinky pile they're trying to feed me about the forced accessories??
  • curt3curt3 Posts: 101
    I think that it is wise to take your Protege to the dealer for the oil changes during the warranty period. As crazy as it sounds, I believe that you have more leverage in the event that a surprise problem arises if you have thorough documentation of dealership oil changes and inpsections, at least during the warranty period and shortly thereafter.

    My local Nissan/Mazda dealership bought back a virtual lemon of a Nissan Truck that I had in 1998 when I provided a list of all the maintenance that they had performed (every oil change, etc.) I did not have to go to arbitration or even so much as contact a lawyer. They relized that the truck was well-maintained by their dealership and to say that the truck was not pampered would cut the dealership's own throat.

    Also, I have noticed how some dealerships invite you to "hook them up" on the warranty service/dealership experience type surveys. Be thoroughly honest on these--they may come back to haunt you should you have a lemon. At the same time, acknowledge good treatment on the dealership's behalf. For some reason we get the urge to cover up faults in service and dealership experiences because we think that we will get special favors. I really don't think that you will get much more than an oil change for even the best of compliments. When it comes down to the wire, you are one of hundreds of others who fill out survey cards and are in now way entitled to any extra benefits for covering up for the dealerhsips.

    Let's talk financing. If you are about to buy a new Mazda, enroll in a master's degree program or be a college graduate very quickly. Not only can you combine the college bonus, you can get a slightly smaller rebate when combined with 0% financing. Unfortunatley, I don't believe that Mazda offers a repeat buyer discount--some companies actually offer a customer loyalty discount. The financing special is usual only good for short-term loans. I bought my 2000 LX for 36 months--this was the shortest time possible but three years at 0% is not much more per month than 4 years at 7.75 %. Good luck all.
  • It's the washer on the oil Plug? If that's so than ohhhh"k"! I just hadn't heard that "fancy" term for it. Why do you need a new one that often, and is the Mazda filter as good as a Mobil-1 filter? Thanks for any input, I've only used dino oil and fram(or equiv) filters before. But for this baby I'm willing to go the extra mile!
    Thanks for any input, I'm not a car maintenance expert, I've just had friends who were, and I moved away from them all!
  • nikecarnikecar Posts: 460
    first the washer.. I had a Cavalier that the washer was built in the screw. never replaced it in 7 yrs and never leaked.

    second on protegextwo Feb 15, 2001 1:15pm
    mentioning a 00 with 75K and 01 with 75K. the 00 will be more apealling because in 5 yrs you won't tell them you had it 5 yrs. the buyer will see a 00 with the same lmiles as a 1 yr newer car. they will equate that with an extra yr of driving and still it has a lower per yr mileage. in 2005 the 00 will be 6yrs old (regardless of when bought) have the same miles as a 5 yr car.

    as for the price. We got our ES Auto for 14.4K with a 1.4K rebate/grad, and our 1K down. that was after TTL. it was I think 300 over invoice in December according to various sites. I know some got it for cheaper, but it was around the acceptable range for me and the wife loved it..
  • hkchanhkchan Posts: 420
    Maybe it's time for me to go to bed, but I must say I don't quite understand what you mean by more "appealing". Are you saying someone will consider the '00 to be more appealing and enough to be willing to pay more for it than the '01 because he thinks the '01's average mileage is 15,000 miles a year and the '00's is 12,500 miles a year? What about if the car will be traded in for a new one? Do you think the dealer will offer more for the '00 too?
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    Andrew, I am not a fan of pin stripping on most cars. But, that is just my preference. The fact that some new car dealers add this after factory feature and charge $75.00 hiss's me off. My local Toyota/Mazda dealer has a new sales manager who adds it to all new cars as they are added to the sales lot! What a jerk. $75.00 of pure profit for the dealer, not mention it looks crappy on MOST cars. The most expensive tape in the world. Well,... I have purchased my last three vehicles at Lancaster Toyota Mazda and I asked my sales guy, Erin Mulroy about the policy of pin stripping all the new cars. He told me that if a customer asks to have it removed, they will and IF the customer asks, the $75.00 comes off the price of the vehicle, also! He told me very few people ask to have the pin stripping removed and even less ask to have the surcharge removed! Go figure!

    IMHO, I think the mud guards are very handsome and I would add them to both my PRO-ES's. Andrew, my 2 cents; pay for the mud guards and tell the sales person the pin stripping and the surcharge for it go's, end of discussion. I can't believe, he would let you walk for $75.00.

    Respectfully;
    Larry
  • sfratsfrat Posts: 205
    Hey everyone,

    Boy people did post a lot, I just checked the board late yesterday afternoon. Regarding the CS survey's, I was promised a free tank of gas. Since my sales rep was helpful, and had a good experience, I will rate her highly regardless of the tank of gas. Its probably more of an attempt to get people to fill the things out rather than an attempt at a bribe. Just my thought on that.

    As for Rosenthal, I went there this past sunday looking for an 01 Pro ES. They didn't have one that I wanted, but I asked the guy to give me a price on what I wanted. He refused unless I would agree to buy a car from them. Finally he indicated that because it was an 01, I could expect to pay near MSRP. At that point, I got up and left. What a jerk.

    The current issue of Road and Track has a small article on the Protege MP3. They mention that some of the parts will be made by Racing Beat. Do you think there is any chance that these parts would be made available through the dealers or Racing Beat for purchase.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    1) The MP3 says Racing Beat on it.
    2)Racing beat is not a manufacturer but a tuner.
    3)I'm sure Mazda will have an exclusive contract on these parts.
    4)Yes the dealers will be able to order these parts, probably before you are even able to getyour hands on the car itself.
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