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  • jk111jk111 Posts: 125
    I changed the oil in my protege for about 3 times now. So far I been using Castrol Syntec, and they work great! my car runs smoother now and it is much quieter once the engine warms up. I would recommand this to any protege owner.
    About filter, I used castrol max and fram. I didn't notice any differences. But I change the oil every 3000+ miles or so. I wouldn't worry about the filter too much, it is the oil that is important if you change the oil often.
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    Why does Victor need to justify his opinions to you? He just stated his 2 cents. Victor and I basically have opposite opinions on the subject of buying a left-over 2000 versus a 2001 Pro-ES, yet you disagree with both of us! What is your deal?

    Henry, I not sure what your concern is about? You are in the market for a Mazda Protege or maybe a truck? Maybe you are looking for a 2000 left-over, maybe not? Maybe you are going to buy a car soon, maybe not? I not sure what you currently drive, you don't say? So why are you concerned with my post to jay82174, in regards to the merits of purchasing a new versus a left-over PRO-ES? I would be more than glad to explain to you my OPINION, on that subject. If,..... I understood your interest in my post to Jason.

    Respectfully;
    Larry
  • nikecarnikecar Posts: 460
    if you want higher price 5yrs then get the 01. If you want lower cost now. get the 00. The cars are only $500 apart for 95/96. compared to $750 difference in rebate now 00/01 plus the difference in the cost of the cars now (roughly $500 invoice per Edmunds). The newer car will be worth more, but as you can see, cost of the car favors the 00. The 01 is $500 more, but you get that $500 back when you sell it (based on 95/96 values carrying over to 04). But you get an extra $750 now for getting the 00.
  • hkchanhkchan Posts: 420
    protegextwo, it's always hard to read every post and remember what everyone else had said.

    1. My comment that I might buy a truck instead was meant as a joke and was meant for unmarkedcar. I hope I'll never own a truck, SUV or minivan. unmarkedcar kept trading in cars every six months to a year. He's owned, all new, a '97 Tercel, a '98 Civic DX 3-DR, a '00 Civic EX 4-DR, and '00 Nissan Frontier XE King Cab and, at least for now, a '01 Protege LX 2.0.

    2. I'm driving a '99 Civic EX 4-DR. I know how much a new '01 Protege ES 2.0 will cost me (S-Plan). Whether I'll actually buy a Protege depends on how much I'll get for my Civic.

    3. With regard to your post to jay82174, I'll try to summarize. You suggested to jay82174 to perhaps consider a '01 instead of a left-over '00. You implied that, for example, five years from now the '01 with 75,000 miles would be worth more than the '00 with 75,000 miles. (I agree with you)

    4. nikecar (post#296) seemed to disagree with that. He said, "second on protegextwo Feb 15, 2001 1:15pm mentioning a 00 with 75K and 01 with 75K. the 00 will be more apealling because in 5 yrs you won't tell them you had it 5 yrs. the buyer will see a 00 with the same lmiles as a 1 yr newer car. they will equate that with an extra yr of driving and still it has a lower per yr mileage. in 2005 the 00 will be 6yrs old (regardless of when bought) have the same miles as a 5 yr car".

    5. I disagreed with his logic/opinion/claim, but I wanted to make sure I understood what he meant exactly. I asked him to confirm that he actually felt that five years from now the '00 with 75,000 miles would be worth more than the '01 with 75,000 miles.

    6. He replied by saying,"I as a consumer, would take the 00 over the 01 with the same miles? especially if there wasn't a major body change. if it was a 00 vs 01 Civic, I'd take the 01 civic. but that's not the case here. I see a car that is 6 yrs with the same miles as one 5 yrs old. which means the 5yr was driven more. now they could have been bought the same day, but would you as a seller tell the person you bought it in 01? i wouldn, I'd say I bought it new, here's what I've driven. and depending what options and what depreciation is, that is what the cost its. As for trading it in in 5 yrs, You probably won't get much either way via a dealer so it be a wash that route."

    7. I was still confused and asked him to explain further. I also supplied trade-in values of a 5-year-old Protege and a 6-year-old Protege according to Kelly's Blue Book. Maybe you or others can join in.
  • Today I got mudguards installed at my local Mazda dealership after work

    Got a 35% discount and a free car wash... that should offset the $30 labour charge...

    Anywayz it looks great b/c it's discreat and it blends in with the car... hey maybe I should start taking some pics of the car...
    Almost forgot... going to the car show so I'll bring my sister's niffty digital camera along...
  • Protogetwo & Unmarked Car

    Well this is the case... the guy that sold me the car doesn't work there anymore... Heck I don't even know what happened to him. When I picked up the car I saw on the reciept that the sales was changed to the "House", meaning the dealership itself. A new guy was assigned to show me to the car and explain it's functions... He was pretty helpful although we only met him once.

    Also I've been getting letters and phone calls saying that anything I didn't like about the car would NOT go uncompromised... that's a good thing but it could be a ploy just to get them good marks... However I'm still a bit pissed off for making me wait an extra month when it was supposed to come much earlier... they said they threw in floor mats for my wait but when I checked on the brochure it says that ALL MODELS come standard with floormats... I don't know what kind of score I should give them b/c overall I have mixed feelings with these guys...
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    Thank you for explaining your posts. The bottom line, everyone needs to do what they think is right, for their own personal situation. I guess you can add and subtract a lot of variables and arrive at different decisions, lol! However, my suggestion to Jason was simple. IMHO, buying a left-over model, this late in the year might not be the BEST option. To elaborate, not all, but MOST cars are traded in on a newer car. Trades with more than 50,000 miles or older than three model years are wholesaled at auction. In reality, this factors out the "I factor" you eluded to in nikecar's post. Obviously, two like models with similar mileage, one a 2000 and the other a 2001 or going to sell for different amounts at auction. Therefore a new car dealer is going to allow more in trade for the 2001 model. I am not in the used car business, however a minimum of a $1,000 is in the ball park on a 4 or 5 year old car?

    *Check out http://www.kiplinger.com/php/2201" BTW, I feel these dollar values are closer to wholesale/auction/trade allowance values, then they are to retail values!

    *KIPLINGER'S RESALE VALUES:
    Mazda Protege ES....53%/39%
    *2year/4year depreciation value is indicated as a percentage of the original MSRP. Henry, assuming a MSRP on both the 2001 and 2000 PRO-ES is $15,000. Lets crunch the numbers. 2 year resale value.....$7,950
    4 year resale value.....$5,850
    ------
    $2,100

    Aprox. $1,050 per model year. So, in the year 2004, a 2001 model Mazda PRO-ES might have a trade allowance of $6,900 and a 2000 model year PRO-ES might have a trade allowance of $5,850. So if you factor in the $1,500 end of year customer incentives MAZDAUSA is allowing right now, it is getting pretty close to break even. I would recommend the 2001 PRO-ES if the new car budget would allow it. AGAIN, just my 2 cents!

    I am going to bed.
    Respectfully;
    Larry
  • Hi- I am a new Zoom..Zoom wanna be!

    Brief history: I currently in the market to replace my 1990 Honda Accord. After test driving several 1998/1999 versions I realized my 1990 is smaller than the newer version so went on to try the new Civics on for size and like this size vehicle better. Of course had to research other cars in in this class and so, just last night, began to look at the Protege. Wow! We went to the dealer but they were just closing so will have to wait until later today to test dirve. I have read all of the posts in this string and many in the Honda string and a few in the comparo string. You guys have me convinced and I can't wait to test drive! But I have a few questions:

    1) We did sit in the car and, just at first glance, found the rear seats to be a bit stiff. Can anyone comment on passenger comfort- this will be my commuter car (curvy back roads, no highway) but also the run around car with two kids, possibly the long distance car for family trips.

    2)I hate car shopping and will keep this car for a long time- possibly passing it on to my daughter in 7 years when she can drive- is the Protege reliable enough to think that long term?

    3) Any strong argument for the EX vs the LX2.0 or does it just come down to preferences? I will want the keyless entry, airconditioning, and ABS. So it looks like it comes down to the difference in brakes and tires and then the interior details of the guages and upholstery. I do not really like the white guages but could get used to them if the brakes and tires weigh in favor of the ES.

    4) Are there any other women in this forum?

    Thanks in advance for your feedback!
    Lynn
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    keep in mind that I haven't tested a 2001 model yet, all these opinions are based on experiences with my 2000 ES. But I would tend to think that newer models should mostly be improvements over the previous year, so here it goes:

    1) Coincidentally I was just sitting in my backseat today fixing some things, and I did notice that the back seats are a little firmer than the front seats. But for the 7 months that I've owned the car, I haven't heard anyone that sat in the back for an extended period of time complain, or moan and groan when they get out of the car, so I would assume it is relatively comfortable back there.

    2) Obviously I only have had the car for 7 months, and this is my 1st Mazda, so I can't give you an opinion based on years of experience. But for what it's worth, during the 7 months that had the car, barring the accident that I had with a deer, there was ZERO problem with the car. It still performs as if it just rolled off dealer's lot yesterday, maybe even better as the engine has now been broken in, much like how sneakers fit better after a few months of wearing. And from what I've read from people that owned Mazdas before, I would believe they're just as reliable as Hondas and Toyotas.

    3) '...it comes down to the difference in brakes and tires and then the interior details of the guages and upholstery'

    For brakes, personally I would always go for all disc brakes. My brother's 95 Neon has all disc brakes + ABS, and the difference in braking performance is definitely noticeable. All the small cars I tested last summer when I was shopping for my car had rear drum brakes, so I had no choice, oh well.

    As for tires, I would think that bigger wheels would result in better driving performance while sacrificing ride 'cushiness,', for a lack of better word. But definitely go for at least the 15" alloys so you can actually feel the 'zoom-zoom'. ES 2.0 has 16" ones, in case you don't know already

    And lastly, the interior upholstery of the 2001 seems a little bit odd to me, especially the white face gauges, but I guess it's just that I'm used to the colors in my 2000 ES. You probably won't notice it though, cuz you'll be too busy enjoying the zoom-zoom. (Mazda should pay me for each time that I help them spread their ad slogan)

    4) Not sure how many women actually posts in this discussion group, but curiously, most of the drivers that I've seen driving a '99-'00 Pro around my area (Northern VA) have been women, very interesting observation....

    hope these helps

    H
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    Lynn, please check these links to a web site called
    "Woman Motorist".

    http://www.womanmotorist.com/review/mazda/bl-mazda-protege-9902.shtml

    http://www.womanmotorist.com/review/mazda/bs-mazda-protege-9903.shtml

    On a personal note, after looking at the Honda Civic and the Toyota Corolla, I replaced my 91 Ford Escort with a 2000 Mazda ES-PRO last year. After owning this car for two weeks my wife was driving it more than I was! Two weeks later, she replaced her 94 Toyota Corolla with her own 2000 Mazda ES-PRO! So, we are a two Protege family! We have a 5 year son. We often take him and a couple of the neighborhood kids for trips to baseball games, soccer practice, amusement parks, etc. and there is plenty of room in the rear cabin! Lynn, the Mazda Protege has small sedan class leading 95 cubic feet of interior cabin space. Our five year old loves to zoom, zoom! We both have 18,000 miles on our ES-PRO's and not a single problem with them! I can't tell you,if this car is the best choice for your family, nevertheless I will tell you that in my opinion it IS the best value in the small econo-sport sedan class. Jumpmom, you would be the coolest MOM in the neighborhood zooming around in your 2001 Protege!

    Respectfully;
    Larry
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    Andy, floor mats tend to get bundled with other package features in the Mazda Protege. However, I am sure there are a many models delivered to the dealers without them, in that case they cost roughly $80 dollars. On a thin deal, $200 to $350 above dealer cost, you will be hard pressed to get the dealer to throw them in for free. Perhaps, try for dealer cost. But, it can't hurt to ask for them at no charge? It's kind of the sign of the times that auto manufactures don't include floor mats as standard equipment! Goodluck, I hope you pull the trigger on a Mazda Protege purchase.

    Martin, you seem very happy with your purchase, lol! Well, good for you, dude. I wish you many happy zoom zoom miles! BTW, you really got your PRO-ES loaded! Keep us updated on your ownership experiences.

    Dman, I wonder if you negotiated such a great deal, that you got your original sales person fired, hehe!!! Nonetheless, fill out your CS survey as you see fit, my friend. I have had very competent, knowledgeable service from the guys who sold me my last three cars at Lancaster Toyota Mazda. The deals were "mini-deals" for the sales people and I felt their help was worth more than the $50-$75 dollar commission they received from the Mazda Dealer. Rating the CS survey a %100 across the boards gave them an opportunity to get an extra incentive bonus at the end of the month. They MUST keep their CS surveys above a certain level to qualify. BTW, ALL manufactures do this to some degree or another. In all honesty, I really didn't care for the sales manager or the finance manager as people, however I didn't let that effect my rating the CS survey. Just my 2 cents, my sales guy Erin Mulroy worked his but off for me and he deserved the %100 CS survey score.

    Respectfully;
    Larry
  • hboydhboyd Posts: 98
    Thanks Larry. :)) My 1995 ES is sitting next to our 2001 ES in the garage.... and I swear that I see puddles of "water" under each tire!!! HEHEHEHE She knows that her departure from our family is imminent!! My wife thinks I'm crazy. Anybody want to give a 1995 ES a good home?

    Anyway, 2001 ES is flawless... no factory defects or dealer prep mistakes anywhere... even all tire pressures (32psi) measure as certified on the door label! No paint flaws anywhere (I had a small one in my '95 ES under the trunk sheetmetal -- obsured, of course). You can't use the spare tire compartment to store anything -- not even safety flares!! (16" spare donut is too big!!) hehehehehehe!!! They still use particle-board as the spare tire compartment cover...yukkk. However, they did upgrade the trunk compartment lining with soft, fuzzy material instead of hard plastic....thank you Mazda!! And, we have two (2) trip meters (I've never seen this feature on other small cars)!!

    By the way, the New 2001 Honda Civic EX does NOT have the following features compared to a similar '01 Protege ES: ashtray (or tiny trash recepticle), cig. lighter (or emergency fire starter), spoiler with LED stop lamps, 16" alloy wheels w/Dunlop tires (Honda has 15" Firestones), 4-wheel disc brakes, covered cup holders, noise-insulating material under hood, floormats, foglights, more HP/torque, longer warranty, should I continue?.... just my 2 cents.... sorry :)

    MARTIN
  • jk111jk111 Posts: 125
    yeah, the 2001 protege ES had pretty good make overs. I paid for the same amount for a 99 es but in june of 99, and now.. you guys are getting all these extra things for free.
    So far, no drivetrain problems what so ever. I just arrived at the big 30k yesterday. In a year a half I put down about 30k miles, and I didn't see any problems at all.
  • nikecarnikecar Posts: 460
    #1..

    I also noticed that too before we got our 00 ES. They were the hardest of the cars I drove. The bottom doesn't seem "butt" sculpted, but again, no complaints.. and since I drive!! heh heh heh.. But it definitely has the most leg room of the other cars..
  • ee73ee73 Posts: 4
    Wish it could be sooner, but I am waiting for my dealer to transfer my
    2001 ES in from another dealer. I am getting emerald mica, 5 speed,
    with ES premium pkg for $16001 ($200 over invoice minus $500 rebate).
    I'm taking $500 rebate plus 2.9% for 36 months instead of full $750
    rebate. I also test drove the Civic, Corolla, and Sentra, and I think the Protege definitely is the nicest of the bunch, especially considering the price. The Sentra would have been my second choice.
    The Protege will be sitting in the garage next to my 2000 MPV. I am having to sell my '91 MX-6 to make room for it. I have been very happy with my current two Mazdas, and look forward to the same from the Protege.
  • speedyptspeedypt Posts: 200
    I was also shocked by the news of Dale Earnhardt's death. It's a real loss to all race fans to lose one of the very best.

    Godspeed Dale. You will be missed.

    Regards,

    Pete
  • speedyptspeedypt Posts: 200
    Very positive and further validation of the Protege's strengths.


    http://carpoint.msn.com/Vip/Jedlicka/Mazda/Protege/2001.asp


    Regards,


    Pete

  • ...(Pat) told me that this group was interested in having a folder in the Edmunds.com Owner's Club. Please check out Mazda Protege Owners! Let me know in Meet the Members what you think and how I can help your club grow.

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  • I pay maybe $35 to get a durablend (half Synth- half natural Oil) change. It takes 3 minutes and I get my fluids toppped off and tire pressure checked. Since I have little free time I don't mind paying that much. I here the DuraBlend is a great motoroil. I've tried their Synthetic once ($50 a change) but didn't notice a difference.

    I bought those clear corners from procarpart.com. Installed them and they look great. My only gripe is that it looks like it may be difficult to the turn signals during the bright day. Aneyone else that have them notice? I'm thinking that replacing the orange bulbs with higher intensity ones would help- if I can find some.
    Any ideas?
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