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Mazda Protegé

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  • chicagoprochicagopro Posts: 1,009
    You'd better duck, Tim...

    Every West Virginian out there is getting ready to pelt you with their ultra no pad seats...
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    I'm taking my chances that the computer literacy rate there is below average.
  • chicagoprochicagopro Posts: 1,009
    Well, this is rapidly turning into Roadside Cafe...and since I've seen the kinds of things you folks talk about over there, I'm going to steer us delicately back on topic.

    This is the probably the most stupid question ever, but that never stopped me before.

    I've been reading here and there about people with 5-speeds using brakes to slow down versus letting the engine (transmission?) doing the work. Consensus seems to be that brakes are preferable.

    What about with an automatic transmission? I know that the two are fundamentally different, so maybe (probably) this doesn't even apply. But just in case it does, what's the verdict?

    --Dale
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    Yeah, the Cafe tends to be more like seaside pub. Bunch of sailors in there...hehehe.

    As far as engine braking, I tend to do it out of habit. I like to keep the engine wound up and ready to launch out of a turn or from a rolling stop.

    It didn't seem to have an adverse effect on engines or clutches. My last high-miler was my 87 Jetta that I sold in great condition with 187k miles. Since then I haven't kept my cars quite as long so I couldn't tell you if it hurt them.
  • pjd58pjd58 Posts: 366
    your banter is better than Abbott& Costello:)

    Dale: Anyone who uses their clutch to slow down their car is just looking for maintance problems alot sooner. Brakes are used to slow down a car, not the tranny. Only under extreme conditions...snowy roads, very steep down grades etc. do I ever use the clutch to slow down. Basically use the clutch to slow down your car only when you need to have control due to the hazardous road conditions. When I was younger some of my friends downshifted all the time and kept the clutch engaged at stop lights, and needed to replace their clutch often.

    With Auto trannys you can throw it into 2nd under hazardous conditions. The best advice is drive your car under control at all times and leave plenty of distance between you and the other bozos on the road.
    All of this is my .02 and only my opinion, some may disagree.

    Pjd58
  • boggseboggse Posts: 1,048
    Surprised me how quickly they came in. A little history. I ordered the Mazda MP3 rear speakers for my 2001 ES. Well, it turns out they are Kenwood eXcelon KFC-X698s. These go for $199 from Crutchfield. Mazda list price is $155. I got them from mazdadiscountparts.com for $138.20. I feel like I got very lucky. I thought I was going to get ripped off buying them through Mazda, but apparently I saved about $60! I'll post pics when I have them installed, probably Thursday.
  • boggseboggse Posts: 1,048
    They came with Mazda install instructions as well. Can anyone tell I am excited?!
  • chicagoprochicagopro Posts: 1,009
    Guys:

    Thanks for your prompt replies, but I'm still a little confused.

    So I'm in stop-and-go traffic, auto tranny, and cars up ahead are starting to slow down.

    Do I:

    A) Immediately begin a slow brake

    B) Take my foot off the gas and coast for as long as I can before gently braking

    Again, I know it's a stupid question, but that's me...pretty damned clueless:)

    And congrats on your speakers, Boggse.
  • gandalf17gandalf17 Posts: 348
    PJD58,

    Maybe i read your email wrong, but i don't understand what you mean when you refer to "using the clutch" to brake. If you are talking about utilizing the gears (downshifting with a manual) to slow down a car, I fail to see how that affects the clutch other than the second or so it takes to downshift. There is absolutely nothing wrong with downshifting to slow down a car. This is the whole concept of having a manual transmission as opposed to a computer controlled automatic.

    Look, i could write a lot here about how what you said made no sense, but you did say it was your opinion so i won't flame you to infinity and beyond. I'm thinking that maybe some of your friends blew out their clutches because of the way they shifted and utilized the clutch as opposed to downshifting....
  • pjd58pjd58 Posts: 366
    I pick B.

    Pjd58
  • gandalf17gandalf17 Posts: 348
    I've only ever driven one automatic, but I wouldn't recommend downshifting with it unless it is for an emergency situation.... Certainly not for everyday braking purposes.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    Tim,
    There are plenty of people who do say that it puts undue stress on the motor and clutch. I think it's a waste to argue it.

    Personally, I have not had a problem doing that and prefer the extra measure of caution and performance that it affords. As soon as I experience otherwise, I'll change my habits.
  • chicagoprochicagopro Posts: 1,009
    See, I knew I didn't explain it right...that's why I used that example in my follow-up post.

    Gandalf: I would never throw an automatic car into 2nd gear just to slow it down...I save 2nd for the snow.

    PJD: I've been trying to do a little more coasting vs. hitting the brake, but then I read that stuff about the manual transmission, and wondered if I was doing the right thing. But it seems I really am comparing apples and oranges, so I'll just be quiet now. Thanks for the feedback!

    --Dale
  • pjd58pjd58 Posts: 366
    Sorry to disagree! For every day driving down shifting isn't the best method to promote longer life of your clutch. For race car drivers and conditions I mentioned in my previous post downshifting is a great way to control your car. I've been driving a stick for almost 30 years and never needed a new clutch. I drove 5 speeds to have control when I wanted to upshift, not the computer do it for me. Like I said earlier, you and some may disagree. I'm talking about extending the life of your clutch. Everytime you depress than clutch it wears, just like the brakes...brakes are alot cheaper. I hate to beat a dead horse and pick nits, so I'm done. This MY opinion. Everyone has their own driving style, you drive the way it suits you.
    Pjd58
  • pjd58pjd58 Posts: 366
    you trouble maker:)))))
  • alternatoralternator Posts: 547
    Before buying my new 2002 Pro LX w/autoT I had owned five Cavaliers in a row ('84, '87, '89, '92 and '96 which is still my second car). I enjoyed them all, had no problems at all to speak of, '92 and '96 did not have rust problems of the earlier Cavs. I've always had autoT cars since the time I suffered a severe ankle sprain and realized I would absolutely not have been able to drive if I had had to use a clutch.

    So far I have admired the Protege's finish, interior arrangements, interior roominess, but it's too early for me to comment on driving qualities. I would, however, like to know whether or not all Pros with autoT jerk going from 1st to second and noticeably shift from 2nd to 3rd?

    My '96 Cavalier shifts from 1st to 2nd without being felt at all, and the shift from 2nd to 3rd is just barely noticeable.
  • gandalf17gandalf17 Posts: 348
    let's just say we agree to disagree....

    I will agree with you that harshly downshifting to slow down the car is very harsh on both the clutch and engine. I'm referring however to dropping into 2nd gear when you are in 4th or 5th doing 80 to 100km/hr....

    anyway, let's put this to rest.
  • pjd58pjd58 Posts: 366
    No problem! I understand your view. It's a dead issue.

    Pjd58
  • gandalf17gandalf17 Posts: 348
    and i understand yours.....to a degree. :)
  • chicagoprochicagopro Posts: 1,009
    ((((((()))))))
  • pjd58pjd58 Posts: 366
    LOL! Things would be very dull if everyone had the same viewpoints. No one was hostile, I respect Tim's opinion.

    By the way, How is your new windshield?
    Pjd58
  • chicagoprochicagopro Posts: 1,009
    My new windshield:

    Wind noise and rattles.

    Ain't life grand?

    :)
  • pjd58pjd58 Posts: 366
    I'd be on their front doorstep ASAP!

    Pjd58
  • chicagoprochicagopro Posts: 1,009
    Yeah, I know, I should be throwing bricks through their windows as we speak, but I've just got other things on my mind right now.

    I'll try to get around to it soon...maybe during my spring break next month.
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    When I drive auto, I use O/D and/or D2 to slow down w/out touching the brakes. Once you're under 15 km/h (9-10mph), you can downshift to D1 and have a COMPLETE stop w/out touching the brakes! It works well, but very few people seem to know how to use it. They just get ABS and jam the brakes while hoping the sky won't fall and they won't hit the car in fron of them.

    When I drive 5spd (once every 2 mths, but it wil chahge in May), sometimes I just leave it in gear and brake and put it in N when it's almost stopped and some other times I find myself downshifting, then braking (usually from high speeds to very slow speeds).

    Depends what I feel like. I don't think it will damage the clutch. You will damage it if you can't shift or attempt to race every car at a stop light. THAT will wear out your clutch faster.

    Dinu
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    In Canada we have the chrome trunk horizontal line for 02. We finally got the side colured mirrors for the ES for 02; previous 01 was black.

    In Canada the LX did not have pw, etc. Only the ES carries the power options (pw, pwr dr, remote keyless entry, pwr mirrors).

    We only have the base SE, mid-trim LX 2.0, the ES (w/out alloys - just 15" steel on Poortenzas, unless you opt for the GT package, w/out sunroof or spoiler).

    Does that help Meade?

    Dinu

    BTW: WE WILL BE #1!!!
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    to make sure we're #1 tomorrow!!!!!

    go Protege!
  • sunbyrnesunbyrne Posts: 210
    My uncle used to race and rebuild cars more or less for a living, and he's always maintained that if you know what you're doing when you downshift, it won't put undue wear on the clutch. But there's nothing wrong with popping the car into neutral and just braking, either.

    Personally, I do some of both. If I'm positive I'm going to have to come to a full stop and start from 1st gear anyway, I usually coast & brake. But if I'm coming up to a light that I think might change before I make it to a full stop, I'll downshift so I can accelerate out better.

    YMMV.
  • ...actually this just clasifies as more of an annoyance. When the car is cold (just started), I get a little bit of a jerk in first gear, sometimes second if my letting out the clutch is a little to slow. This happend after I was at a redlight on a very, very steep incline with a car behind me. I was to lazy to use the e-brake so I gunned it a little too hard causing a rather large slap (probably the cluth plate against the flywheel). I attribute this to the fact that I was starting to roll backwards a little. I dumped the clutch at about 3000 RPM. Moral of the story...ride the clutch or use the e-brake.

    By the way, you guys are crazy. Like 150 posts since late last night when I was on here. It takes forever just to skim over these!
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